In the UK, a monarchy, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has been arrested for illegal conduct.

In the US, the President has violated the constitution many, many times.

The Foreign Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8) prohibits any person holding office from accepting gifts, titles, or emoluments from foreign states without Congressional consent.

No action is taken.

What a contrast!

5 minutes ago, novanova said:

In the UK, a monarchy, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has been arrested for illegal conduct.

In the US, the President has violated the constitution many, many times.

The Foreign Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8) prohibits any person holding office from accepting gifts, titles, or emoluments from foreign states without Congressional consent.

No action is taken.

What a contrast!

Former Prince Andrew arrested over suspected misconduct in public office revealed in Epstein files

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-prince-andrew-arrested-epstein-files-suspected-misconduct-public-office/

Yep, what a contrast. He was arrested over "suspected" misconduct.

If Andrew is eventually charged with misconduct in public office, the offense carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison in Britain.

Yes, that is contrast. The USA, you have to be charged with a crime first.

13 minutes ago, TedG said:

Former Prince Andrew arrested over suspected misconduct in public office revealed in Epstein files

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-prince-andrew-arrested-epstein-files-suspected-misconduct-public-office/

Yep, what a contrast. He was arrested over "suspected" misconduct.

If Andrew is eventually charged with misconduct in public office, the offense carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison in Britain.

Yes, that is contrast. The USA, you have to be charged with a crime first.

I agree with you.

But it is fact that Trump has received many and varied financial gifts, benefits etc. These are illegal. That is fact.

In the UK, action is taken, even against the highest-placed individuals

The US is presently so corrupt that gross and numerous constitutional violations are ignored.

What a contrast!

7 minutes ago, novanova said:

I agree with you.

But it is fact that Trump has received many and varied financial gifts, benefits etc. These are illegal. That is fact.

In the UK, action is taken, even against the highest-placed individuals

The US is presently so corrupt that gross and numerous constitutional violations are ignored.

What a contrast!

Question for ya, what crime did Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor commit?

One country is a left wing, woke infested, white Christian and straight male hating failed state, so it's not really a valid comparison to whatever is happening in the US, except that it's all political on both sides of the Atlantic so there's no right and wrong.

12 hours ago, TedG said:

Question for ya, what crime did Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor commit?

13 hours ago, TedG said:

Question for ya, what crime did Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor commit?

That will (or won't) be established in due course, if there is enough evidence to bring him to trial.

In the US top politicians and super rich people are very rarely ever prosecuted for anything, and if they are, they are very rarely ever found guilty.

The US justice system is completely broken, and if you have enough money to throw at a defense you very rarely ever get convicted, unless there are very powerful people who have an ax to grind or you are very open and notorious in the commitment of your crimes.

When it comes to the justice system the US reminds one of a Banana Republic, especially under this new goon, where you have a Department of Justice, and a completely bought and paid for AG carrying out his petty, juvenile personal vendettas. Pam Bondi makes most long-term bar girls in Thailand look innocent, righteous, and absolutely pristine by comparison.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

In the US top politicians and super rich people are very rarely ever prosecuted for anything, and if they are, they are very rarely ever found guilty.

The US justice system is completely broken, and if you have enough money to throw at a defense you very rarely ever get convicted, unless there are very powerful people who have an ax to grind or you are very open and notorious in the commitment of your crimes.

When it comes to the justice system the US reminds one of a Banana Republic, especially under this new goon, where you have a Department of Justice, and a completely bought and paid for AG carrying out his petty, juvenile personal vendettas. Pam Bondi makes most long-term bar girls in Thailand look innocent, righteous, and absolutely pristine by comparison.

I agree with this.

I was living in NY when a remarkable thing happened - billionaire Leona Helmsley was jailed. My view at the time was that she was not jailed for tax evasion (which was the charge), but for a crime that truly horrified the ruling class - letting the cat out of the bag.

She had publicly announced that "Only the little people pay taxes". Criminal!

1 hour ago, novanova said:

I agree with this.

I was living in NY when a remarkable thing happened - billionaire Leona Helmsley was jailed. My view at the time was that she was not jailed for tax evasion (which was the charge), but for a crime that truly horrified the ruling class - letting the cat out of the bag.

She had publicly announced that "Only the little people pay taxes". Criminal!

I remember that, I was living in New York at that time. I have a tax attorney who tells me that very few of his clients that are worth over $5 million pay tax in the US. There are so many workarounds for people with wealth who have access to a very creative CPA and tax attorney. That's the very reason why the president doesn't pay any taxes.

9 hours ago, TedG said:

Question for ya, what crime did Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor commit?

Agree. And will only face POSSIBLE jail if found guilty.

See you in 2036!

Just now, novanova said:

Well that certainly does not answer Ted's question!

19 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

Well that certainly does not answer Ted's question!

The question was of course either stupid or a joke.

What crime A M-W committed can only be stated after a conviction.

17 hours ago, TedG said:

The USA, you have to be charged with a crime first.

I hope you are not a USA citizen. Because it is most common to be arrested prior to being formally charged. It is quite rare that a prosecutor has filed charges prior to arrest.

24 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I hope you are not a USA citizen. Because it is most common to be arrested prior to being formally charged. It is quite rare that a prosecutor has filed charges prior to arrest.

As would be expected. Most crimes are observed and handled by police. Only then does the prosecutor get involved.

