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Australian Aged Pension

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8 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

AWOL

In GG,s scenario. JAD  "just a dream"! 

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12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC you are not Australian. If you want to troll, do it somewhere else. This thread is for Australians only.


Yeah right!  Same as US political threads are for Americans only.

 

When you practice what you preach, so will I.

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23 hours ago, gearbox said:

It is not entitlement, it is welfare. The motive to go away from the current system usually 99% is lack of money.

The age pension is both entitlement and welfare. Any Australian who meets the age and financial criteria is entitled to it.

 

The current situation is a self-inflicted wound. Before, during and after the GFC, hundreds of thousands of Australians lost their life savings to thieves, mainly due to the abject incompetence of ASIC. They were then forced to apply for part or full pensions to make up the shortfall.

 

I guess victim blaming is popular among people who don't like the concept of welfare for those less fortunate.

 

When Joe Hockey said the age of entitlement is over, he certainly was not talking about the tax breaks he was giving to the wealthy. Or himself, the fat turd.

 

BTW, what's your BMI?

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The age pension is both entitlement and welfare. Any Australian who meets the age and financial criteria is entitled to it.

 

The current situation is a self-inflicted wound. Before, during and after the GFC, hundreds of thousands of Australians lost their life savings to thieves, mainly due to the abject incompetence of ASIC. They were then forced to apply for part or full pensions to make up the shortfall.

 

I guess victim blaming is popular among people who don't like the concept of welfare for those less fortunate.

 

When Joe Hockey said the age of entitlement is over, he certainly was not talking about the tax breaks he was giving to the wealthy. Or himself, the fat turd.

 

BTW, what's your BMI?

My BMI is good enough.... thanks for worrying. I travel mainly as a long distance bikepacker or kayaker, that has put me on top of the cardiovascular health for my age.

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7 minutes ago, gearbox said:

My BMI is good enough.... thanks for worrying. I travel mainly as a long distance bikepacker or kayaker, that has put me on top of the cardiovascular health for my age.

Your in good physical shape, then. Perhaps I should worry more about your mental health.

On 1/5/2025 at 7:49 PM, georgegeorgia said:

I just had a look at all the posters in this thread many haven't logged on for years?

Can you give an example?

 

Seems like the usual suspects to me.

On 1/6/2025 at 1:14 AM, gearbox said:

In most of the countries of the world the pension is not based on lifestyle, it is based on age, number of years worked, and the size of pension contributions. Sooner or later the Aussie OAP will be retrofitted in this way.

There will be no Aussie aged pension in the future for people who have worked throughout their life.

 

Their super will push them over any means testing, so no pension for them. 

 

Same old, same old.  The workers paying for those who can, but don't work, ever.  

On 1/6/2025 at 2:27 AM, gearbox said:

It is not entitlement, it is welfare. The motive to go away from the current system usually 99% is lack of money.

One is "entitled" to apply for it based on age.  Whether they are approved to receive it, or part of it, is a different story. 

5 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Can you give an example?

 

Seems like the usual suspects to me.

Ummmm.....the OP?

A mate that is doing the 2 years to make his pension portable got the document below when he asked them for proof in writing that he can leave for a holiday overseas during the 2 years.

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Have a great day

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I found this on FB. Reason for post here, even though it is about Thai Tax, is it refers to Australian Super and I am sure Australian Pension will be treated the same. Note that the TRD told him he doesn't need to file a return because his income is from Super which is great. I know things can change and different offices have different views but this is a factual positive.

 

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At this stage it looks like Aussie pensioners will not need to file a tax return in TH.

Have a great day

1 hour ago, rhodie said:

I found this on FB. Reason for post here, even though it is about Thai Tax, is it refers to Australian Super and I am sure Australian Pension will be treated the same. Note that the TRD told him he doesn't need to file a return because his income is from Super which is great. I know things can change and different offices have different views but this is a factual positive.

 

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At this stage it looks like Aussie pensioners will not need to file a tax return in TH.

There's a few recent youtube videos from law and accounting firms in the other threads about this.  They have qualified Thai tax experts saying otherwise.

 

Who should we believe, a low ranked TRD staff member, or the various Thai tax experts? 

 

If it all turned pear shaped, do you think the TRD staff member would admit to giving the incorrect advice? 

 

If the same guy went to a different province and asked someone in the TRD there the same questions, and got different answers, which version would / should he accept? 

 

 

1 hour ago, rhodie said:

I found this on FB. Reason for post here, even though it is about Thai Tax, is it refers to Australian Super and I am sure Australian Pension will be treated the same. Note that the TRD told him he doesn't need to file a return because his income is from Super which is great. I know things can change and different offices have different views but this is a factual positive.

