10 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Wrong direction.

Now I know why Trump is still alive.

The Grim Reaper is laughing too much to do its job.

9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

with anybody

We can agree, walz and kamala wasn’t the top team and they basically F up badly with many different things, so it was that bad that most common sense people actually believed it would be better with Trump. God sake heaven forgive the democrats for their mistakes

Didn't a little boat land in the Americas a few hundred years ago?

I sometimes think it would've been better if Plymouth Rock had landed on the Pilgrim Fathers rather than the other way around. :)

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

That Bloomberg link comes up empty.

20 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Wrong direction.

He fears no consequences. He's not up for re-election, and he wants to go out with a "bang," apparently. And, yes, he could well be dying, something I fear, because he will act even more rashly. An 80 year old man in the last major act of his life??? That is frightening.

Trump’s bizarre letter to Norway’s prime minister in full as President links Greenland threat to Nobel Prize snub | The Independent

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Paid democrat shill Harry Sisson as a news source😅🤣😂

Words fail me

Hope this helps, Sunny. Now, divert yourself out of this one!

https://www.reuters.com/world/live-trumps-letter-norway-ties-greenland-threat-nobel-snub-eu-weighs-response-2026-01-19/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jan/19/donald-trump-greenland-denmark-nobel-nato-europe-live-latest-news-updates

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-tells-norway-pm-he-no-longer-has-obligation-to-think-purely-of-peace-after-nobel-snub/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/norway-pm-store-says-us-trump-peace-prize-snub-for-greenland-ambitions/

1 minute ago, sharot724 said:

The ultimate shill.

10 minutes ago, John Drake said:

And, yes, he could well be dying, something I fear, because he will act even more rashly. An 80 year old man in the last major act of his life??? That is frightening.

The military is not allowed to be mindless. They are required to think and protect the Constitution, not the President's whims.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Hope this helps, Sunny. Now, divert yourself out of this one!

https://www.reuters.com/world/live-trumps-letter-norway-ties-greenland-threat-nobel-snub-eu-weighs-response-2026-01-19/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jan/19/donald-trump-greenland-denmark-nobel-nato-europe-live-latest-news-updates

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-tells-norway-pm-he-no-longer-has-obligation-to-think-purely-of-peace-after-nobel-snub/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/norway-pm-store-says-us-trump-peace-prize-snub-for-greenland-ambitions/

Well played, Sir..............

1 minute ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

The military is not allowed to be mindless. They are required to think and protect the Constitution, not the President's whims.

And the people around him, protecting him, his cabinet, they simply must act. This is no longer Trump the Troll, this is a madman. There is no exaggerating the threat he now holds. Declare him mentally unfit and remove him from office.

6 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Hope this helps, Sunny. Now, divert yourself out of this one!

https://www.reuters.com/world/live-trumps-letter-norway-ties-greenland-threat-nobel-snub-eu-weighs-response-2026-01-19/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jan/19/donald-trump-greenland-denmark-nobel-nato-europe-live-latest-news-updates

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-tells-norway-pm-he-no-longer-has-obligation-to-think-purely-of-peace-after-nobel-snub/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/norway-pm-store-says-us-trump-peace-prize-snub-for-greenland-ambitions/

Just print the darn letter:

The letter in full reads:

“Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

“Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.

“I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT”

10 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Well, at least they know how to defend the schoolchildren. That's something you're unable to, you t**t.

2 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Just print the darn letter:

The letter in full reads:

“Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

“Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.

“I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT”

Yep, the Dictator speaks.....😒

I feel sorry for the people of the U.S.A. ..........😔

I hope they do something about it soon..........😏

Every cloud has a silver lining.👍

1 minute ago, transam said:

Yep, the Dictator speaks.....😒

I feel sorry for the people of the U.S.A. ..........😔

I hope they do something about it soon..........😏

"I feel sorry for the people of the U.S.A."

If, by people of the USA, you mean the non-MAGA people then I agree. It's tough enough, even as a non-American, to wake up every day to another round of the never-ending s**t show.

