An 'expressive' post there Rob!

I voted to let him stay.

The right to freely travel across the face of the earth is an unalienable right of all people born everywhere throughout all time. Any person, group, organization or governmental unit which interferes with this is violating the fundamental rights of humanity and should be restrained through the right efforts of all reasonable humans.

Chownah

"Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace"

Wonderful thoughts expressed by two legendary characters!

I, for one, am looking forward to the time when the populations of Africa, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Phillipines, Britain, et al, are allowed full freedom to choose the countries in which they would most prefer to reside, without hinderance from petty Immigration borders and rules.

Back to the real world - there is insufficient information in the newspaper article to make a decision in the case. As some one who has been misquoted, had words twisted and even lied about in the media I don't trust any rag to get facts correct in these sort of sensationalistic stories.

Among the unknowns are/were the immigration status of the family. It's likely the parents were on temporary work visas in which case the inconvienience of dying (being killed) in a particular country shouldn't result in automatic residence there for all family survivors.

If the kid is a citizen there should be a way for the father to be sponsored by him (or be granted on compassionate grounds)

Incidently, for SBK, the Australian Citizenship Act was also amended (in Aug 1986) to stop babies born in the country from automatically becoming citizens. They are deemed to have the same status as their parents. (if one parent is a resident or citizen the baby is Australian)

It stopped the tide of pregnant, mainly SE Asian women coming to Australia as visitors to give birth and depart shortly afterwards with the kid clutching a new Oz passport in it's tiny little fist. (many were doing this in the leadup to the Hong Kong handback to China and whenever there was racial unrest in Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore)

As suggested above, I think the reporter is not clear in his writing and there have also been misunderstandings by posters.

As I understand matters (and I too could have misunderstood), the wife was the principal visa holder, being a trained nurse.

The husband came along as a dependent, leaving a son in the Philippines o be raised by the grandparents.

He got a job after arrival, probably menial, but still an income-earner. This is common for Filipinos and I have no problem with that.

However, he was on a limited-time visa, which expires next year.

His wife gets pregnant, has her baby in the UK. But this does not confer automatic citizenship. So what is the best thing for the family?

As he would have had toi leave within the year, I can see no reason for him to stay now. He has much reduced income since his wife's death. He has a small child to raise. His family are in the Philippines. Why should he want to stay?

I can only sugggest that he wants to slip into the 'black' economy, drawing social benefits and continuing his menial job. In fact that seems to be the best way for him to survive in UK, but is it best for his family? Is it best for UK?

I voted to deport.

Edit: Sorry, on re-reading the article, it is the same child. But it is in the Philippines, so why does he want to stay in UK? And his solicitor says 'permanent residence'. This means that he, having no apparent skills, can stay in UK and leave his family in Philippines. No, definitely deport.

OK, thanks for the info. Son is not a UK citizen, or at least there has been no effort to obtain it for the son, perhaps he was unaware of the rules. Most Asian families will have the grandparents raise the child, esp after the mother dies so I am not surprised the kid is in the Phillippines with the family.

The couple's son Zac has been looked after in the Philippines over the past few years as his father prepares to pursue a civil claim against the NHS trust.

I vote for deport but I think he should be allowed to pursue his civil suit first.

I voted for no deportation

At the minimum, he should be allowed to complete any complaints (civil or criminal) he has against the negligent parties pertaining to his wife's death.

It should read: Yes, he should go, Rules are Rules.

No, he should not be deported.

Sorted.

Thank you for that JD, but how anout giving us the benefit of, ' wisdom of solomon'.

Solomon?

I rarely offer an opinion on the affairs of countries in which I have no interest, but just for you mate... I think he should be allowed to stay under the 'compassionate criteria' pending a successful application for permanent residence. If unsuccessful on the first attempt, then deport.

It should read: Yes, he should go, Rules are Rules.

No, he should not be deported.

Sorted.

Thank you for that JD, but how anout giving us the benefit of, ' wisdom of solomon'.