 

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At this stage it looks like Aussie pensioners will not need to file a tax return in TH.

Most retired Australians don’t receive a government superannuation pension; that benefit is typically limited to former government public servants. Instead, most retirees are likely to rely on the Aged Pension and/or their own private superannuation, allocated pensions, or annuities.
 

As a result, Article 19 of the Double Tax Agreement (DTA) may not be applicable; it’s more likely that Article 20 would apply in these cases.
 

To play devil's advocate here, it’s possible that the Aged Pension could be subject to taxation. With respect to private superannuation payments, I would suggest that only the income or gains earned in 2024, rather than the original capital or gains accrued up to 2023, would be taxable.

20 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

To play devil's advocate here, it’s possible that the Aged Pension could be subject to taxation.

The aged pension is not covered by the DTA.  The aged pension is assessable in Thailand.  If all of the aged pension is remitted to Thailand, it goes over the threshold. 

 

Whilst the tax liability on an aged pension in Thailand would not be too much, it's more than what has had to be paid before, which was zero. 

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2 in 3 pensioners who rent in Aus are living in poverty. 

 

 

Page 3 today’s Syd Daily Telegraph 

 

 

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RETIREES LIVING IN POVERTY

Jade Gailberger

A $2bn boost to federal rent ­assistance is needed as more retirees face homelessness, with two in three pensioners in the rental market living in poverty, new research shows. 

The Grattan Institute report calls for the maximum rate of rent assistance to rise 50 per cent, $53 a week, for singles and 40 per cent, $40, for couples. 

Lead author Brendan Coates said this would ensure single pensioners could afford to spend $350 a week on rent – enough for the cheapest 25 per cent of one-bedroom homes across capital cities – and pay for other essentials. 

“Australia is failing too many retirees who rent,” Mr Coates said. “Only a further substantial boost to rent assistance can ensure that all Australians get the … retirement they deserve.”

Under the proposal, Commonwealth rent assistance would be indexed to changes in rents for the cheapest 25 per cent of rental homes in capital cities, instead of inflation. 

The rent assistance increase would cost about $2bn a year. 

The Grattan Institute recommended funding the boost via controversial measures such as the tightening of super tax breaks, curbing negative gearing, halving the capital gains tax discount, or counting more of the value of the family home in the age pension assets test. 

The report found “two in three retirees who rent … live in poverty, including more than three in four single women”.


 

 

On 2/10/2025 at 2:48 AM, Nemises said:

2 in 3 pensioners who rent in Aus are living in poverty. 

 

 

Page 3 today’s Syd Daily Telegraph 

 

 

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RETIREES LIVING IN POVERTY

Jade Gailberger

A $2bn boost to federal rent ­assistance is needed as more retirees face homelessness, with two in three pensioners in the rental market living in poverty, new research shows. 

The Grattan Institute report calls for the maximum rate of rent assistance to rise 50 per cent, $53 a week, for singles and 40 per cent, $40, for couples. 

Lead author Brendan Coates said this would ensure single pensioners could afford to spend $350 a week on rent – enough for the cheapest 25 per cent of one-bedroom homes across capital cities – and pay for other essentials. 

“Australia is failing too many retirees who rent,” Mr Coates said. “Only a further substantial boost to rent assistance can ensure that all Australians get the … retirement they deserve.”

Under the proposal, Commonwealth rent assistance would be indexed to changes in rents for the cheapest 25 per cent of rental homes in capital cities, instead of inflation. 

The rent assistance increase would cost about $2bn a year. 

The Grattan Institute recommended funding the boost via controversial measures such as the tightening of super tax breaks, curbing negative gearing, halving the capital gains tax discount, or counting more of the value of the family home in the age pension assets test. 

The report found “two in three retirees who rent … live in poverty, including more than three in four single women”.


 

 

Quite a few aged pensioners are homeless, as well.

 

https://www.advocare.org.au/news/census-reveals-shocking-homeless-numbers-for-older-australians/

On 1/10/2008 at 8:41 PM, VOICEOVER said:

I don't turn 65 for another couple of years but when I do, I was under the impression that I could claim the Australian Aged Pension while continuing to reside in Thailand.

Having paid massive amounts in Australian income tax and every other tax they can think of for my entire working life, I figured I could look forward to living reasonably well on our Aged Pension in Thailand. Problem is, according to one source, I might not be able to claim the pension if I am not living in Australia. Another says it will cut-out after 26 weeks if I am away from Oz.

