10 hours ago, impulse said:

It sounds like you're claiming minorities are too dumb to get ID?

Making this claim would be inherently racist, and I want to be clear that I do not hold racist beliefs.

48 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

Making this claim would be inherently racist, and I want to be clear that I do not hold racist beliefs.

Your first post shows you are racist and look DOWN on a lot of groups of people.

Goin back in time to the age old excuse,minorities can't facilitate getting a ID.

Its old but still relevant. as the interviewer contrasts the condescending, stereotypical assumptions from some people ,who treat black voters as helpless or incapable of navigating everyday systems like getting an ID with the straightforward reality from black voters themselves, who say "we have IDs, we know how to get them, stop assuming we're incompetent".4:00 clip

The UK is not a papier bitte culture. There is no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to overturn basic rights. In my country, at the last election, 0.000057% votes involved identity theft. Photo ID discriminates against those who don't drive, don't have a passport. 2% of the population don't have photo ID. Why should they be compelled to pay for photo ID in order to vote. That's a Poll Tax.

The 2023 regulation on photo ID has lead to absurdities, such as police officers being turned away from voting because a Warrant Card was not a government issued identity document. Nurses have been denied voting because hospital photo ID was not acceptable. Many people with driving licences have never moved house, and consequently have a perfectly legal paper licence. Why should they be disadvantaged for not moving home.

Its a policy that makes a mountain out of a molehill, and causes more harm to the democratic process than the good it professes to do.

Veteran conservative MP and former special forces trooper Sir David Davis is utterly correct. You cannot trust government to hold your data securely. Blair tried to bring in a scheme. The result; the government "lost" 20 million records. Losses of data contune to happen, such as the leaking of thousands of names of Afghans who assisted the British forces. It will be a monumental error, causing self inflicted damage, to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

No to national ID. No to photo ID to vote.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/papers-please-britain-id-cards-privacy-and-individual-rights-david-davis-5HjdDYC_2/

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/senior-tory-warns-dangerous-voter-id-plans-lack-evidence

Those in power pushing for these schemes are agents of dark agents who seek to do us harm. They energise useful idiots to push their policies.

19 hours ago, connda said:

Personally I believe it is a "no-brainer" that all citizens must prove their citizenship by supplying a national or state issued ID before they vote. Otherwise non-citizens can vote. The same logic could be used to say that drivers don't need driver licenses to drive, or non-citizens don't need passports to entry your country. Yet - some people actually believe that requiring ID to vote, or to enter a country, or to drive is "discriminatory."

Why?

My gf needs identification to vote and she has been voting. I asked her how would she feel if the pm and a part of the population started advocating for no voter identification and open borders letting Cambodians and Burmese raiding and freely crossing the border unchecked and getting government assistance. She said that she would be infuriated along with nearly all Thais.

6 hours ago, khunJam said:

My gf needs identification to vote and she has been voting. I asked her how would she feel if the pm and a part of the population started advocating for no voter identification and open borders letting Cambodians and Burmese raiding and freely crossing the border unchecked and getting government assistance. She said that she would be infuriated along with nearly all Thais.

Exactly,Thailand requires voters to be citizens and show ID (national card, passport, etc.) at the polling station, and it's no big deal because everyone has easy access to it. Yet some push the idea that requiring the same here is discriminatory or suppressive.

There's nothing noble about systemic progressive ideas,they start off with initiatives on humanity, no papers, no one is illegal, open borders, and global utopia, but end up undermining basic national sovereignty like secure elections. Insane how far left it stretches.

36 minutes ago, riclag said:

Exactly,Thailand requires voters to be citizens and show ID (national card, passport, etc.) at the polling station, and it's no big deal because everyone has easy access to it. Yet some push the idea that requiring the same here is discriminatory or suppressive.

Are you suggesting that the US introduces a national ID card? If so, yes that would be a solution that makes sure that everybody have easy access to identification. Otherwise, there really is no good reason to compare the rules in Thailand and the US.

7 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Are you suggesting that the US introduces a national ID card? If so, yes that would be a solution that makes sure that everybody have easy access to identification. Otherwise, there really is no good reason to compare the rules in Thailand and the US.

Drivers license, state ID (free in many cases).

No member here would be in Thailand or SE Asia without an ID

On 2/8/2026 at 6:01 PM, KhunLA said:

I voted yes of course ... BUT ... the USA does not have a national ID.

There is no requirement for any US citizen to apply for or carry any ID.

