2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Agree but he's basically already gone. The end of woke progressivist parties in England is nigh.

Careful what you wish for. Zack Polanski and Rupert Lowe are lurking.

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's not going to be an all out war. It's going to be conducted by air and sea and won't last long. IMO it's going to happen any day now.

And then what happens?

I wonder if - and doubt that - Trump's plans for a post-conflict Iran are any more developed than Bush's plans were for a post-war Iraq. Maybe that's the reason Starmer wants nothing to do with this latest US middle Eastern adventure.

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

Don't tease us like that. Was this fellow found guilty or not guilty?

The judge said: "I took a view when I heard the evidence that the defendant had consumed alcohol to an extent which was excessive and having done so knowing he was also on antidepressants he brought the matter on himself and I am not minded to allow the application for defence costs."

His defence costs are expected to run into thousands of pounds.

The colonel 's solicitor, Look Chih Wang, issued a statement on his behalf, saying: "His behaviour was due to a temporary abnormality of function caused by long-term chronic stress, tsunami-related post-traumatic stress, sleep deprivation and a combination of the antidepressant Seroxat and alcohol.

"Col Roberts had been advised by his doctor that he could drink in moderation whilst taking Seroxat and has maintained his innocence throughout these proceedings.

"Although Col Roberts has been acquitted he nevertheless wishes to apologise to all those who were affected by his behaviour and offended by his remarks."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4644022.stm

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

Careful what you wish for. Zack Polanski and Rupert Lowe are lurking.

I'm going soft I quite like both of them !

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

When did Russia attack the UK?

Chemical weapons attack:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-cracks-down-on-russian-intelligence-agency-authorised-by-putin-to-target-skripals#:~:text=The%20report%20concludes%20that%20the,of%20the%20Chemical%20Weapons%20Convention.

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

When did Russia attack the UK?

My dad who served in the ww2 loved the soviets said we couldn't have won the war without them and he edned his war in Berlin in comms with the Royal Signals.

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I'm going soft I quite like both of them !

Is 'soft' the correct word?😉

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Chemical weapons attack:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-cracks-down-on-russian-intelligence-agency-authorised-by-putin-to-target-skripals#:~:text=The%20report%20concludes%20that%20the,of%20the%20Chemical%20Weapons%20Convention.

I said an attack on the UK, not in the UK.

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Is 'soft' the correct word?😉

Probably brain rot from spending too much time on social media - classic ex trot Red/Brown campist behaviour.

I had to get AI to decode what I had said !

You've spent way too much time in weird corners of the internet. You’re just another old radical who has gone so far left that you've looped back around to the right, and now you’re supporting dictators just to spite the UK and US.

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I said an attack on the UK, not in the UK.

A chemical weapons attack in the UK that killed a British citizen is attacks on the UK.

Your defense of Putin’s chemical weapons attack on the UK is astonishing.

Trump doesn't give a hoot about people dying in Iran.

He needs a distraction from Epstein.

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Not standing up, just afraid of Iranian retaliation. Also, Starmer needs to keep the support of his muslim and radical leftist party members or else he is gone.

Prime Minister David Cameron also blocked President Obama from using UK bases in 2012 and 2013 from strikes on Iran and Syria, following legal advice and a parliamentary vote respectively. Note Cameron ordered RAF strikes on Libya. Thatcherplaced restrictions on the US using British bases during strikes on Iran.

It would be unlawful for British bases to be used for a US attack on Iran if the underlying use of force were illegal under international law. Under the UN Charter, force is permitted only in self-defence against an actual or imminent armed attack or with UN Security Council authorisation; a preventive or pre-emptive strike lacking those conditions would breach Article 2(4). Under the International Law Commission’s Articles on State Responsibility, a State that knowingly aids or assists another State in committing an internationally wrongful act—such as an unlawful use of force—shares responsibility if its support is material to the act. Allowing US forces to launch or support an unlawful strike from UK territory would constitute such assistance. Because UK sovereignty requires explicit government consent for US operational use of bases, granting that consent in circumstances where the attack lacks a lawful basis could place the UK in breach of its international obligations and therefore be unlawful.

The US operations against Iran are not based on an imminent threat to the US or the West in general. Based on US government statements, the military build up is driven by a reaction to protests in Iran, and to influence the Iranians in negotiations over nuclear weapon development. Given that the US explicitly told the world that it had comprehensively and irrefutably degraded Iranian research capabilities beyond repair last year, it cannot be argued that the US faces an imminent nuclear attack by Iran, nor the UK. The main influencers of current events are the NCRI who are claiming, with little evidence, that Iran has acquired a capability in missiles of 3000km range. One remembers that it was Iraqi dissidents who produced fanciful reports on Iraq's capabilities, which strongly influenced the dossier Colin Powell presented to the UN as evidence of Iraq's intent and abilities.

