1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

I misunderstood you and replied Sorry I see what you're getting at.

I stated you can't believe anything Israel says. They have lost all credibility.

Do you believe the leaked report ?

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Most Jews around the world disagree with their policies

You speak for Jewish folks?

Is there a reason I shouldn't?

17 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Notice they dont have a breakdown of combatants vs non combatants

And then breakdown the number of non-combatants killed because they were human shields. Absolutely no way the BBC or any of the leftist, by this I mean the majority of MSM, media will say or estimate what % of the 70,000 are Hamas compared to actual civilians killed. As for the civilians killed this tragedy rests firmly on the hands of Hamas. No October 7, no war.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

And then breakdown the number of non-combatants killed because they were human shields. Absolutely no way the BBC or any of the leftist, by this I mean the majority of MSM, media will say or estimate what % of the 70,000 are Hamas compared to actual civilians killed. As for the civilians killed this tragedy rests firmly on the hands of Hamas. No October 7, no war.

A fabulous analysis of a sad situation caused by the Islamicist hate. Once Iran is done, hopefully these lunatics will just fade away, or at least not be able to kill their own co-religionists to serve their murderous, hate filled ideology.

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

And then breakdown the number of non-combatants killed because they were human shields. Absolutely no way the BBC or any of the leftist, by this I mean the majority of MSM, media will say or estimate what % of the 70,000 are Hamas compared to actual civilians killed. As for the civilians killed this tragedy rests firmly on the hands of Hamas. No October 7, no war.

What do you mean by human shields? You can't mean like a kidnapper holding a hostage in front of him, rather I presume you're referring to hospitals and schools being used by Hamas.

But o course that didn't prevent Israel blowing them up, causing mass casualties and according to AI:

International Organisations & UN Assessments: Independent investigations by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have often found little to no evidence that civilians were forced to stay in areas to act as shields during specific mass-casualty events. UN reports have noted that while Hamas operates in civilian areas, this does not always meet the legal definition of "human shielding".

The lack of a single "human shield" count is due to the difficulty of verifying intent on the ground and the varying legal interpretations of what constitutes a human shield under International Humanitarian Law. 

Secondly, the numbers of civilian deaths could be much higher. There are many bodies still buried below rubble.

And then there are deaths from the collapse of the health system due to Israeli bombing, plus deaths from malnutrition caused by the Israeli blockade.

The final civilian death toll will probably be considerably higher than 70,000.

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

But o course that didn't prevent Israel blowing them up, causing mass casualties and according to AI:

Why don't you ask AI what is considered by the laws of war to be acceptable collateral damage. Also bear in mind that AI gathers information to come up with answers. This is an example from your post. "The final civilian death toll will probably be considerably higher than 70,000." The death toll figures are given by Hamas. The MSM run with these figures. AI like Google's Gemini gathers information from MSM.

32 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Why don't you ask AI what is considered by the laws of war to be acceptable collateral damage. Also bear in mind that AI gathers information to come up with answers. This is an example from your post. "The final civilian death toll will probably be considerably higher than 70,000." The death toll figures are given by Hamas. The MSM run with these figures. AI like Google's Gemini gathers information from MSM.

It's long been said by various sources that the civilian death toll is likely to be far higher than the counted 70,000 deaths because of bodies buried beneath rubble. Nobody needs Hamas to tell them that.

As mentioned in previous articles, Hamas figures for counted deaths are accepted by outside organisations as accurate.

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

It's long been said by various sources that the civilian death toll is likely to be far higher than the counted 70,000 deaths because of bodies buried beneath rubble. Nobody needs Hamas to tell them that.

As mentioned in previous articles, Hamas figures for counted deaths are accepted by outside organisations as accurate.

Ah! But the question is how many of those bodies are Hamas terrorists? As for outside organisations (such as the BBC which had a Hamas official's son narrate a documentary they made) they accept the figures given to them by Hamas authorities. These figures are not independently verified.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! But the question is how many of those bodies are Hamas terrorists? As for outside organisations (such as the BBC which had a Hamas official's son narrate a documentary they made) they accept the figures given to them by Hamas authorities. These figures are not independently verified.

The BBC is very cautious about Israel, as are the Labour Party, The Conservatives, The US media and its two main parties.