From day one I was required to present a picture ID to show I was the person on the registered voters list.

I never had a problem with that.

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Drivers license, state ID (free in many cases). ...No member here would be in Thailand or SE Asia without an ID

Or any other country. Having an ID is only an issue for the Trump haters, as the non delusional folks can think rationally.

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Drivers license, state ID (free in many cases).

No member here would be in Thailand or SE Asia without an ID

So, only US citizens that are in Thailand or SE should vote in US elections?

There is research that clearly concludes that even though it may me easy the get an ID, some groups of people are more likely not to have an ID. Also, it may be easy for a lot of people to get an ID, but for some it is close to impossible.

In addition, if you do not need an ID in your daily live, except for elections, then it is burdensome and perhaps expensive to get an ID just to vote; thus it is easier not to vote. Which is the main reason some politicians wants voter ID's. The ones lacking an ID is not voting for them and they prefer those people to stay at home.

A national ID card would solve those problems. You didn't say if you are for or against a national ID card in the US like the one they have in Thailand.

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Or any other country. Having an ID is only an issue for the Trump haters, as the non delusional folks can think rationally.

About thinking rationally, it is kinda funny that the people that wants ID for elections are, typical, the same people that are against a national ID card.

2 minutes ago, farang51 said:

some groups of people are more likely not to have an ID. Also, it may be easy for a lot of people to get an ID, but for some it is close to impossible.

Who did the research? How many people? Who are they? Why is it impossible?

3 minutes ago, farang51 said:

if you do not need an ID in your daily live, except for elections, then it is burdensome and perhaps expensive to get an ID just to vote

Most states give out free IDs to the poor. If you dont have one, you cant drive, get government benefits, get cable TV or internet, buy cold medicine, cash a check, buy booze, buy cigarettes, fly, buy a gun, take an interstate or intercity bus, or take Amtrac. That covers the daily life of anyone who might be a voter.

9 minutes ago, farang51 said:

A national ID card would solve those problems. You didn't say if you are for or against a national ID card in the US like the one they have in Thailand.

I have a Passport so it matters not to me one way or the other. I have no objection philosophically.

1 minute ago, farang51 said:

About thinking rationally, it is kinda funny that the people that wants ID for elections are, typical, the same people that are against a national ID card.

Not me, or anyone I know. Everybody, legal US citizen has some form of ID anyway. Near impossible to exist without one.

Can't have a job, housing, healthcare, DL, utilities without one, unless living in a sanctuary state. So except for those folks, I doubt very much if anyone opposes voter ID, or ID in general.

Simply a Dem talking point, as they are the only ones that benefit from no voter ID.

You need ID to get on a plane

You need ID to buy alcohol

You need ID to drive a car

You need ID to open a bank account

But you don't need ID to vote?

Obtaining an ID can be costly and requires an individual’s birth certificate, which may be burdensome. Proponents advocate for the law under the guise of preventing voter fraud and ensuring that only voter-eligible citizens partake in elections; however, individuals who lack government-issued identification are more likely to be younger, less educated, and impoverished, and—most notably—nonwhite. Black voters are more likely to lack acceptable photo IDs compared to white voters. Studies show that up to 25% of Black citizens may lack the required ID, compared to 8% of white citizens. Black individuals often face greater challenges in obtaining IDs due to factors like lack of transportation, shorter operating hours at DMVs in minority areas, and higher costs associated with obtaining necessary documents (e.g., birth certificates).

https://lawshun.com/article/how-do-voter-id-laws-affect-black-people

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/resources/human-rights/archive/why-minority-voters-have-lower-voter-turnout-analysis-restrictions/

Worse, voter fraud is a myth. Politicians at all levels of government have repeatedly, and falsely, claimed the 2016, 2018, and 2020 elections were marred by large numbers of people voting illegally. However, extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare, voter impersonation is virtually nonexistent, and many instances of alleged fraud are, in fact, mistakes by voters or administrators. The same is true for mail ballots, which were secure and essential to holding a safe election amid the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Drivers license, state ID (free in many cases).

No member here would be in Thailand or SE Asia without an ID

As pointed out before non-citizens can get drivers license so does not resolve the issue in the US. A free national ID would fix the problem but it is a bit silly when no one seems to be able to prove massive abuse currently.

Also the following webpage says "According to Analysis from the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement at the University of Maryland, nearly 21 million adult U.S. citizens do not have a current, non-expired driver's license.