During the Iran-Iraq war, the NCRI sided with Saddam Hussein. They are considered a front by many in the intelligence community of the MEK, a quasi Islamic-marxist terrorist movement originally founded to overthrow the Shah. Their leader, Massoud Rajavi is a strange character; he has banned marriage inside the organisation, enforced divorce, and insists on celibacy.

HMG is probably right to be extremely cautious before getting caught up in a scheme that potentially elevates such fruitloops into a position of power. We have been there before, and it cost us blood and treasure, irretrievably hurting the reputation of the country. Jaw Jaw not War War.

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's not going to be an all out war. It's going to be conducted by air and sea and won't last long. IMO it's going to happen any day now.

Over by Christmas one might suggest?

Now where have we heard that one before...

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

If true, good to see countries standing up to Trump.

He's not standing up to Trump, he's standing up for the Mullahs of Iran.

The left is ready to flush the middle east down the toilet if they think it will hurt Trump.

25 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left is ready to flush the middle east down the toilet if they think it will hurt Trump.

Interchange 'the left' and 'Trump' and it begs the question (which I asked of another poster): Can you explain what plans the US has for Iran post-conflict?

I am genuinely encouraged to see the Labour Party championing the values of Muslim democracy. This commitment not only fosters inclusivity but also instills pride among Muslims everywhere in Keir Starmer's leadership.

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

Interchange 'the left' and 'Trump' and it begs the question (which I asked of another poster): Can you explain what plans the US has for Iran post-conflict?

I think so. In what regard specifically?

We must unite in support of Iran.

1 hour ago, JAG said:

Over by Christmas one might suggest?

Now where have we heard that one before...

Christmas? 10 months? This isn't going to be a ground war if it happens and it sure seems like it's going to.

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Not standing up, just afraid of Iranian retaliation. Also, Starmer needs to keep the support of his muslim and radical leftist party members or else he is gone.

You mean the non-citizens who can't vote?

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not in favor of any nation arming and funding any military groups in the Middle East.

Or anywhere!

30 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

I am genuinely encouraged to see the Labour Party championing the values of Muslim democracy. This commitment not only fosters inclusivity but also instills pride among Muslims everywhere in Keir Starmer's leadership.

Salaam malekim brother, God's (PBUH) wil be done , inshallah but you forget God's little helper our brother Sadiq Khan Sultan of the London Caliphate under who's benevolent sword I live and prosper.

1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

You mean the non-citizens who can't vote?

Or anywhere!

Muslims are barred from voting in the UK?

32 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

We must unite in support of Iran.

We must - we really must.I like the cut of your hijab - the sisters ofthe Ummah will be desirous of your loins. Inshallah.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Muslims are barred from voting in the UK?

Obviously, non-citizens can't vote anywhere. Sheesh!

4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Obviously, non-citizens can't vote anywhere. Sheesh!

Muslims are not allowed to be citizens in the UK?

Non-citizens are allowed to vote in a number of just stictions in the US.

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think so. In what regard specifically?

Let's start with governance and security. Who will run the country post-conflict? What are the plans for democratic elections? How will security be maintained in the interim? What's the timetable for any transition? You know, the sort of detail that was completely overlooked when invading Iraq.

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

Let's start with governance and security. Who will run the country post-conflict?

The same people running it now, less the top leadership.

Who is running Venezuela now?

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

What are the plans for democratic elections?

There are none, why should there be?

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

How will security be maintained in the interim?

Security for who?

How is security being handled now?

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

What's the timetable for any transition?

What transition?

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

You know, the sort of detail that was completely overlooked when invading Iraq.

How do you know it was overlooked?

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

He's not standing up to Trump, he's standing up for the Mullahs of Iran.

Incorrect. HMG is acting in accordance with British Law. Are you encouraging that the government shouldn act illegally for foreign demands?

There is no evidence, as you intimate, that the United Kingdom has entered into a Mutual Defence Pact with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Such a charge is libelous, scurrilous, disgusting and something I expect frm a Communist sympathiser or a paid/unpaid stooeg of Russia or the People's Republic of China. People like you, with your cryptic communist tendancies, seek to undermine our way of life with your repetitive filth. You pretend to be conservative, but you are not. You are a snake in the grass.

5 hours ago, Wingate said:

Killing non-combatants? How many non-combatants were killed in Gaza ?

You might well ask yourself how many non-combatants i.e. civilians were killed in Gaza because they were used as human shields by the terrorists Hamas.