16 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Are military coups always right wing, per se? eg. Chavez in Venezuela and Gaddafi in Libya. Carnationa Revolution in Portugal. Derg coup in Ethiopia. All engineered by army officers with what is regarded as a left wing agenda.

You're in danger of aligning non-Western political discource with Western conceits. Even in the West, there are startling differences in what constitutes "Left Wing" versus "Right Wing". Currently, in the US, partial nationalisation of tech firms is seen as a very right wing thing to do. But nationalisation of train firms (or more precisely, cancellation of licences) in the UK is seen as Left Wing. Free Trade in the UK is seen as a conservative policy, but in the US, state (federal) intervention in the market is seen as right wing. Its a mixed up world.

Topic is ....

To your reply, right wing vs left wing in say, G20 economies, is simply a divisionary tactic to keep people distracted. And there truly is usually just a 'one party state' disguised at having multiple parties you get to vote on. Minor difference or policy changes no matter what party is temporarily holding office.

That nothing really changes, in decades, sort of validates that idea. USA, the best example, as I've stated many times.

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

They give the people free healthcare and some land but not much else. You cannot work legally after 60 besides on your own farm,

Rubbish the bloke who cuts my hair is older than that as is our local undertaker, How old are some of the politicians we know and love?

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

To your reply, right wing vs left wing in say, G20 economies, is simply a divisionary tactic to keep people distracted. And there truly is usually just a 'one party state' disguised at having multiple parties you get to vote on. Minor difference or policy changes no matter what party is temporarily holding office.

That nothing really changes, in decades, sort of validates that idea. USA, the best example, as I've stated many times.

true , in the UK the two established left and right wing parties are commonly referred to as the Uni-party,

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Rubbish the bloke who cuts my hair is older than that as is our local undertaker, How old are some of the politicians we know and love?

I'm sure that's true, as many get away with many things here because of the brown envelopes and who you know. Some can work legally after 60 but it takes work to be able to stay in some jobs. I was meaning in general. The Thai Labor Protection Act has them stopping at 60, but like you said, it is possible to work after 60 but securing work permits and insurance is harder. I've always heard it's just harder to stay working after 60.......https://www.tilleke.com/insights/thailands-rules-on-retirement-and-severance-pay-for-workers-over-60/ I looked it up to clarify here also.......https://linksinternational.com/retirement-age-in-thailand/

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm sure that's true, as many get away with many things here because of the brown envelopes and who you know. Some can work legally after 60 but it takes work to be able to stay in some jobs. I was meaning in general. The Thai Labor Protection Act has them stopping at 60, but like you said, it is possible to work after 60 but securing work permits and insurance is harder. I've always heard it's just harder to stay working after 60.

certainly true regarding most if not all public sector appointments but I don't think it applies in the private sector, Obviously Thais don't need work permits but I don't know if they are age restricted for foreigners or not

I doubt my barber hands over any brown envelopes for the privilege

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

certainly true regarding most if not all public sector appointments but I don't think it applies in the private sector, Obviously Thais don't need work permits but I don't know if they are age restricted for foreigners or not

Age of foreigners is supposedly about the same, but the Visa changes when you hit certain ages depending on your country.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your studied ignorance on the history of fascism is one of your defining characteristics.

Yeah, when I started the topic about it you were conspicuously absent, preferring hit and run flaming off topic.

National Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Socialism are all the same in their essense. Want me to start a new topic for you to run and hide from?

11 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Thailand is an autocracy: The system is loaded against progressive parties, and the country’s political spectrum is skewed far to the right by global standards, making even moderate reforms appear radical.

Which begs the question why are there so many far left farangs there?

I think you're assuming all those posters are living in Thailand.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, when I started the topic about it you were conspicuously absent, preferring hit and run flaming off topic.

National Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Socialism are all the same in their essense. Want me to start a new topic for you to run and hide from?

Yep all commies at the core.

57 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think you're assuming all those posters are living in Thailand.

Why should it as many posters think it does not live in Thailand either!

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, when I started the topic about it you were conspicuously absent, preferring hit and run flaming off topic.

National Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Socialism are all the same in their essense. Want me to start a new topic for you to run and hide from?

I don’t sit like a coiled spring waiting for you to post.

And why would I? your studied ignorance on the history of fascism is always guaranteed to leak out of you.

