12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Blocking the traffic and yelling are not capital offences. When will the DOJ and FBI investigate the wanton killings.

Nah, if you carry a gun, you need to be cautious what environment you insert yourself into because the laws in many places will work against you for carrying a gun alone. Because a gun is always a threat.

Good luck to Alex Pretti's family, but the fact that he had a gun will work against him in court.

Even filming can be intrusive ... you cannot interfere with officers when you are filming.

Just now, save the frogs said:

Nah, if you carry a gun, you need to be cautious what environment you insert yourself into because the laws in many places will work against you for carrying a gun alone. Because a gun is always a threat.

Good luck to Alex Pretti's family, but the fact that he had a gun will work against him in court.

Even filming can be intrusive ... you cannot interfere with officers when you are filming.

Nonsense, he was permitted to carry a pistol, the pistol was not visible.....🙄

He was executed, stop making excuses, even the head of ICE has been fired by the Pressy.

You, and others, have been wrong all through these threads, stand down..........😬

Minnesota got robbed in the broad daylight

6 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

38 minutes ago, Presnock said:

I never claimed to be special forces of any type, the award is based on firing a weapon in boot camp solely, and to me all life is precious. War is hell for sure and anyone that has ever been involved in one and is sane would definitely agree with me. I am always amazed at comments made on this forum about my comments and some of the comments of others. It does show me just what some of you are like and glad I don't associate with any of you in person. It is also obvious to me that most of the people I trade barbs with, have been raised in a different world than that of mine and I thank the heavens for that. I do wish you well though.

This should better explain about your marksmanship award. en.wikipedia.org/Marksmanship_badges_(United_States).

I hope this post does not make a certain poster sick without upsetting him.

Just now, transam said:

You, and others, have been wrong all through these threads, stand down........

You think all the fraud allegations surrounding Minnesota are all BS?

Wait until the allegations come to light before discussing the specifics of the shooting.

Protesters should never have been there in the first place.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Minnesota got robbed in the broad daylight

Yes, so send in Ice to deport the Somali's. Except they're legal.
Or is there another reason Ice is there and your post is just a deflection?

Just now, save the frogs said:

You think all the fraud allegations surrounding Minnesota are all BS?

Wait until the allegations come to light before discussing the specifics of the shooting.

Protesters should never have been there in the first place.

Stop covering for the ICE executions, it's embarrassing...........😒

Even Trump has had to do a 180, being embarrassed....🙄

10 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

42 minutes ago, Presnock said:

I never claimed to be special forces of any type, the award is based on firing a weapon in boot camp solely, and to me all life is precious. War is hell for sure and anyone that has ever been involved in one and is sane would definitely agree with me. I am always amazed at comments made on this forum about my comments and some of the comments of others. It does show me just what some of you are like and glad I don't associate with any of you in person. It is also obvious to me that most of the people I trade barbs with, have been raised in a different world than that of mine and I thank the heavens for that. I do wish you well though.

This should further explain about your marksmanship award. en.wikipedia.org/Marksmanship_badges_(United_States)

I hope this post does not make a certain individual sick and also not upsetting him.

36 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I don't see madness but peaceful protesters excercising their 1st amendment rights. Leave it to the Right to instigate madness to peaceful protests.

At some point us good minded people are going to have to resort to neo-fascist tendencies to root out these saboteurs and insurrectionists and ensure they never get anywhere near power again. Hail Harris !

14 hours ago, Fact said:

Somehow, you are trying to paint those who are against enforcing immigration law as noble. Why is that? Are you pro-open borders and unlimited immigration?

What I am is an American, knowing our history including numerous times we have protested perceived injustice and took to the streets to RESIST. What I am for is the needed immigration policies/legislation that both parties have "kicked down the road" for decades because it is a difficult thing to address ... bringing us to the point of seeing reckless, authoritarian actions which I vehemently oppose. The majority want immigration addressed rationally not emotionally and thus oppose what actions are being taken, publicly stated as targeting retribution causing deaths.

37 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

No.

For one thing, they all have whistles.

Go buy a whistle on Lazada and stand on the street whistling all day and see if you don't get arrested or attacked by a mob of Thais. It's disturbing the peace.

Also, they are blocking and directing traffic as though they have taken over the city. And yelling in the faces of ICE officers, which is distracting them. All of these tactics are highly distracting to law enforcement.

This is a coordinated effort by paid agitators to destabilize Trump and the whole country.

"This is a coordinated effort by paid agitators to destabilize Trump and the whole country."

Surprise surprise! A conspiracy theory! 😅

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Surprise surprise! A conspiracy theory!

Yep, when the mainstream media version makes no sense, then the conspiracy theory will save you.

It's funny how instructions echoed on threads about this killing have evolved over time! 🤣

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.

After it became clear that those were pure lies from Trump's WH goons, instructions changed and became a mix of the following:

That he should not have a gun on him.

That he should have told them he had a hidden gun.

That it was the Dem's fault.

That it was the fault of paid protesters blowing whistles

etc....... 😄

41 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yep, when the mainstream media version makes no sense, then the conspiracy theory will save you.

And now the lame MSM conspiracy theory! 😅

4 minutes ago, candide said:

It's funny how instructions echoed on threads about this killing have evolved over time! 🤣

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.

After it became clear that those were pure lies from Trump's WH goons, instructions changed and became a mix of the following:

That he should not have a gun on him.

That he should have told them he had a hidden gun.

That it was the Dem's fault.

That it was the fault of paid protesters blowing whistles

etc....... 😄

https://spectator.org/peaceful-protestors-dont-carry-loaded-pistols/

But but but

1 minute ago, candide said:

It's funny how instructions echoed on threads about this killing have evolved over time! 🤣

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.

