We have demonized our allies, criticized them, humiliated them, insulted them, and now that we have distanced ourselves from them and made every attempt possible to destroy those valuable alliances which we spent 80 years building, we now want the same allies to help us in the Strait of Hormuz, because it's totally out of control, the US Navy won't and can't handle it, and we have completely blown this forever war on every level.

Please, pretty please, could you come and help us now? Please try to ignore the fact that we didn't consult with any of you on this war and the fact that we made no effort whatsoever to build a coalition, and please ignore all the insults we've slung in your direction for the last year or so.

We are truly the greatest nation on earth and you should be pleased to come to our aid now, after all this country is being led by the smartest, greatest, most handsome, and most visionary man in the world. Help Saint Donald.

IMHO, this whole situation has arisen because no EU NATO allies dared to intervene in Trumps actions, long before the fighting actually started. They simply let him get on with it, rather than forceably demanding that all NATO countries sit down and work out a plan for how to deal with Iran that involved all NATO countries, not just Trump doing what he wants.

I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

Quite appropriate given what time of year it is. The Ides of March are upon us.

"Et tu, UK?"

6 minutes ago, simon43 said:

IMHO, this whole situation has arisen because no EU NATO allies dared to intervene in Trumps actions, long before the fighting actually started. They simply let him get on with it, rather than forceably demanding that all NATO countries sit down and work out a plan for how to deal with Iran that involved all NATO countries, not just Trump doing what he wants.

I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

For an 'academic', that an 'interesting' way of viewing events. NATO is a defensive alliance, rather than supporter of any members 'war of choice'.

If you can show us the evidence that Iran attacked a member of NATO, I would be happy to peruse it.

Trump abused, disrespected and literally screwed his allies over. Payback is the bitch, not EU/NATO.

12 minutes ago, simon43 said:

IMHO, this whole situation has arisen because no EU NATO allies dared to intervene in Trumps actions, long before the fighting actually started. They simply let him get on with it, rather than forceably demanding that all NATO countries sit down and work out a plan for how to deal with Iran that involved all NATO countries, not just Trump doing what he wants.

I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

So it's NATO's fault trump is a megalomaniac narcissist.

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

The Yanks have made one hell of a mistake in electing Trump and yet they cannot see it, for them (the yanks) the worst is yet to come when the yanks try to get rid of him at the midterm or when his term ends, he will not go!!! Trump is a authoritarian leader ( Authoritarianism is a form of government or social structure characterized by the concentration of power in a leader or elite, demanding blind submission, restricting civil liberties, and suppressing opposition

. It differs from democracy by rejecting pluralism and often uses surveillance, media control, and violence to maintain control, though it may lack a fully developed ideology. ) The YANKS NEED TO OPEN THERE EYES

I think there are plenty of Yanks whose eyes are open, but that’s no longer enough. It will take more than simply being aware of how big a mistake Trump is. We’ll see how the midterms go, but you’re quite right: he will cheat and his allies will cheat, using whatever authoritarian tools they can get their mitts on, and in the end it will take more than just voting for the correct people to get him and his oligarch clique out. What that “more” might involve, I don’t want to speculate here.

 

Sure, I’m a Yank; in the last three presidential elections I voted for Clinton, then Biden, then Harris (though preferring candidates further to the left). I’ve been strongly critical of Trump since 2015. But so what? In the current circumstances, voting for the right people and being vocally critical does not suffice. And simply because of my US citizenship, simply because it’s my compatriots who have put this monster in office on two separate occasions, I feel complicit.

2 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

I think there are plenty of Yanks whose eyes are open, but that’s no longer enough. It will take more than simply being aware of how big a mistake Trump is. We’ll see how the midterms go, but you’re quite right: he will cheat and his allies will cheat, using whatever authoritarian tools they can get their mitts on, and in the end it will take more than just voting for the correct people to get him and his oligarch clique out. What that “more” might involve, I don’t want to speculate here.

 

Sure, I’m a Yank; in the last three presidential elections I voted for Clinton, then Biden, then Harris (though preferring candidates further to the left). I’ve been strongly critical of Trump since 2015. But so what? In the current circumstances, voting for the right people and being vocally critical does not suffice. And simply because of my US citizenship, simply because it’s my compatriots who have put this monster in office on two separate occasions, I feel complicit.

I feel sorry for you yanks!! but at the moment i can not see How you can get rid of him !! i am sorry to say but the USA is now a dictatorship ( A dictatorship is a form of government where absolute power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small elite group, operating without effective constitutional limitations or democratic processes

. Dictators typically maintain control through coercion, propaganda, suppression of opposition, and censorship.)

There will be a lot of Americans DEAD if this contiunes, i think this will be the only way you will get rid of him ?? the American way of Democity is in real danger !!

12 minutes ago, simon43 said:

IMHO, this whole situation has arisen because no EU NATO allies dared to intervene in Trumps actions, long before the fighting actually started. They simply let him get on with it, rather than forceably demanding that all NATO countries sit down and work out a plan for how to deal with Iran that involved all NATO countries, not just Trump doing what he wants.

