35 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

And you believe the Nones you might have gotten drunk with or around, in the military. EWS what Hegseth or Trump says!!! typical Yank gullible !!! that is one of the reasons you Yanks voted in a madman !!

Yanks aren't all gullible, the same as all those from your country aren't all gullible. Many didn't want Trump, along with many who voted for him not wanting him now, but this isn't all about Trump anyway.

Think of how many Iranians still like their leader, along with their new leader, who will likely follow suit with more genocide. Genocide which is a major reason the US gets involved in anything. Thinking these maniacal leaders should stay in power is stupidity, and wanting Americans to die is also stupid.

If it wasn't for Americans, you would likely not be living where you are, and if they lose, which they won't this would bring down hell on earth in all countries. Trump's decisions still have to be agreed to by others, in the long run especially. I'm thinking some here are okay with what these terrorists have done over the years, because it hasn't yet affected them. If it doesn't stop, eliminating all the crazy leaders and their protege is the only way the world will ever have peace, as they are prone to hit most anywhere at any time, as history has proven. America and Israel aren't the only targets of these loons

And for your last post, thinking all Americans are fat arrogant loudmouths you're wrong, guessing you really haven't met many besides the few you might have gotten drunk with or around while serving in the Navy. I lived there 62 years, and most of the people I met were good people, with a scattering of dickheads, much like all over.

As far as the OP, if America is going to join the ground battle, Iran is going to be hurting even more, as that ground battle comes with helicopters and planes to back them, Iran having no air. You have no air, you lose.

Go for it Emperor Trump. I expect this delusional moron will put US troops on the ground. Decades of conflict from Korea onwards and the US war-hawks learn nothing except that war makes them rich, so we are constantly at war. 👈 Reality!

Do it - send the Marines in to invade and put boots on the ground Mr. Trump. Let's see how that works out in a country the size of Western Europe with a population of 90M and a culture where martyrdom is revered. Iran is closer to a peer combatant than any of the third-world countries that the US usually preys on. Fool around, find out! And bring body-bags, lots of them.

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

thinking all Americans are fat arrogant loudmouths you're wrong, guessing you really haven't met many

While that's true - and I have worked with many educated, thoughtful, Americans - you can't deny how people/society in the United States (and perhaps other countries) have changed, and not for the better, in the last 20-30 years. Less patience, less propensity for the ability to listen to the views of others without shouting them down, quicker to anger, slower to understand. Some called it a reflection of the 'me' generation, and there's possibly that too.

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yanks aren't all gullible, the same as all those from your country aren't all gullible. Many didn't want Trump, along with many who voted for him not wanting him now, but this isn't all about Trump anyway.

Think of how many Iranians still like their leader, along with their new leader, who will likely follow suit with more genocide. Genocide which is a major reason the US gets involved in anything. Thinking these maniacal leaders should stay in power is stupidity, and wanting Americans to die is also stupid.

If it wasn't for Americans, you would likely not be living where you are, and if they lose, which they won't this would bring down hell on earth in all countries. Trump's decisions still have to be agreed to by others, in the long run especially. I'm thinking some here are okay with what these terrorists have done over the years, because it hasn't yet affected them. If it doesn't stop, eliminating all the crazy leaders and their protege is the only way the world will ever have peace, as they are prone to hit most anywhere at any time, as history has proven. America and Israel aren't the only targets of these loons

And for your last post, thinking all Americans are fat arrogant loudmouths you're wrong, guessing you really haven't met many besides the few you might have gotten drunk with or around while serving in the Navy. I lived there 62 years, and most of the people I met were good people, with a scattering of dickheads, much like all over.

As far as the OP, if America is going to join the ground battle, Iran is going to be hurting even more, as that ground battle comes with helicopters and planes to back them, Iran having no air. You have no air, you lose.

Typical Yank Full of Assumptions "we are the worlds police man " if the yanks 'Win"what ever that means it will be the first war they have won if many did not want trump WHY is he president ?? BS statement and i have met tooooooo many yanks in my time and i stand by that they are fat arrogant loudmouths and every one should conform to there way you yanks have nothing to be proud of, should be ashamed of what your madman is doing to the world

1 minute ago, ronnie50 said:

While that's true - and I have worked with many educated, thoughtful, Americans - you can't deny how people/society in the United States (and perhaps other countries) have changed, and not for the better, in the last 20-30 years. Less patience, less propensity for the ability to listen to the views of others without shouting them down, quicker to anger, slower to understand. Some called it a reflection of the 'me' generation, and there's possibly that too.