Think: drunk driver runs over and kills pedestrian.

Are we really going to wait for the prosecutor's office to file charges before arresting the driver?

Contrast, you say?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2qqnxnwl7wo

18 hours ago, novanova said:

In the UK, a monarchy, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has been arrested for illegal conduct.

In the US, the President has violated the constitution many, many times.

The Foreign Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8) prohibits any person holding office from accepting gifts, titles, or emoluments from foreign states without Congressional consent.

No action is taken.

What a contrast!

One thing we should know by now is that US have forsaken Democracy. And honestly right now I reckon we'd be safer if we built a strong alliance with China. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, as well as the emerging democracies of Latin America should go down that same path. US must be isolated in the nuthouse, with Putin, ASAP.

At least signs of this happening must be evident by 2027.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Contrast, you say?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2qqnxnwl7wo

Convictions are not all one and the same.

Yes, Trump was found guilty of minor fraud. He's been doing petty theft and fraud all his life.

But I am talking about something else, as my opening post said.

Trump sells legislation for personal profit. He takes money from other countries in exchange for providing benefits. This is a violation of the constitution. In every other Western democracy, this would result in immediate loss of position and a federal prosecution.

That is the contrast.

23 hours ago, novanova said:

In the UK, a monarchy, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has been arrested for illegal conduct.

In the US, the President has violated the constitution many, many times.

The Foreign Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8) prohibits any person holding office from accepting gifts, titles, or emoluments from foreign states without Congressional consent.

No action is taken.

What a contrast!

Please show us how it applies, with case law if necessary

23 hours ago, TedG said:

Yep, what a contrast. He was arrested over "suspected" misconduct.

While Trump isn't arrested for proven violation of the constitution. What a contrast

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Please show us how it applies, with case law if necessary

To whom do I send the invoice for my time?

Or, you could stop being lazy and establish the facts yourself.

Anyway, start here:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/emoluments-clauses-explained

9 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

While Trump isn't arrested for proven violation of the constitution. What a contrast

Why are you replying to me? You said you blocked me.

9 minutes ago, novanova said:

To whom do I send the invoice for my time?

Or, you could stop being lazy and establish the facts yourself.

Anyway, start here:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/emoluments-clauses-explained

I dont read someone elses explanation for your thoughts, I assume you have them. Has any court found a violation yet?

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

In the US top politicians and super rich people are very rarely ever prosecuted for anything, and if they are, they are very rarely ever found guilty.

The US justice system is completely broken, and if you have enough money to throw at a defense you very rarely ever get convicted, unless there are very powerful people who have an ax to grind or you are very open and notorious in the commitment of your crimes.

When it comes to the justice system the US reminds one of a Banana Republic, especially under this new goon, where you have a Department of Justice, and a completely bought and paid for AG carrying out his petty, juvenile personal vendettas. Pam Bondi makes most long-term bar girls in Thailand look innocent, righteous, and absolutely pristine by comparison.

Was Trump not convicted of the bookkeeping mistakes?

In Europe, people revealed to be in the Epstein files lose their jobs and authorities start investigating them - no exception.

In the US of A they keep their jobs in the government.

14 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

While Trump isn't arrested for proven violation of the constitution. What a contrast

BTW...violation of the Constitution is pretty much a civil matter.

15 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

While Trump isn't arrested for proven violation of the constitution. What a contrast

Tell us what "proven" violation of the constitution was found against Trump, and what crime he should be arrested for

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Was Trump not convicted of the bookkeeping mistakes?

Donald J. Trump was found guilty by a jury in a criminal trial regarding hush money. A jury unanimously convicted him on May 30, 2024, of all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. These charges related to payments made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels to influence the 2016 presidential election, with the falsified records covering reimbursements to Michael Cohen.

I hope this clarifies your obvious confusion.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Tell us what "proven" violation of the constitution was found against Trump, and what crime he should be arrested for

All he can do is regurgitate nonsense. If he could think for himself, he would not have to block people.

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

You can block me as well, so you don't see my posts, but as a MAGA you're most likely too dumb for that.

You need to research a stop before making a stupid uninformed post. How does it feel to be owned by MAGA.

Violating the U.S. Constitution can be both a civil and a criminal matter, depending on the nature of the violation and who committed it. While victims often sue government officials in civil court for constitutional violations (

42 U.S.C. § 1983), willful violations of rights under color of law can also be prosecuted as federal crimes (18 U.S.C. § 242). 

The Maryland People's Law Library +4

Key details regarding constitutional violations:

• Civil Actions (42 U.S.C. § 1983): This federal law allows individuals to sue state or local officials for damages, injunctive relief, and attorney's fees when their constitutional rights (e.g., freedom of speech, due process) are violated.

• Criminal Actions (18 U.S.C. § 242): It is a federal crime for officials acting under "color of law" to willfully deprive someone of constitutional rights, potentially leading to prosecution.

• Federal Officials: Suing federal agents for constitutional violations is more limited, often relying on Bivens actions, whereas state/local officials are covered by Section 1983.

• Qualified Immunity: A major legal doctrine that often prevents government agents from being held personally liable in civil cases unless they violated "clearly established" law.

• Evidence Suppression: In criminal cases, evidence obtained through a constitutional violation (e.g., illegal search) may be excluded from court.