Tried to get info from the so called "Seniors" Link through the Aust. Gvt. website. No USE!!

Would greatly appreciate ANY and ALL info you can offer.

Cheers,

VOICEOVER.

It's 67 for the pension now, and asset tested

25 minutes ago, Albaby said:

It's 67 for the pension now, and asset tested

You're replying to a post from 7 years ago.

 

Edit* 17 years ago.

17 minutes ago, Will27 said:

You're replying to a post from 7 years ago.

2008.in.fact..time.flies fo.some  apparently🤣

2 minutes ago, Olmate said:

2008.in.fact..time.flies fo.some  apparently🤣

Oops, missed a lazy decade there.

Can.someone give me a.refreshet  OF.THE.TASMANISN.OAP help.line toll.free  numberplease, apologies fr asking again.! 🙏

3 hours ago, Olmate said:

Can.someone give me a.refreshet  OF.THE.TASMANISN.OAP help.line toll.free  numberplease, apologies fr asking again.! 🙏

 

0018006114136

 

 

15 hours ago, ozfarang said:

 

0018006114136

 

 

Cheers, regards for the number🙏

19 hours ago, Olmate said:

Can.someone give me a.refreshet  OF.THE.TASMANISN.OAP help.line toll.free  numberplease, apologies fr asking again.! 🙏

A screen shot from OAP topic on FB, a post regarding amounts payable, portability etc... may be of interest to AN Oz members.

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On 2/23/2025 at 11:23 PM, Olmate said:

A screen shot from OAP topic on FB, a post regarding amounts payable, portability etc... may be of interest to AN Oz members.

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What's it say, Olmate? 

 

Is it good news or bad news? 

 

Is Albo still looking after us all?   :cheesy:

Err😂yep, bit blurry that,! See if I.can  improve the shot.

On 2/24/2025 at 6:23 AM, Olmate said:

A screen shot from OAP topic on FB, a post regarding amounts payable, portability etc... may be of interest to AN Oz members.

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Verbatim (ChatGPT):
 

While you are outside Australia

  • Your Age Pension and Pension Supplement may be paid indefinitely.

After 42 days outside Australia

  • Your Energy Supplement can no longer be paid.
  • Your Pensioner Concession Card will be cancelled.
  • Your Pension Supplement reduces to the basic rate.

After 26 weeks outside Australia

  • Your rate may be affected by the length of time you were an Australian resident, between the age of 16 and age pension age.

Our records show that you resided in Australia for at least 420 months between the relevant ages. As you have at least the minimum Australian residence of 35 years required to receive the maximum proportional rate of payment, your Age Pension and Pension Supplement will not be affected after 26 weeks outside Australia.

How you will be paid
Your payments will continue to be paid into your Australian bank account every four weeks. It is up to you to arrange how you get your money from your bank while you are outside Australia. You will have to pay any fees your bank charges to do this.

While you are outside Australia
While you are receiving payment, you still need to tell us of any changes in your circumstances. For example, if your relationship status changes, or your income or assets change, your rate of payment may be reduced. If you own a home in Australia and you are away from it for more than 12 months or leave it permanently, it will be treated as an asset. If you rent out your home in Australia or buy a home in another country, your payment may be affected.

 

26 minutes ago, LosLobo said:


Verbatim (ChatGPT):
 

While you are outside Australia

  • Your Age Pension and Pension Supplement may be paid indefinitely.

After 42 days outside Australia

  • Your Energy Supplement can no longer be paid.
  • Your Pensioner Concession Card will be cancelled.
  • Your Pension Supplement reduces to the basic rate.

After 26 weeks outside Australia

  • Your rate may be affected by the length of time you were an Australian resident, between the age of 16 and age pension age.

Our records show that you resided in Australia for at least 420 months between the relevant ages. As you have at least the minimum Australian residence of 35 years required to receive the maximum proportional rate of payment, your Age Pension and Pension Supplement will not be affected after 26 weeks outside Australia.

How you will be paid
Your payments will continue to be paid into your Australian bank account every four weeks. It is up to you to arrange how you get your money from your bank while you are outside Australia. You will have to pay any fees your bank charges to do this.

While you are outside Australia
While you are receiving payment, you still need to tell us of any changes in your circumstances. For example, if your relationship status changes, or your income or assets change, your rate of payment may be reduced. If you own a home in Australia and you are away from it for more than 12 months or leave it permanently, it will be treated as an asset. If you rent out your home in Australia or buy a home in another country, your payment may be affected.

 

Many thanks LL, too good! 

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