No need to waste time for the next ignorant take on history and political ideologies, you’ll deliver it soon enough and without fail.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t sit like a coiled spring waiting for you to post.

And why would I? your studied ignorance on the history of fascism is always guaranteed to leak out of you.

No need to waste time for the next ignorant take on history and political ideologies, you’ll deliver it soon enough and without fail.

Fascism is centralised control ie left wing. You just confirmed you don't understand basic economics.

27 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Fascism is centralised control ie left wing. You just confirmed you don't understand basic economics.

It seems I did so without even mention economics.

I suggest you get out of your mum’s basement for some fresh air, you’re starting to confuse what you imagine folk said with what they did not say.

Could be a fungus or mold on the walls down there.

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Those of us in the middle

7 minutes ago, Sully_ said:

All this new members huh ;-)

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

National Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Socialism are all the same in their essense.

Hey mister AI poster check it out,

AI Overview

Communism, Fascism, and Socialism are

not the same in essence, though they share similarities in their rejection of liberal capitalism and use of totalitarian methods. They differ significantly in their core goals: Socialism/Communism seeks collective ownership and equality, while Fascism is a right-wing, ultranationalist ideology prioritizing the state and private-corporate power. 

Key Distinctions in Essence:

• Communism: Aims for a stateless, classless, moneyless society where all property is publicly owned, often achieved via revolution.

• Socialism: An economic system advocating for public or collective ownership of the means of production, often working within democratic systems (social democracy) to reduce inequality.

• Fascism: A far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist system that suppresses opposition, opposes class struggle, and supports private ownership, provided it serves the state's goals.

• Shared Traits: All three can utilize extreme state power, demand total sacrifice for "the public good," and reject liberal democracy.

• Fundamental Conflict: Fascists typically despise socialists/communists, viewing them as enemies, while both sides differ on the role of class vs. nation. 

While critics argue they all result in top-down control of life, they differ fundamentally on the aim of that control—socialism aims for equity, while fascism aims for national supremacy. 

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

All this new members huh ;-)

You think he is new LOL

6 minutes ago, Sully_ said:

Hey mister AI poster check it out,

AI Overview

Communism, Fascism, and Socialism are

not the same in essence, though they share similarities in their rejection of liberal capitalism and use of totalitarian methods. They differ significantly in their core goals: Socialism/Communism seeks collective ownership and equality, while Fascism is a right-wing, ultranationalist ideology prioritizing the state and private-corporate power. 

Key Distinctions in Essence:

• Communism: Aims for a stateless, classless, moneyless society where all property is publicly owned, often achieved via revolution.

• Socialism: An economic system advocating for public or collective ownership of the means of production, often working within democratic systems (social democracy) to reduce inequality.

• Fascism: A far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist system that suppresses opposition, opposes class struggle, and supports private ownership, provided it serves the state's goals.

• Shared Traits: All three can utilize extreme state power, demand total sacrifice for "the public good," and reject liberal democracy.

• Fundamental Conflict: Fascists typically despise socialists/communists, viewing them as enemies, while both sides differ on the role of class vs. nation. 

While critics argue they all result in top-down control of life, they differ fundamentally on the aim of that control—socialism aims for equity, while fascism aims for national supremacy. 

Start a topic or repsond to the one I started. I dare you LOL.

Bet I could make AI say whatever I want

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

All this new members huh ;-)

To be clear I was referring to Yagoda claiming middle :)

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Start a topic or repsond to the one I started. I dare you LOL.

Bet I could make AI say whatever I want

I literally typed in "Is Communism, Fascism, and Socialism the same in essence,

But OK chief

2 minutes ago, Sully_ said:

I literally typed in "Is Communism, Fascism, and Socialism the same in essence,

But OK chief

Start a topic, or are you scared like all the other ones who avoided the topic the last time.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Start a topic, or are you scared like all the other ones who avoided the topic the last time.

oh yeah, I'm terrified of the Don't tread on me "moderate" sophomoric guy

you got me!!!!!!

For sure they may be sometimes left or sometimes right but rarely on the straight path. But definately both sides do not do much to make visa issues less a bureaucratic hassle for the quality foreigners. No wonder those who can are either leaving or not comming back for their annual winter escapes.

1 minute ago, Sully_ said:

oh yeah, I'm terrified of the Don't tread on me "moderate" sophomoric guy

you got me!!!!!!

I know you are and thanks for admitting it. Let me know when you man up.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

I know you are and thanks for admitting it. Let me know when you man up.