I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

Let me lay down some simple facts.

The United States did not consult Nato before the joint attacks by USA and Israel on Iran. It is not a matter for Nato.

Article 5 is invoked when one member is attacked is considered an attack against all. US was not attacked. US initiated attacks on Iran.

Stupid remark about Nato surrendering to Islam.

15 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

I feel sorry for you yanks!! but at the moment i can not see How you can get rid of him !! i am sorry to say but the USA is now a dictatorship ( A dictatorship is a form of government where absolute power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small elite group, operating without effective constitutional limitations or democratic processes

. Dictators typically maintain control through coercion, propaganda, suppression of opposition, and censorship.)

There will be a lot of Americans DEAD if this contiunes, i think this will be the only way you will get rid of him ?? the American way of Democity is in real danger !!

Democracy in the US is based on the separation of powers, and we no longer have that in any functional sense. It may well be that, if Trump and compliant courts meddle in the midterm elections to the degree that people’s votes are disregarded or “disappeared” and the Republican Party continues to control the House and Senate against the will of the people, it will take further nondemocratic, or nonconstitutional, measures on the part of some ad hoc “Deep State” to correct the situation and put the country back on the right path.

 

US citizens are Homo sapiens just like people everywhere else in the world. The notion that we are exceptional in some way is ludicrous to say the least.

12 hours ago, simon43 said:

By refusing to support Trump, these EU countries have clearly demonstrated that they have capitulated to Islamic terrorists...

I would posit that they think Trump is no friend and deserves to go down with the ship.

He keeps saying the war is over. Maybe they believe he would never lie.

48 minutes ago, simon43 said:

IMHO, this whole situation has arisen because no EU NATO allies dared to intervene in Trumps actions, long before the fighting actually started. They simply let him get on with it, rather than forceably demanding that all NATO countries sit down and work out a plan for how to deal with Iran that involved all NATO countries, not just Trump doing what he wants.

I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

Blaming NATO for this?

That almost sounds like a maga idea.

It is not up to NATO to reel in trump.

It is up to the American people!

9 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Democracy in the US is based on the separation of powers, and we no longer have that in any functional sense. It may well be that, if Trump and compliant courts meddle in the midterm elections to the degree that people’s votes are disregarded or “disappeared” and the Republican Party continues to control the House and Senate against the will of the people, it will take further nondemocratic, or nonconstitutional, measures on the part of some ad hoc “Deep State” to correct the situation and put the country back on the right path.

 

US citizens are Homo sapiens just like people everywhere else in the world. The notion that we are exceptional in some way is ludicrous to say the least.

What you are saying it might come to April 12, 1861 which i would tend to agree with you !!!

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I would posit that they think Trump is no friend and deserves to go down with the ship.

He keeps saying the war is over. Maybe they believe he would never lie.

Since you mention lying. Trump is a pathological liar. He even has the audacity to lie that he spoke to a former president who he claimed confessed that he wish to do what Trump has done. All 4 previous Presidents came out strongly and denied speaking to Trump. This lying guy is the President of the world greatest superpower ! Jesus wept.

Iranian missiles/drones can destroy any ship in the area.

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Since you mention lying. Trump is a pathological liar. He even has the audacity to lie that he spoke to a former president who he claimed confessed that he wish to do what Trump has done. All 4 previous Presidents came out strongly and denied speaking to Trump. This lying guy is the President of the world greatest superpower ! Jesus wept.

Are you sure he didn't mean Ronald Reagan or George H.W. Bush? Have they come out yet to deny his claims?

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

IMHO, this whole situation has arisen because no EU NATO allies dared to intervene in Trumps actions, long before the fighting actually started. They simply let him get on with it, rather than forceably demanding that all NATO countries sit down and work out a plan for how to deal with Iran that involved all NATO countries, not just Trump doing what he wants.

I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

Grasping at straws...

The whole situation has arisen because Trump is a moron who made a swift decision without listening to his army's warnings! 🤣

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Since you mention lying. Trump is a pathological liar. He even has the audacity to lie that he spoke to a former president who he claimed confessed that he wish to do what Trump has done. All 4 previous Presidents came out strongly and denied speaking to Trump. This lying guy is the President of the world greatest superpower ! Jesus wept.

Would agree he is a Total liar but as far as saying the "world greatest superpower" I think you are Stretching it a bit !! since its getting its arse kick at the moment

I think he says it perfectly well with authority. Finnish president Alexander Stubb. We need more of his kind.

Blomberg

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1815644209839434/?fs=e&fs=e

3 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Hang your head in shame Yanks, you have elected in a moron the world is laughing at you!!!!

Yes. And it is.

But it’s slowly becoming apparent even to the Stupids that they made a mistake. If there is any common sense left for the MAGAs, they will undo the insanity that they have unleashed on the world, not just on America.

3 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Yes. And it is.

But it’s slowly becoming apparent even to the Stupids that they made a mistake. If there is any common sense left for the MAGAs, they will undo the insanity that they have unleashed on the world, not just on America.