No denying life most everywhere has been degraded. Not being able to trust our own governments doesn't help. Power controls most everything, so we have a choice. Live in a country where we remain mostly anonymous to stay out of trouble, follow the rules as well as we can, and contributing, or living in a country like Iran where anytime you open your mouth can be your last, where fear controls your life, and all you can do is follow along or be eliminated.

So many forget the past and what America has done for other countries, and their eventual futures, and are quick to point out our mistakes.

This situation is a hard one. You either bow out and hope the outcome doesn't mean your own country will be targeted, or look at America, Israel and the other countries involved here as allies to fight terrorism, which never seems to go away. Who else is going to stop these maniacs? Yes, America has other motives besides fighting terrorism which includes money, but most of the Iranians themselves have been waiting for this regime to be stopped. Nuclear weapons are a likely reason they continue, but they killed many thousands of their own people without them, along with hundreds outside their country. If they wanted negotiation, they wouldn't be killing this many recently.

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Typical Yank Full of Assumptions "we are the worlds police man " if the yanks 'Win"what ever that means it will be the first war they have won if many did not want trump WHY is he president ?? BS statement and i have met tooooooo many yanks in my time and i stand by that they are fat arrogant loudmouths and every one should conform to there way you yanks have nothing to be proud of, should be ashamed of what your madman is doing to the world

If you think USA was trying to 'win' any wars since 1812, 1848, 1898, you'd be mistaken.

WW I & II, big ???? Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, M.E., etc etc on any continent, and it was just for corporate profits.

Let's not forget, NATO member countries+, participated or assisted in all the current conflicts of the 21st Century, along with a few right before 2000, with few exception. Yes, and y'all should be embarrassed.

Not sure which is worse, leader or the lap dog.

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Typical Yank Full of Assumptions "we are the worlds police man " if the yanks 'Win"what ever that means it will be the first war they have won if many did not want trump WHY is he president ?? BS statement and i have met tooooooo many yanks in my time and i stand by that they are fat arrogant loudmouths and every one should conform to there way you yanks have nothing to be proud of, should be ashamed of what your madman is doing to the world

You don't know enough Americans, let alone anyone, to assume we are typical Americans who are full of assumptions. It's not assuming sitting back decades seeing what's gone on. It's facts and experience by observation. Not getting all objectives might be considered not a win, but we surely killed a lot more of them, and pulled out because that strategy was only attrition and not enough to see all objectives to fruition.

Many did want Trump, the majority, so he was elected. if we didn't have such a weak other side, he wouldn't be.

Exaggerations are made here every day. You haven't met that many Yanks . That the ones you met were loudmouths was your personal observation but you didn't meet them in normal situations if you were serving in the Navy. Likely on leave in bars, where many loudmouths, after they drink a bit, are to be seen. What country are you from? Are there no loudmouths in bars there?

Americans have surely reasons to be proud. We have a free country where you can speak your mind and live in peace. Citizens rarely see crime committed, although it happens daily, just like every other country. We are the main reason the world is mostly living in peace.

This Middle East conflict has been going on a very long time, and it's about time someone tried to stop it instead of trying to negotiate with lunatics who's agenda is death to others, including their own people. The same for Myanmar, North Korea and a few African countries. Along with a few more living in fear if not the targeting of citizens. yet. Letting this continue unabated means it will continue, and spread over borders.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No denying life most everywhere has been degraded. Not being able to trust our own governments doesn't help. Power controls most everything, so we have a choice. Live in a country where we remain mostly anonymous to stay out of trouble, follow the rules as well as we can, and contributing, or living in a country like Iran where anytime you open your mouth can be your last, where fear controls your life, and all you can do is follow along or be eliminated.

So many forget the past and what America has done for other countries, and their eventual futures, and are quick to point out our mistakes.