Solomon?

I rarely offer an opinion on the affairs of countries in which I have no interest, but just for you mate... I think he should be allowed to stay under the 'compassionate criteria' pending a successful application for permanent residence. If unsuccessful on the first attempt, then deport.

Why should he want to stay when he has already sent his child back to the Philippines? For the compensation, only, I believe. Then he'll high-tail it outta here.

I do not deny his right to compensation, should it be awarded - he did lose his wife by the negligence of the hospital and staff. But when he only had a visa to stay until 2009, and only because his wife had skills needed by the UK, then why should he be allowed to stay? I just do not see any good reason.

Why should he want to stay when he has already sent his child back to the Philippines? For the compensation, only, I believe. Then he'll high-tail it outta here.

I do not deny his right to compensation, should it be awarded - he did lose his wife by the negligence of the hospital and staff. But when he only had a visa to stay until 2009, and only because his wife had skills needed by the UK, then why should he be allowed to stay? I just do not see any good reason.

I concur

Quite surprized with the responses, I actually thought their would be a resounding win for the, 'throw him out brigade', but apparently not.

The issue with the boy being back in the Phillapines is quite a usual course to take, however his immigration status was a little limited, but to have it withdrawn through an action he had nothing to do with and by a separate Gov't institution to the one that wanted him ejected, but still under the same umbrella, does appear to me to be a little Draconian.

Without the underwsell of immigration that comprise certain jobs, usually the ones that indigenous folk, either refuse or think beneath them, organisations would on occasion fail to function.

However, we all have differing opinions and I am glad we shared them, no matter the difference in what is always a very fractious discussion or contention.

And we even got a response from JD, outside of the 'Hot Ass', thread

Moss

Now on to , 'What do you think about Sharia Law '

Maybe we are a bunch of softies in Bedlam?

Quite surprized with the responses, I actually thought their would be a resounding win for the, 'throw him out brigade', but apparently not.

What, as opposed to the "PC keep him in brigade"

Quite surprized with the responses, I actually thought their would be a resounding win for the, 'Throw Him Out Brigade', but apparently not.

What, as opposed to the "PC keep him in brigade"

Yup

ps

It wasn't a bash at the THOBs, just an expression, I was rather surprized at the outcome, shall I post it in General and see what happens

Moss

Quite surprized with the responses, I actually thought their would be a resounding win for the, 'Throw Him Out Brigade', but apparently not.

What, as opposed to the "PC keep him in brigade"

Yup

ps

It wasn't a bash at the THOBs, just an expression, I was rather surprized at the outcome, shall I post it in General and see what happens

Moss

No worries Moss.

Usually those type just post their tripe without any substance or logic. Hopefully, being one of the "THOB's" i at least made my reasonings clear.

Thankfully common sense prevailed

Link

Halleluyah!

The child's mother was illegally in the UK and chose to give birth in N. Ireland in the knowledge that although her status was unlawful, her child would be entitled to Irish citizenship. Once her child was born, she then moved to mainland UK and claimed to be the dependant of her newly born child. She won her case, but the Irish government subsequently amended their nationality laws to state that although anyone born in the island of Ireland may have an Irish passport, one of their parents has to be either British, Irish, or settled in either the Republic or Northern Ireland.

27th Amendment to the Irish Constitution.

Scouse.

So if you're born in N. Ireland you can have an Irish passport? Do you have to choose between Irish and British?

The child's mother was illegally in the UK and chose to give birth in N. Ireland in the knowledge that although her status was unlawful, her child would be entitled to Irish citizenship. Once her child was born, she then moved to mainland UK and claimed to be the dependant of her newly born child. She won her case, but the Irish government subsequently amended their nationality laws to state that although anyone born in the island of Ireland may have an Irish passport, one of their parents has to be either British, Irish, or settled in either the Republic or Northern Ireland.

27th Amendment to the Irish Constitution.

Scouse.

So if you're born in N. Ireland you can have an Irish passport? Do you have to choose between Irish and British?