K sophomoric guy

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It seems I did so without even mention economics.

I suggest you get out of your mum’s basement for some fresh air, you’re starting to confuse what you imagine folk said with what they did not say.

Could be a fungus or mold on the walls down there.

Why do lefties always talk about basements? Seems very strange.

2 hours ago, Sully_ said:

Hey mister AI poster check it out,

AI Overview

Communism, Fascism, and Socialism are

not the same in essence, though they share similarities in their rejection of liberal capitalism and use of totalitarian methods. They differ significantly in their core goals: Socialism/Communism seeks collective ownership and equality, while Fascism is a right-wing, ultranationalist ideology prioritizing the state and private-corporate power. 

Key Distinctions in Essence:

• Communism: Aims for a stateless, classless, moneyless society where all property is publicly owned, often achieved via revolution.

• Socialism: An economic system advocating for public or collective ownership of the means of production, often working within democratic systems (social democracy) to reduce inequality.

• Fascism: A far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist system that suppresses opposition, opposes class struggle, and supports private ownership, provided it serves the state's goals.

• Shared Traits: All three can utilize extreme state power, demand total sacrifice for "the public good," and reject liberal democracy.

• Fundamental Conflict: Fascists typically despise socialists/communists, viewing them as enemies, while both sides differ on the role of class vs. nation. 

While critics argue they all result in top-down control of life, they differ fundamentally on the aim of that control—socialism aims for equity, while fascism aims for national supremacy. 

Thats bs. Fascism is left wing. Mussolini was a socialist. AI is based on left wing google.

2 hours ago, Sully_ said:

Shared Traits: All three can utilize extreme state power, demand total sacrifice for "the public good,"

Which makes them left wing lol

Right wing is little state power

Your AI program is drunk

2 hours ago, Sully_ said:

Hey mister AI poster check it out,

AI Overview

Communism, Fascism, and Socialism are

not the same in essence, though they share similarities in their rejection of liberal capitalism and use of totalitarian methods. They differ significantly in their core goals: Socialism/Communism seeks collective ownership and equality, while Fascism is a right-wing, ultranationalist ideology prioritizing the state and private-corporate power. 

Key Distinctions in Essence:

• Communism: Aims for a stateless, classless, moneyless society where all property is publicly owned, often achieved via revolution.

• Socialism: An economic system advocating for public or collective ownership of the means of production, often working within democratic systems (social democracy) to reduce inequality.

• Fascism: A far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist system that suppresses opposition, opposes class struggle, and supports private ownership, provided it serves the state's goals.

• Shared Traits: All three can utilize extreme state power, demand total sacrifice for "the public good," and reject liberal democracy.

• Fundamental Conflict: Fascists typically despise socialists/communists, viewing them as enemies, while both sides differ on the role of class vs. nation. 

While critics argue they all result in top-down control of life, they differ fundamentally on the aim of that control—socialism aims for equity, while fascism aims for national supremacy. 

Benito Mussolini had several notable relationships with former socialists, both personally and politically, during his transformation from a socialist to a fascist dictator.

• Margherita Sarfatti, a Jewish intellectual and writer, was Mussolini’s domestic partner from 1911 to 1931 and played a key role in shaping early fascist ideology. She was a former socialist and a prominent figure in Italian cultural circles, often called the "Jewish Mother of Fascism."

• Filippo Corridoni and Sergio Panunzio, both former Italian socialists, broke with orthodox Marxism during World War I and supported Italy’s intervention in the war. They became early allies of Mussolini, contributing to the ideological shift toward revolutionary nationalism.

• Dino Grandi, a close confidant and later a leading fascist, was initially involved in socialist circles before joining Mussolini’s movement. He was a key figure in the Fascist Party’s formation and later opposed the Pact of Pacification in 1921.

• Italo Balbo, another prominent fascist leader, was influenced by nationalist socialist ideas and joined Mussolini’s movement after the war. He was a veteran of the Arditi, a paramilitary unit of World War I, and a strong advocate of the "trenchocracy" concept.

• Pietro Nenni, a leading socialist and later a key figure in the Italian Socialist Party, was a political opponent of Mussolini but maintained a complex relationship with former socialist figures who joined fascism.

24 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Thats bs. Fascism is left wing. Mussolini was a socialist. AI is based on left wing google.

AI is based on what's it was trained and scored on