This situation is a hard one. You either bow out and hope the outcome doesn't mean your own country will be targeted, or look at America, Israel and the other countries involved here as allies to fight terrorism, which never seems to go away. Who else is going to stop these maniacs? Yes, America has other motives besides fighting terrorism which includes money, but most of the Iranians themselves have been waiting for this regime to be stopped. Nuclear weapons are a likely reason they continue, but they killed many thousands of their own people without them, along with hundreds outside their country. If they wanted negotiation, they wouldn't be killing this many recently.

Post full of typical Yank BS

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

living in a country like Iran where anytime you open your mouth can be your last, where fear controls your life, and all you can do is follow along or be eliminated.

LOAD of Rubbish no proof !!

So many forget the past and what America has done for other countries, and their eventual futures, and are quick to point out our mistakes.

America has caused more damage to other country's by there interference

involved here as allies to fight terrorism, they are NOT fighting terrorism but MONEY AND OIL

Iranians themselves have been waiting for this regime to be stopped Assumption no proof there will be No uprising no evidence to show this

they killed many thousands of their own people, and America has done the same United States has committed genocide

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Americans have surely reasons to be proud. We have a free country where you can speak your mind and live in peace. Citizens rarely see crime committed, although it happens daily, just like every other country. We are the main reason the world is mostly living in peace.

Well all of this is debatable ,a free country?

Rarely see crime?

The main reason the world is living in peace?

Maybe crawl from under your rock and have a look around.

I thought the lying animal said it was as good as all done and dusted yesterday. But then again he did speak,so it must have been another lie coming out of the con's gob.

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

So many forget the past and what America has done for other countries, and their eventual futures, and are quick to point out our mistakes

While I understand your main points, and America's role in WWII was outstanding in the fight against Nazi/Fascism (less so for WWI), I think too many Americans (perhaps you too) have been sold into the lie that Israel needs to be protected by America at all costs. The countries you have fought in the last 25 years were all enemies of Israel, not enemies of America. Indeed, the State of Israel might have had a hand in 9/11. Don't forget they attacked and tried to sink the USS Liberty in the Eastern Med (while attacking with fake Egyptian markings). Taking the American fight to Afghanistan, Iraq and other 'unfriendly' countries near Israel cost the lives of millions of people and tens of thousands of US lives - and for what? What is their eventual future and is it thanks to America?

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

If you think USA was trying to 'win' any wars since 1812, 1848, 1898, you'd be mistaken.

WW I & II, big ???? Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, M.E., etc etc on any continent, and it was just for corporate profits.

Let's not forget, NATO member countries+, participated or assisted in all the current conflicts of the 21st Century, along with a few right before 2000, with few exception. Yes, and y'all should be embarrassed.

Not sure which is worse, leader or the lap dog.

need to look at the history WW1&2 won by the allies America joint the allies late in the day Korea Yanks LOST, Vietnam Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran lost

6 minutes ago, jvs said:

Well all of this is debatable ,a free country?

Rarely see crime?

The main reason the world is living in peace?

Maybe crawl from under your rock and have a look around.

one word ICE !!!!! the guy as you say living under a rock

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Post full of typical Yank BS

I could say the same thing, and add antisocial behavior begins with lumping all of one group into one category. If you or anyone else has a legitimate way to stop terrorism , different than what's going on now, let us hear it, as those 35,000 people would surely like to still be alive, and that's just the Iranian citizens. Lot of armchair quarterbacks that don't understand all of what goes into this conflict, and thata they have tried negotiations before and they don't always work.

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Sorry dont want to meet any Yanks !! visited the States many times when i was in the navy found the yanks fat arrogant loudmouth people !!

Fair play, each to their own. Have spent time there and met some great folks, slim too. Millions didn’t vote for the donkey and while millions did, the choice is so piss-poor as to be a foregone conclusion with the mess the previous administration made. If anything is to blame it is the ridiculous electoral system there. The Iranian regime is well past its sell by date, but while I don’t agree with what Trump and his warmongering sidekick are doing, it’s not the fault of the average American.

2 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

While I understand your main points, and America's role in WWII was outstanding in the fight against Nazi/Fascism (less so for WWI), I think too many Americans (perhaps you too) have been sold into the lie that Israel needs to be protected by America at all costs. The countries you have fought in the last 25 years were all enemies of Israel, not enemies of America. Indeed, the State of Israel might have had a hand in 9/11. Don't forget they attacked and tried to sink the USS Liberty in the Eastern Med (while attacking with fake Egyptian markings). Taking the American fight to Afghanistan, Iraq and other 'unfriendly' countries near Israel cost the lives of millions of people and tens of thousands of US lives - and for what? What is their eventual future and is it thanks to America?