Well, I'm saying it!

These days really are looking more and more like the 1930's only this time it's America & Trump rather than Germany & Hitler similar patterns behaviour and mistakes have and are emerging.

The 1930’s saw the rise of the authoritarian right resulting in fascism.

Similar patterns are arising today's in the rise of rise of nationalistic, populist movements (MAGA) in America and similar movements in Europe including the UK where political polarisation is similar to pre-WW2 conditions.

This includes the scapegoating of minorities or political opponents to create an "other" to fear (immigrants or lefties) as an example.

1918-1920 There was a flu pandemic that killed an estimated 50 million people 100 years later we had Covid and despite advancements in medicine resistance to mitigate its effect efforts remains similar with some countries and individuals ignoring sound medical advice or thinking they know better (Trump).

Rising prices stagnant real wages, worsening wealth inequality, and increased political polarisation often precede major societal upheavals.

Appeasement: One of the greatest lessons of the 1930s should be that appeasing an aggressor leads to war. It could easily be compared to Putins annexation of Crimea in 2014 and subsequent invasion of Ukraine or even Trump with his actions in Venezuela intimidating Canada and threatening to take Greenland.

Appeasement does not work if Trump is allowed to take Greenland against its will it will not stop there. When the people that have the power to actually do something and stop him finally wake up will it be too late?

Leaders often become self-impressed and filled with hubris arrogance and defiance and an inflated sense of self-importance combined with a belief in his own infallibility Its very obvious today in Trump usually it leads to overreach that triggers their downfall thought unfortunately not before they have inflicted considerable harm. Sometimes devastatingly so as with Hitler or Putin, Kim Jong Un? Trump?

Even though people and places change, the mistakes are often the same over-ambition, greed, and failing to learn from the past.

A famous philosopher once said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I have also seen secretary’s and senators defending Trump in his goal to take over Greenland, and it comes more and more to the surface that this is going to happen, if somebody do not stop him.

World Cup this year will be moved to Qatar, and well, USA takes Greenland, and and

Nato cheases to exists and we Join Euro treathy with Canada

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Nato cheases to exists and we Join Euro treathy with Canada

That is looking more and more likely every day.

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

If true, the only rational thing that can explain it is a brain tumor. Otherwise, he's just mad as a hatter.

He's been locked in with RFK for long periods recently.

Maybe brain worms are contagious?

Kennedy had been suffering from cognitive difficulties. Doctors initially suspected that he had a brain tumor, but it turned out to be a parasite infection – specifically, a pork tapeworm larva lodged in his brain.

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Nato cheases to exists and we Join Euro treathy with Canada

Or NATO kicks out America, invites Russia to help safeguard freedom and democracy.

36 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.

You don't wanna go there, Donald....

The exploration of North America by Norsemen began in the late 10th century. Voyages from Iceland reached Greenland and founded settlements along its western coast. Norse settlements on Greenland lasted almost 500 years, and the population peaked at around 2,000–3,000 people.

Time to Make America Greenland Again!!

Build a wall and deport those illegal pilgrims!

Good point. The whole Greenland debacle is happening because Trump is a thin-skinned narcissistic idiot. There's not some grand scheme behind it, just the result of a vile person's pitiful insecurities.

The MAGA echo chamber is eagerly waiting for instructions! 😂

3 minutes ago, candide said:

The MAGA echo chamber is eagerly waiting for instructions! 😂

Even they are shell-shocked by this story. Imagine trying to defend Trump's insane actions and statements!🤣

SCOTUS back to the bench tomorrow may issue a decision on tariffs.
Maybe they will get a spine — or realise that when Trump crowns himself Emperor, he’ll put them out of work too.
A ruling against tariffs will temporarily pause this clown show, until Trump inevitably looks for another legal contortion to bypass Congress, invoke ‘emergency’ powers, and carry on as if checks and balances were optional.

21 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Or NATO kicks out America, invites Russia to help safeguard freedom and democracy.