That’s just under 9% of the U.S. citizen adult population."

https://mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2024/06/27/living-without-an-id--overcoming-barriers-

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13 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

No to national ID. No to photo ID to vote.

The answer and solution is to do what Australia did to remove all the fraud (and allegatins of fraud like in USA). Create a Federal electoral roll and manage it Federally by a semi-autonomous Agency. Only those people on the roll can vote - each voting location gets a copy of the roll for that Electorate/State. No need for ID or Photo to vote. But to get on the electoral roll, so that you can vote, you have to apply - and you may be required to provide evidence you are a Citizen.

20 minutes ago, biervoormij said:

Also the following webpage says "According to Analysis from the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement at the University of Maryland, nearly 21 million adult U.S. citizens do not have a current, non-expired driver's license.

How many of those folks dont have an ID

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

How many of those folks dont have an ID

What ID is accepted other than a Real ID and a Passport.

My father does not have valid ID any longer.

He does not drink so does not buy booze

He does not travel

He does not drive

He already has bank accounts and can deposit checks without an ID.

His doctor calls in his meds and I have picked them up without an ID.

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyBD said:

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federal law prohibits non citizens from voting in federal elections, and states like California require affirmation of citizenship on registration forms (though without proof in many cases).

Another words , be honest, be truthful on voting registrations, in a state like California that hides immigration status. And when is a state who hides immigration status going to vett ,scrutinize ,never.

https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/pdfs/voter-id-and-reg-requirements.pdf

No Proof of Citizenship Required for Registration: California relies solely on a self affirmation (a checkbox and signature under penalty of perjury) that the registrant is a U.S. citizen. No birth certificate.

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California does not require prospective voters to submit documentary proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers) to register to vote".

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Simply a Dem talking point, as they are the only ones that benefit from no voter ID.

Others have answered the point about living without an ID. Regarding the above: That is exactly the point; the Democrats benefit more from no voter ID as more of the Democrat voters lack an ID than do the GOP voters. That is why some people wants to make it harder to vote - which I find very undemocratic and un-American.

Mind you, I am talking about people that are citizens, non-citizens voting is extremely rare. It is a non-existing problem which countless research prove, like this one: https://electioninnovation.org/research/noncitizen-analysis/

Although it's around a 80/20 split between both parties I think it's a bad idea. Illegal aliens should have the right to vote. It's the only way they have of thanking the Democrats for letting them in and giving them tax payer dollars to support them.

5 hours ago, farang51 said:

About thinking rationally, it is kinda funny that the people that wants ID for elections are, typical, the same people that are against a national ID card.

There are states ID’s.

31 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Others have answered the point about living without an ID. Regarding the above: That is exactly the point; the Democrats benefit more from no voter ID as more of the Democrat voters lack an ID than do the GOP voters. That is why some people wants to make it harder to vote - which I find very undemocratic and un-American.

Mind you, I am talking about people that are citizens, non-citizens voting is extremely rare. It is a non-existing problem which countless research prove, like this one: https://electioninnovation.org/research/noncitizen-analysis/

Do you need an ID to vote in your part of the world?

5 hours ago, Purdey said:

Obtaining an ID can be costly and requires an individual’s birth certificate, which may be burdensome.

It’s not that hard at all.

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

Do you need an ID to vote in your part of the world?

Nothing we have to show when voting. We get a voting card in the mail. We bring that to the voting place and give it to the people there. They look up the name and ask for the birth day - maybe the whole social security number, I don't remember. Then we get the voting slip and go vote for whomever we want.

Very easy and no attempts to prevent us from voting by strange requirements.

Also, we do not use re-districting to let the politicians choose the voters instead of the voters choosing the politicians - another very undemocratic measure, which both parties in the US are happy to use.

Just now, farang51 said:

Nothing we have to show when voting. We get a voting card in the mail. We bring that to the voting place and give it to the people there. They look up the name and ask for the birth day - maybe the whole social security number, I don't remember. Then we get the voting slip and go vote for whomever we want.

Very easy and no attempts to prevent us from voting by strange requirements.

Also, we do not use re-districting to let the politicians choose the voters instead of the voters choosing the politicians - another very undemocratic measure, which both parties in the US are happy to use.

I've always provided an ID to vote. I'm not sure why it's a big deal

Right now the democrats in my home state and working to disenfranchise me in the name of Democracy.

Pass the Save Act and stop voter fraud and cheating.