Yes agree but the question is How can they get rid of him !!!! he will not go without a fight and he still has a lot of powefull people with him

2 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Democracy in the US is based on the separation of powers, and we no longer have that in any functional sense. It may well be that, if Trump and compliant courts meddle in the midterm elections to the degree that people’s votes are disregarded or “disappeared” and the Republican Party continues to control the House and Senate against the will of the people, it will take further nondemocratic, or nonconstitutional, measures on the part of some ad hoc “Deep State” to correct the situation and put the country back on the right path.

 

US citizens are Homo sapiens just like people everywhere else in the world. The notion that we are exceptional in some way is ludicrous to say the least.

That is absolutely correct and the whole concept of American exceptionalism is about as ludicrous as the Jews feeling like they are the chosen ones.

We are all basically the same, other than the fact that people with the wealth get special privileges, and the poor people continue to suffer.

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Would agree he is a Total liar but as far as saying the "world greatest superpower" I think you are Stretching it a bit !! since its getting its arse kick at the moment

I think sometimes people confuse the fact that the US has the largest military budget in the world, with some sort of notion that America is the most powerful country in the world.

It is quite obvious now in Iran that that's not the case, and one must never forget the fact that though America has been engaged in over a hundred incursions, attacks, and wars since the end of World War II, it has not won a single one in 81 years. So despite the size of the military the US seems to have a very dumb military, with the worst SEC DEF in its entire history, very subpar politicians, and very poor intelligence.

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Yes agree but the question is How can they get rid of him !!!! he will not go without a fight and he still has a lot of powefull people with him

I can think of one sure way. 🙂
Two if we're not picky.

18 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

How embarrising this is for the Yanks!! there president asking and threating NATO begging for help !!! "we dont need help we have won the war " so far i belive no takers !!

If the EU and UK wants the middle east oil, they can go and get it. USA is saying they can. It is the UK and EU who are suffering the since they are dependent on oil and gas imports.

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think sometimes people confuse the fact that the US has the largest military budget in the world, with some sort of notion that America is the most powerful country in the world.

It is quite obvious now in Iran that that's not the case, and one must never forget the fact that though America has been engaged in over a hundred incursions, attacks, and wars since the end of World War II, it has not won a single one in 81 years. So despite the size of the military the US seems to have a very dumb military, with the worst SEC DEF in its entire history, very subpar politicians, and very poor intelligence.

That looks like a totally different mindset compared to your other post.

Do you agree that the US was wrong in attacking Iran?

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

If the EU and UK wants the middle east oil, they can go and get it. USA is saying they can. It is the UK and EU who are suffering the since they are dependent on oil and gas imports.

Oh finally maga is slowly waking up!

Yes Iran has already said all countries except Israel and the US will get free passage if the pay for oil

in Chinese currency.

Typical maga victim blaming is what you are doing,trump ffed up!

Can you agree he did or do you think it was another stable genius idea?

3 hours ago, simon43 said:

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I guess a number of NATO countries have already surrendered to Islam and are happy to be Iran's bitch......

So when Trump signed the very bad contract with the Taliban to leave Afghanistan during his first term, he surrendered to Islam and was happy to be Afghanistan's bitch?

And since he does not do anything against North Korea, he surrendered to KJU and is his bitch now?

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Oh finally maga is slowly waking up!

Yes Iran has already said all countries except Israel and the US will get free passage if the pay for oil

in Chinese currency.

Typical maga victim blaming is what you are doing,trump ffed up!

Can you agree he did or do you think it was another stable genius idea?

Because you do not agree with the reality, does not make me "MAGA". I am not MAGA. Now you will have to come up with another childish label.

Iran says a lot of things, but has been bombarding multiple nations with ordinance.It is currently blocking passage of oil and gas on China destined tankers from Iraq, Qatar and Kuwait.

The reality is that the UK and EU are importers of the Gulf oil and gas. They were content to rely on the US to protect their interests. Now they have an opportunity to take charge of their own destinies. The UK had its defense commitments to Bahrain, Cypress and others. They can make their presence known at anytime. Nothing is stopping them from changing transactions to yuan, although they don't want to assist China.

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

So it's NATO's fault trump is a megalomaniac narcissist.

Nope - it's the fault of the other NATO countries who failed to stand up to Trump and reign him in much earlier than the current events, including events like Gaza. He got the upper hand, the other NATO countries made small talk and whimpering, and now Iran and China and Russia realise that most NATO countries are utter wimps to be walked over...

5 hours ago, simon43 said:

Now the USA finds itself in trouble, because Iran seems to be stronger than it estimated. The NATO alliance is broken, with Trump wanting to defeat Iran, other NATO countries trying to remain neutral, (which goes totally against the purpose of NATO - an attack on one is an attack on all), and other NATO countries happily greasing their sphincters ....

What a total cluster...........

Yes it is a TOTAL cluster ''' caused by Trump!

Trump/USA attacked another country!

NATO is a defensive organisation therefore article 5 does NOT apply when a country headed by a cluster f"c"er attacks another NON NATO country!