No, I think Israel can handle a lot of this on their own, but being an ally of America, they felt they needed to join, just as they've done in those other places where tyranny was running rampant. Some places we shouldn't have interfered, as it didn't change much, but most of this involves terrorism, which does need to be eliminated. This is targeting innocents and not just a war between militaries.

12 minutes ago, jvs said:

Well all of this is debatable ,a free country?

Rarely see crime?

The main reason the world is living in peace?

Maybe crawl from under your rock and have a look around.

I lived there 62 years, sold guns, saw no real crime on the streets daily in many states, including working and visiting NYC, Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami and many other cities. Crime happens daily, here, there and everywhere, but most rarely if ever see it. Lot of land to cover and you can only be in one place at a time. If World War 2 wasn't won, there would be a quite different outcome worldwide. Don't assume, as many people know full well what goes on in their countries.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I think Israel can handle a lot of this on their own, but being an ally of America, they felt they needed to join, just as they've done in those other places where tyranny was running rampant. Some places we shouldn't have interfered, as it didn't change much, but most of this involves terrorism, which does need to be eliminated. This is targeting innocents and not just a war between militaries.

First off it was 3500 people Not 35000 get your facts right !! Why did your leader claim he attacked First this is NOT about terrorism but about oil and money

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Some places we shouldn't have interfered, as it didn't change much, but most of this involves terrorism, which does need to be eliminated. This is targeting innocents and not just a war between militaries.

In fact, most of the hostility and 'terrorism' aimed at America is a manifestation of America's hostility towards the countries surrounding Israel. If you look back at middle of last century, there was no hostility - it was America (and Britain) that stirred it up. Suez Crisis in Egypt, the US backed/instigated coup against Mohammad Mossadegh, the popularly elected democratic leader in Iran in the 1950s (and US installation of the evil Shah in his place) - others. Before that, most middle easterners probably couldn't have found USA on a map.

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

First off it was 3500 people Not 35000 get your facts right !! Why did your leader claim he attacked First this is NOT about terrorism but about oil and money

We can only go by what's reported, which of course can be biased. Thinking you know all the reason why a country attacks another is leaving out the facts..............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacre.

3 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Boots on the ground is a big mistake !! this is not like Iraq 70% of the people then wanted Saddam out , but Iran is different 90% want to kill Americans and i think they will get there chance !! You Yanks made a big mistake voting in a madman you will never get him out now !! you reap what you sow !!

Not sure where you got that lovely nugget of information from, It doesn't at all represent what I've been seeing on Tousi TV and others. Looks more like 90% are fed up with this lunaticregime machine-gunning protestors by the tens of thousands, and that army, police and IRGC members are deserting.

3 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Boots on the ground is a big mistake !! this is not like Iraq 70% of the people then wanted Saddam out , but Iran is different 90% want to kill Americans and i think they will get there chance !! You Yanks made a big mistake voting in a madman you will never get him out now !! you reap what you sow !!

Not sure where you got that lovely nugget of information from, It doesn't at all represent what I've been seeing on Tousi TV and others. Looks more like 90% are fed up with this lunatic regime machine-gunning protestors by the tens of thousands, and that army, police and IRGC members are deserting.

5 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

In fact, most of the hostility and 'terrorism' aimed at America is a manifestation of America's hostility towards the countries surrounding Israel. If you look back at middle of last century, there was no hostility - it was America (and Britain) that stirred it up. Suez Crisis in Egypt, the US backed/instigated coup against Mohammad Mossadegh, the popularly elected democratic leader in Iran in the 1950s (and US installation of the evil Shah in his place) - others. Before that, most middle easterners probably couldn't have found USA on a map.

True, as we do stick our noses in other's business a lot, although many times it's for legitimate reasons. A superpower does this, as America is all nations in one place, feeling they have to get involved to protect the citizens of those countries for that reason.