Nato is USA, weapon systems and also every weapon system have a country they are produced including Israel, and many other countries who have bought USA weapons and system, so basically USA is dependent on the rest of the allies and members.

The wild card is Turkey, where will they chose to go? Naturally for them either lean back and wait, or join Russia. They have a feather to pick with Israel, and would easily join Iran and the coalition with Russia. We will give up Ukraine, of course or maybe not? This is chess on a high level, where one move doesnt give the end result.

And AI says

Your scenario reads less like a prediction and more like a philosophical stress test of alliance logic—and that’s where it’s most interesting. I’ll respond in that spirit, not as policy advocacy or forecasting, but as an examination of structures, incentives, and illusions.

1. Dependency vs. Power: the NATO Paradox

NATO is often imagined as an extension of United States power, but philosophically it is closer to a distributed organism than a hierarchy.

Yes, the U.S. designs many of the weapon systems, but:

• Production is multinational

• Supply chains are political, not just industrial

• Interoperability creates mutual hostage-taking

So the U.S. is not merely a hegemon—it is entangled.

This resembles what philosophers of power call structural dependence: the strongest node is also the most constrained, because collapse anywhere propagates everywhere.

Power that relies on systems is power that cannot act alone.

This makes NATO less an empire and more a balance of fears.

2. Turkey as the “Liminal Actor”

Turkey is not a wild card by accident; it is one by design and history.

Philosophically, Turkey occupies a liminal position:

• Between East and West

• Between secular statehood and civilizational identity

• Between alliance loyalty and sovereign autonomy

It does not ask, “Who is right?”

It asks, “Where does leverage increase?”

Leaning back and waiting is not indecision—it is option preservation, a rational strategy in game theory and in statecraft.

Joining Russia outright would be costly:

• Economic exposure

• Military interoperability loss

• Loss of veto power inside NATO

More likely is what we already see: selective defiance without exit.

The power move is not choosing a side—it is forcing both sides to bid.

3. Israel, Iran, and Civilizational Fracture Lines

The tension with Israel is not merely diplomatic; it is symbolic.

Israel functions as a civilizational anchor for the West in the Middle East, while Turkey increasingly frames itself as a protector of an alternative moral order.

Aligning openly with Iran and Russia would be less about ideology and more about counter-balancing narratives:

• Resistance vs. dominance

• Multipolarity vs. rules-based order

But such coalitions are brittle. They are united more by what they oppose than by what they seek to build.

4. Ukraine and the Tragic Logic of Chess

Ukraine in your scenario becomes the classic tragic piece: not a pawn in the simplistic sense, but a square on which multiple strategies collide.

From a philosophical view:

• Giving up Ukraine would fracture the meaning of alliance commitments

• Holding Ukraine indefinitely drains cohesion and credibility

This is the tragedy of long games:

Every move preserves the game, but worsens the position.

Chess at this level is not about checkmate—it is about avoiding irreversible loss of legitimacy.

5. The Deeper Pattern: Multipolar Anxiety

What your scenario ultimately expresses is not strategy, but epochal anxiety.

We are moving from:

• Clear blocs → overlapping coalitions

• Ideological certainty → transactional alignment

• Military dominance → narrative and economic endurance

In such a world:

• No move “wins”

• Every move constrains future moves

• Stability comes not from strength, but from managed ambiguity

Closing Thought

Your intuition is correct:

This is not a game where outcomes are visible after one move.

Philosophically, it resembles late-stage chess, where:

• The board is crowded

• Material advantage matters less than tempo

• And the greatest risk is misreading what the game actually is

26 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Or NATO kicks out America, invites Russia to help safeguard freedom and democracy.

Thats not as far fetched as it first seems obviously not now but perhaps in a few generations/decades from now when Putins gone and maybe a new political regime in Russia its not inconceivable.

The only enemy/perceived enemy in Europe is Russia if that could change it would make sense perhaps Russia even joining the EU along with Turkey.