First off, dual Nationality is allowed, you do not have to choose.

As for being born in Norn Iron it is a matter of your status, rather than your place of birth, Scouses attachment explains it more clearly.

The link was a little hard to fully understand. However, keep it simple, if your born on Irish soil, you're Irish!

The link was a little hard to fully understand. However, keep it simple, if your born on Irish soil, you're Irish!

It is not like me to disagree my friend, but being born on Irish Soil is not a guarantee of citizenship, the 27th amendment changed all that.

but the Irish government subsequently amended their nationality laws to state that although anyone born in the island of Ireland may have an Irish passport, one of their parents has to be either British, Irish, or settled in either the Republic or Northern Ireland.

Come on Moss, that wasn't what I was trying to say! You know the way it is, if your famous and Irish (and respectable), you're called British, George Best and Alex Higgins were/are always Irish.

As are nearly all the leprechauns, ( a few are now Hindu )

First off, dual Nationality is allowed, you do not have to choose.

Absolutely. As you know, I'm a dual national and i've never even set foot in Ireland

Come on Moss, that wasn't what I was trying to say! You know the way it is, if your famous and Irish (and respectable), you're called British, George Best and Alex Higgins were/are always Irish.

I guess the whoosh you heard was your comment going straight over my head

I have gotta admit, I thought your comment strange, as I know you know the rules or would understand the link, so I have given myself a kick in the shins, apologies for any misrepresentation

First off, dual Nationality is allowed, you do not have to choose.

Absolutely. As you know, I'm a dual national and i've never even set foot in Ireland

So you too are Irish MrBJ?

Come on Moss, that wasn't what I was trying to say! You know the way it is, if your famous and Irish (and respectable), you're called British, George Best and Alex Higgins were/are always Irish.

I guess the whoosh you heard was your comment going straight over my head

I have gotta admit, I thought your comment strange, as I know you know the rules or would understand the link, so I have given myself a kick in the shins, apologies for any misrepresentation

Don't appologise Moss, maybe I was thinking Bedlamites could read my mind rather than me posting properly!

ps do you know Christy Moore's "On the Mainland"! The British poet, Seamus Heaney, is mentioned on it...

Don't appologise Moss, maybe I was thinking Bedlamites could read my mind rather than me posting properly!

To be fair, you posted after jimjim asked a question and as I spend a lot of time in 'visa's', the answer you gave was technically incorrect, although in principle and morally on the button, in cricketing analogy, I misjudged the flipper for a googly and was unceremoniously stumped I blame Thatcher.

ps do you know Christy Moore's "On the Mainland"!

No, I have struggled to like the man's tunes and have not persevered.

The British poet, Seamus Heaney, is mentioned on it...

Grave and turning, comes to mind, but not quite yet .............

If I can upload it, I will. It's brill!

If I can upload it, I will. It's brill!

You never did upload it

Sorry moss, I can't find an on-line copy and I certainly don't know how to do it myself being a Luddite and all that!

Here are the lyrics...

On the Mainland

Christy Moore

I was over on the Mainland

Doing me act in some old civic hall

It was the night before we stormed the hackney empire

My adrenaline got pumpin' when the crowd demanded more

I couldn't sleep a wink

So I turned on to the BBC World Service

Comin' at me from New Delhi

Or some other long lost Colonial shore

When a lovely English man came on the wireless

With a gorgeous, sweet dulcet Portland placed clipped tone

He announced that the winner

Of the 1995 Nobel Prize for Literature

Was a British poet

"Séamus Heaney from Londonderry", sez he

As cool as cool could be

So I roared out for tea and toasted muffins

And a pair of hard-boiled eggs to calm my nerves

You never claimed George Best nor Alex Higgins

Nor you never claimed Bellaghy's other boys

But that's the way things are upon the Mainland

Where the Quarehawks are still sucking

The wee small birds' eggs dry.

I was over on the mainland

Doing me act in some old civic hall