4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The rise in antisemitic incidents across the globe cannot be justified or excused as a reaction to Israel's response to the Oct. 7 terror attacks.

It's an explanation, not a justification. An explanation you refuse to accept.

30 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It's an explanation, not a justification. An explanation you refuse to accept.

One man's "explanation" is another man's lame excuse for hatred that was already there but now feels much more free to be open about.

Why would jews be safer in a fascist dictatorship than in sir Kiers DEI woke socialist paradise? Any lefties here able to tackle this connundrum without the usual dummy spit?

Jew hating and violence against Jews comes from different political side.

In the west currently, the focus would be mainly with the Islamist variety, the leftists mostly young and ignorant blaming all Jews for genocide in Israel, the white nationalist (Nazi adjacent) variety, and "traditional" Christianity based (Jews killed Jesus accusations) type.

As far as between the US and the UK I would say the level of risk depends on the type of Jews and the more specific location in either country.

As I said before, I think the white nationalist Trump regime offering this is basically a very cynical TROLL move.

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Jew hating and violence against Jews comes from different political side.

In the west currently, the focus would be mainly with the Islamist variety, the leftists mostly young and ignorant blaming all Jews for genocide in Israel, the white nationalist (Nazi adjacent) variety, and "traditional" Christianity based (Jews killed Jesus accusations) type.

As far as between the US and the UK I would say the level of risk depends on the type of Jews and the more specific location in either country.

As I said before, I think the white nationalist Trump regime offering this is basically a very cynical TROLL move.

Has Israel had a better friend in the White House than Trump?

Outside of Jews, is there any faction in the US that supports Israel more than Christians?

A fair percentage of left-wing Jews hate Israel.

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

It's an explanation, not a justification. An explanation you refuse to accept.

I refuse to accept it because it's not a valid explanation. In the early days of Christianity and forward to the 1800's, antisemites "explained" their hatred of Jews because Jews were the killers of Christ. Jews were held responsible and treated horribly for something that had happened centuries earlier and thousands of miles away.

In the Middle Ages, Jews were blamed for poisoning wells, spreading the plague and murdering Christian children for their blood. Again, Jews weren't responsible for any of that, but false accusations were the "explanation" for the persecution.

The Nazis blamed Germany's defeat in WWI and the resulting devastation of the German economy on the Jews. That was the "explanation" given by many people inside and outside Germany for the rise of Nazism and ultimately, the Holocaust. In recent years, antisemitism has been explained by Jewish overrepresentation or dominance of the economy, media, politics, etc.

Of course, none of that is true. It is as equally invalid to "explain" the rise of antisemitism outside Israel by the actions of the Israeli government as it was 2,000 years ago to "explain" the persecution of Jews by the crucifixion of Jesus.

Jews in the U.K., Australia, Canada and other countries are in no way responsible for the actions of the Netanyahu government. Any "explanation" that suggests they are is simply old-fashioned antisemitism.

Whether we like it or not, Israel’s actions in Gaza is fueling antisemitism worldwide.

It IS the explanation, but not the justification.

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I refuse to accept it because it's not a valid explanation.

You rejecting the thoughts of others because you consider it invalid says a lot about you, not about others and/or their thought process.

18 hours ago, stevenl said:

It's an explanation, not a justification. An explanation you refuse to accept.

Exactly what I was going to write.

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Whether we like it or not, Israel’s actions in Gaza is fueling antisemitism worldwide.

It IS the explanation, but not the justification.

That is way too simple minded.

It's given cover to many people who already hated Jews to be much more public without shame about it and also violent.

If you don't believe me go to most any topic on youtube about Jewish or Israel issues and you will usually find that the vast majority of countless hate speech comments have NOTHING to do with the Gaza situation.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That is way too simple minded.

It's given cover to many people who already hated Jews to be much more public without shame about it and also violent.

If you don't believe me go to most any topic on youtube about Jewish or Israel issues and you will usually find that the vast majority of countless hate speech comments have NOTHING to do with the Gaza situation.

What other explanation for INCREASED antisemitism do you have?

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

What other explanation for INCREASED antisemitism do you have?

I'm saying the Jew hating was already there. It's always been with us. Gaza may be an "explanation" for people feeling it's OK to be more public even violent about it.

I hope you can understand the distinction.

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

What other explanation for INCREASED antisemitism do you have?