2 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

Maybe not. A MEU-Marine Expeditionary Unit deploys from a ship or helicopters to board ships or conduct amphibious assaults. . 2500 Marines are not going to spend the entire deployment on the ship. It will take 2 weeks to get the MEU from Japan to the ME. Le't see what they will do? Theres is a limited series on Netflix called "Marines". This program shows the traiinng cycle of the 31st MEU based out of Japan. One of the missions they are evauatled on his conducting a beach assault of an island. Conincidence?

Evaluation for conducting assaults on South China Sea islands.

3 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

I've been on the USS Tripoli 40 years ago as a tourist during a port call (the first USS Tripoli - an Iwo Jima class vessel). It was primarily a helicopter carrier. The newer one can accommodate some short takeoff/landing fixed wing aircraft. I don't see this as a big escalation. It would likely be the base for smaller, special ops with the Marines on board. I still remember the tour of the older ship with a young sailor as our guide. He was quite frank and revealing - he mentioned the occasional man overboard/disappearance of sailors at sea, and a general dislike of the Marine deployments on board. I don't think this newer vessel is that different from the original (an American-class ship). (Edited for clarity)

Almost got killed installing a cofferdam on that old thing lol that brings back memories lol…..anyway watch for deployments of the gator freighters.the new Tripoli is an LHA she’s a different animal than the original helicopter carrier.this one supports helos and has a belly full of assault craft she can launch out of her stern….she can project considerable power. I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of her attention!!

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Discuss the topic and not other poster.

52 minutes ago, Enoon said:

Evaluation for conducting assaults on South China Sea islands.

Every depolyment offers lessons for any and all future operations.

12 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Every depolyment offers lessons for any and all future operations.

So the US learned from Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan et al?? And I watched Hegseth deliver his "update" on TV and he was like a gleefully dumb child and he was appalling.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

I could say the same thing, and add antisocial behavior begins with lumping all of one group into one category. If you or anyone else has a legitimate way to stop terrorism , different than what's going on now, let us hear it, as those 35,000 people would surely like to still be alive, and that's just the Iranian citizens. Lot of armchair quarterbacks that don't understand all of what goes into this conflict, and thata they have tried negotiations before and they don't always work.

Define terrorism please?

As you know of course,one guys terrorists are another guys freedom fighters.

Don't fool yourself by pretending you know all about this conflict.

I doubt very much any one knows,especially the president of the US.

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

Define terrorism please?

As you know of course,one guys terrorists are another guys freedom fighters.

Don't fool yourself by pretending you know all about this conflict.

I doubt very much any one knows,especially the president of the US.

I never said I know all about this conflict. I, like most everyone else, including the soldiers, only know what we either see for ourselves or are told, and bias happens from everywhere. Both sides exaggerate for their own reasons, and of course some truth comes out eventually. The president is just another pawn , even though he's at the top, listening to many others before he makes a decision. This is how he became a billionaire, along with starting out as a millionaire from his dads money.

The conflict is about many things, dating back a very long time, but terrorism from Iran has been a problem for many countries, so it needs to be eradicated, with a democracy put in, allowing their people to have a say, at least as much as Americans and other western countries do now.

There are many reasons for wars, with minerals involved, trade, egos, terrorist megalomaniacs, religions, racism, territorial disputes, and other gains for profit. Here it's possible nuclear armament, ballistic missiles, hatred towards the west, and ousting a megalomaniac , hoping to have a different mind put in place, although it doesn't look that way yet.

Terrorism by definition is using violence or threats of violence, creating fear and intimidation instead of peace, targeting innocents, children and women, mainly against civilians and not armies. Some use religion as a reason, Selecting things and interpreting them different than how they're supposed to be. That this violence in God's thinking also. This is why some would call America a terrorist, but they aren't targeting civilians but military targets and capability, again for a few reasons but a main one is helping Iran's people have peace, and stopping the regime from targeting other countries that are against their thinking. That collateral damage happens in all wars is a reason some look at America as bad, even if they're trying to stop the exact same thing that country is doing to it's own people.

4 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Boots on the ground is a big mistake !! this is not like Iraq 70% of the people then wanted Saddam out , but Iran is different 90% want to kill Americans and i think they will get there chance !! You Yanks made a big mistake voting in a madman you will never get him out now !! you reap what you sow !!

What an absolute load of drivel.

Iran is actually one of the most pro-American populations in the Middle East.