Every day on X I see atrocities committed on Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza by settlers and Israeli soldiers, but they're absent from mainstream media.

And they're not all fake AI. Often they're too depressing to watch.

AI-

The total reported death toll since 7 October 2023 stands at 71,769 as of 31 January 2026. In a significant policy shift, the Israeli military recently acknowledged that the 70,000 figure reported by Gaza's health authorities is broadly accurate. 

• Independent Analysis: Conflict trackers like ACLED and independent scholars estimate that approximately 80% to 83% of all fatalities are civilians, which would equate to roughly 57,000 to 60,000 civilian deaths.

• Israeli Official Figures: Before the recent ceasefire, Israel claimed to have killed 22,000 militants. Using this figure against the current total would suggest at least 49,000 of the dead were non-combatants.

• Indirect Deaths: These figures do not fully account for thousands of people believed to be missing under rubble (estimated at over 10,000) or those who have died due to starvation, disease, and lack of medical care. 

  how many civilians have died in gaza since october 2023 - Google Search

More civilians to add to the war dead.

GAZA, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Israeli airstrikes in Gaza killed at least 12 people, the Palestinian health ministry said, with children reported to be among the fatalities in the latest violence rattling a tenuous ceasefire.   

One airstrike hit an apartment in Gaza City killing  three children and two women, according to a family member and the official Palestinian news agency WAFA. Another airstrike hit a tent in Khan Younis, further south, according to WAFA.  

The Israeli military said it was looking into the report and did not immediately say whether it had carried out airstrikes in the enclave.

Video showed charred, blackened and destroyed walls at an apartment in a multi-storey building, and debris scattered inside it and outside on the Gaza City street.  

Israeli strikes kill 12 in Gaza, health ministry says

"We found my three little nieces in the street, they say ceasefire and all, what did those children do, what did we do?" said Samer al-Atbash, a relative.   

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

The BBC is very cautious about Israel, as are the Labour Party, The Conservatives, The US media and its two main parties.

Every day on X I see atrocities committed on Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza by settlers and Israeli soldiers, but they're absent from mainstream media.

And they're not all fake AI. Often they're too depressing to watch.

There is also violence attacks and murders in the UK that don't make headline news .

There in violence in many parts of the World that doesn't get reported on .

Jews and Muslims fighting in Israel is a way to common occurrence for every instance to be reported on

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Sorry, I see what you're getting at.

You think there are unnamed HAMAS fighters that died in that report?

What evidence of that do you have?

Nataural logic .

It stands to reason .

Say, 25 % of Gazan casaulties are Hamas .

An estimated 10 000 unidentified Gazian corpses under the rubble , 25 % of them would be Hamas = 2500 Hamas under the rubble .

9800

+2500

= 12300 Dead hamas

==

53 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Nataural logic .

It stands to reason .

Say, 25 % of Gazan casaulties are Hamas .

An estimated 10 000 unidentified Gazian corpses under the rubble , 25 % of them would be Hamas = 2500 Hamas under the rubble .

9800

+2500

= 12300 Dead hamas

==

I asked for evidence, not ridiculous theories.

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I asked for evidence, not ridiculous theories.

Israel cannot name all the Hamas deceased .

The 8900 dead Hamas members are just the people Israel could put a name to .

There are many others whom Israel doesn't know their name .

19 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It was discussed in the thread about it at the time .

I seem to recall that Israel named the known terrorists they killed .

Your side used those figures to claim that everyone else killed were innnocent women and children .

They didnt take into considertion that many of those Israel killed were also terrorists , it was just that Israel didn't know their names .

Israel named alleged terrorist killed.

Often one alleged terrorists and multiple innocent civilians slaughtered in a single attack.

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel cannot name all the Hamas deceased .

The 8900 dead Hamas members are just the people Israel could put a name to .

There are many others whom Israel doesn't know their name .

Your theory is not backed up by any facts

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Your theory is not backed up by any facts

The facts are that no one knows the figures .

No one knows how many are buried under the rubble or how many dead are in the tunnels .

You claim that all the dead are innocent woman and children , My opinion is that there are some unidentified Hamas in that group .

But, neither side can prove anything .

But its highly likely, almost definitely that there are many unidentified Hamas among the deceased