After it became clear that those were pure lies from Trump's WH goons, instructions changed and became a mix of the following:

That he should not have a gun on him.

That he should have told them he had a hidden gun.

That it was the Dem's fault.

That it was the fault of paid protesters blowing whistles

etc....... 😄

Today, I have asked the supporters of the ICE executions on here, about Trump doing a 180 on the killings, showing they were wrong.

Not one reply yet. One has even stated I am banned from a country.........🤣

Now, he won't tell me which country..........🤣

Yet they are still posting BS..........😆

We should have a BS forum for them to BS each other with.............🤪

(You know who you are)....

Just now, transam said:

Today, I have asked the supporters of the ICE executions on here, about Trump doing a 180 on the killings, showing they were wrong.

Not one reply yet. One has even stated I am banned from a country.........🤣

Now, he won't tell me which country..........🤣

Yet they are still posting BS..........😆

We should have a BS forum for them to BS each other with.............🤪

(You know who you are)....

Of course, they won't reply, at least until they receive new instructions! 😂

22 minutes ago, candide said:

It's funny how instructions echoed on threads about this killing have evolved over time! 🤣

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.

After it became clear that those were pure lies from Trump's WH goons, instructions changed and became a mix of the following:

That he should not have a gun on him.

That he should have told them he had a hidden gun.

That it was the Dem's fault.

That it was the fault of paid protesters blowing whistles

etc....... 😄

You also missed one of the lies.

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.
Then it was his gun accidentally discharged and the agents thought they were being shot at.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

You also missed one of the lies.

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.
Then it was his gun accidentally discharged and the agents thought they were being shot at.

My bad. I forgot this lie. It's difficult to remember all of them! 😆

43 minutes ago, candide said:

It's funny how instructions echoed on threads about this killing have evolved over time! 🤣

First it was that he was a terrorist trying to murder ICE agents.

Then that he was coming to them with a gun in his hand and they got afraid.

Then that he tried to take his gun while he was on the ground.

After it became clear that those were pure lies from Trump's WH goons, instructions changed and became a mix of the following:

That he should not have a gun on him.

That he should have told them he had a hidden gun.

That it was the Dem's fault.

That it was the fault of paid protesters blowing whistles

etc....... 😄

Oh, what a tangled web we weave........

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Oh, what a tangled web we weave........

You mean the Trump supporters obviously!

2 hours ago, candide said:

And now the lame MSM conspiracy theory! 😅

let's see how the situation unfolds ...

to be continued ...

in the meantime, don't forget to invert your food pyramid.

you've had it backasswards.

1 hour ago, candide said:

My bad. I forgot this lie. It's difficult to remember all of them! 😆

I bet you can't remember the framing that the Trump's administration and their minnows put on Alex Pretti. Here are the selected ones - domestic terrorist, insurrectionist, assassin, paid agitator, coordinated. These caustic portrayals of Alex Pretti has now back fired bigly and has become a larger political liability for Trump. Thanks to the brave citizens who captured the incidents on their handphone, their lies have been exposed. Noem will be fired as sacrificial lamb to try save Trump from more political damage. Homan will step in but don't expect the things will improved. He is just as as hard-core immigrants and bootlicker as Noem.

White House aide Stephen Miller was reportedly behind false claims that slain activist Alex Pretti was planning to "massacre" law enforcement when federal agents killed him in Minnesota on Saturday.

According to Axios, Miller ordered Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to make the claim about Pretti after he died.

"Everything I've done, I've done at the direction of the president and Stephen," Noem insisted in remarks that were reported by Axios.

One source told the publication that officers involved in the shooting "all shut up and got lawyers real quick, so there wasn't a lot of information."

Miller then directed DHS to assemble a statement, including information about Pretti's firearm.

"Stephen heard 'gun' and knew what the narrative would be: Pretti came to 'massacre' cops," one source pointed out.

Miller later asserted in a post on X that Pretti was an "assassin." The language was repeated by Noem and Border Patrol chief Greg Bovino.

Stephen Miller ordered Kristi Noem to say Alex Pretti wanted to 'massacre' ICE: report

The White House held a meeting with Noem on Monday, but Miller was not present.

"Noem has complained to others that she feels she's being hung out to dry over the episode and has made sure to emphasize she took direction from Miller and the president," Axios reported.

9 hours ago, Presnock said:

again, you quote lies too IMHO based on the news I see and read about. There have been and are current court cases ongoing if you care to check.

What have I said the is not true? What I said was:

Except that they are not being denied due process, that is a myth propagated by the left.

Every illegal alien that has an order of removal issued against them, has had all the due process they are entitled to.

Have there been a few mistakes? Sure. But by and large, ICE is acting legally and apprehensions and deportations are legal.y

Pepper-spraying and using force to deter "protesters" interfering with ICE is also legal, and any "protester" that touches an ICE officer has committed a felony.

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Order of removal based solely on narrow administrative warrant and not a judge warrant is against the 4th amendment protection. It is extrajudiciary actions often in violation of due process. Thought you know that but chose to obfuscate.

No it is not.

8 hours ago, newnative said:

Got it. Step 1. Violently throw the protester to the ground. Step 2. Note that the protester has 'touched' the agent during Step 1 and has committed a felony. Step 3. Arrest the protester for 'touching' the agent. Step 4. Murder anybody who comes to the aid of a protester violently thrown to the ground by an ICE agent, especially any nurses, who are trained to give aid.

No, step one is: Interfere with federal law enforcement.

8 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

You mean the Trump supporters obviously!

Yes.

I bet he was in "white guys for Harris"

Very poor life decisions Alex.

Two federal agents involved in the killing of Alex Pretti have been placed on leave.