They now have an excuse to air their views .

They can now openly make their Anti semitic remarks and then just claim to "I was only being critical of the Israeli Government' ............after stating that Jews control the World .

Before Gza they had to keep their views private

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm saying the Jew hating was already there. It's always been with us. Gaza may be an "explanation" for people feeling it's OK to be more public even violent about it.

I hope you can understand the distinction.

It's not antisemitism.

Have you ever been discriminated against for being Jewish? In the US or anywhere.

Let's get soon things in the open.

US/Israeli Jews like Miriam Adelson and Jewish organisations used their power and money to ban student protests and get rid of heads at Penn and Colombia unis.

Canary Mission: How US uses a ‘hate group’ to target Palestine advocates

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/11/canary-mission-how-us-uses-a-hate-group-to-target-palestine-advocates

Jewish Voice for Peace unequivocally condemns Canary Mission, a malicious website ...

We reject the notion, propagated by Canary Mission and similar organizations, that there is anything shameful, hateful, or anti-Semitic about organizing for Palestinian rights on campus. Antisemitism and criticism of Israel are not the same, and Canary Mission targets students and faculty because they criticize Israel – not because they have expressed anti-Jewish bias. We especially emphasize that labeling support for the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement as “pro-terrorist” is a false assertion. And we commend the brave and principled students and faculty who continue to organize in the face of intimidation and repression.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2016/05/13/canary-mission/

This happened Wednesday night in NYC. A driver deliberately and repeatedly drove his car into the entrance to a building that houses a synagogue and the world headquarters of a Jewish religious group.

This type of unprovoked attack is occurring all too frequently in the U.S.

And this is from Tuesday in NYC:

Man arrested after rabbi attacked

on way to synagogue in Forest Hills

FOREST HILLS, Queens (WABC) -- A 32-year-old man was arrested after a rabbi was attacked on Tuesday afternoon in Queens.

Police say the victim was punched in his chest and face at Queens Boulevard and 71st Avenue by a man who also hurled antisemitic comments.

Rabbi David Shushan, who was on the way to synagogue at the time, was not injured and was able to take a picture of the suspect, who was quickly arrested at a nearby subway station.

https://abc7ny.com/post/nypd-says-man-attacked-rabbi-synagogue-forest-hills-queens/18493192/

It's an example of a manifestation of antisemitism unrelated to the Gaza conflict.

I agree there has always been antisemitism and maybe Gaza has emboldened some, but I think it’s also possible some have been created because of Gaza.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

I agree there has always been antisemitism and maybe Gaza has emboldened some, but I think it’s also possible some have been created because of Gaza.

Some what, antisemites?

Yes

10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yes

Yeah, I think you're right. They claim it's about Netanyahu and Israel, but at the endo if the day, it's the Jews they hate.

It’s wrong to conflate Jews and Israel.

Disliking Israel for what they have done in Gaza is acceptable but blaming Jews for it is entirely wrong.

14 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

What other explanation for INCREASED antisemitism do you have?

Jews have been used through the centuries as scapegoats by governments and ruling interests. The broad public often accepted this "explanation" and antisemitism became established.

As outsiders and only a tiny portion of the population of Western countries, Jews were convenient targets. Whatever was wrong in society could be blamed on Jews to divert attention from the real causes and the ruler's failure to deal with them.

Because of the almost unfathomable horror of the Holocaust, antisemitism went into decline after WWII, but is returning as generations change and people forget or fail to learn what their parents and grandparents knew of the Holocaust.

As others have written, the conflict in Gaza is being used as an excuse for the rise in antisemitism. The real reason is the world's oldest hatred is simply reasserting itself.

Just because we see more antisemitism, does not mean there is more antisemitism, it could be that it is just more socially acceptable.

I think many social groups of the Brits themselves could ask for asylum elsewhere, on considering how the UK treats it's own - for instance it's pensionners living abroad.

Antisemitism, Racism, Homophobia, Islamophobia. They are all different but the same.

It all boils down to ignorance and generalisations, typically amongst the poorly educated and where society is insular. Where there is integration, the problem tends to disappear.

Blacks rioting in the UK fuels racism. Muslims demanding Sharia Law in their communities feeds Islamophobia. Gays with events like Pride feeds homophobia. It's wrong for people to react this way, but many don't know any better.

Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, settlers (what a euphemistic word) killing Palestinians, torching their olive harvests and stealing their land fuels antisemitism. Jews in the UK sending money to support Israel, a pariah state. It all fuels antisemitism.

Some leaders and political parties feed this hate, other more moderate do the opposite.

44 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Antisemitism, Racism, Homophobia, Islamophobia. They are all different but the same.

It all boils down to ignorance and generalisations, typically amongst the poorly educated and where society is insular. Where there is integration, the problem tends to disappear.

Blacks rioting in the UK fuels racism. Muslims demanding Sharia Law in their communities feeds Islamophobia. Gays with events like Pride feeds homophobia. It's wrong for people to react this way, but many don't know any better.

Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, settlers (what a euphemistic word) killing Palestinians, torching their olive harvests and stealing their land fuels antisemitism. Jews in the UK sending money to support Israel, a pariah state. It all fuels antisemitism.

Some leaders and political parties feed this hate, other more moderate do the opposite.

What a hoot

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What a hoot

Ah, the intelligent reply. Enthralling!

59 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Antisemitism, Racism, Homophobia, Islamophobia. They are all different but the same.

How are they the same, and how are they different?

59 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

It all boils down to ignorance and generalisations, typically amongst the poorly educated and where society is insular. Where there is integration, the problem tends to disappear.

At least in the US, I see far more antisemitism and racism among the rich, "highly" educated than I do among the poor.

Are you saying there is much less antisemitism, racism, homophobia, and Islamophobia in the US because it is integrated than there is in say, Japan that is more insular?

59 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Blacks rioting in the UK fuels racism. Muslims demanding Sharia Law in their communities feeds Islamophobia. Gays with events like Pride feeds homophobia. It's wrong for people to react this way, but many don't know any better.

So if the citizenry knew better, they would just accept sharia law, blacks rioting and the promotion of homosexuality, because these things are for the greasted good?

59 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, settlers (what a euphemistic word) killing Palestinians, torching their olive harvests and stealing their land fuels antisemitism. Jews in the UK sending money to support Israel, a pariah state. It all fuels antisemitism.

What does leftists in the UK money to Hamas do?

59 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Some leaders and political parties feed this hate, other more moderate do the opposite.

A few examples?

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

As others have written, the conflict in Gaza is being used as an excuse for the rise in antisemitism. The real reason is the world's oldest hatred is simply reasserting itself.

By whom?

I'd suggest Israel's total destruction of Gaza, ethnic cleansing as well as in the West Bank, increase in illegal settlements, which the world sees, might just be a reason for increased hate against people who have links to the terrorist state, give money or other support to it, or even(in the USA) have voted for a president who is complicit in the genocide.

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How are they the same, and how are they different?

They are obviously different as they apply to different groups, unless we are talking about black, gay, jews who have dual religions; Judaism and Islam.

They are the same in so far as they all involve unjustified prejudice and all involve hating someone different to yourself.

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

At least in the US, I see far more antisemitism and racism among the rich, "highly" educated than I do among the poor.

Are you saying there is much less antisemitism, racism, homophobia, and Islamophobia in the US because it is integrated than there is in say, Japan that is more insular?

So if the citizenry knew better, they would just accept sharia law, blacks rioting and the promotion of homosexuality, because these things are for the greasted good?

What does leftists in the UK money to Hamas do?

A few examples?

I don't have any experience of Japan in anything other than doing business remotely with Japan. Regarding the rich, they do tend to be insular. It's not my experience that they are usually intelligent. In the UK we don't tend to have integrated neighbourhoods. Jews tend to live in communities with other Jews, Indians with other Indians and so on. If you live next door to a Jew on one side and an Indian on the other side, I think you are much less likely to be racist or antisemitic.

Why should anyone accept Sharia Law in a Western Country? It's contrary to our values. Likewise, non-Jews are not going to start going to synagogues. As for promotion of homosexuality, how can you promote it? it's not a choice. You should neither suppress nor promote it, but you should teach it at schools. Around 1 in 10 children are gay, they should be taught it's normal and nothing to be ashamed of.

The term leftist or rightist is meaningless to a British person. We don't consider politics relevant and we don't talk about it, it's an individual choice and makes no difference to anyone's personality. We tend to vary which party we vote for based on their manifesto and performance.