Security Tightens At Government House To Block Anti-govt Protesters

[jumnien]

Los78

Yes, PAD seem to be taking the law into their own hands more and more these days. Police are doing their job, so I can't see it being justified to interrogate someone. I wonder what provocation will Sondhi's paid goons do next....They are getting more and more desperate in trying to stay in the media and cause divisions.

Had you forgotten a "T" at the end of your name? The police doing their job? In case you hadn't heard, the police stood idle and allowed pro-government forces to savagely beat, maim, and abuse unarmed protesters. The police are nothing more than government rogues and are not doing their job.

It's a bit of a stretch to call Sondhi's pawns "protesters". Paid naive thugs, perhaps. They have been disturbing and disrupting Thai society for years now and now they're getting a bit of their own medicine. The ultra-conservative right-wing PAD has not listened to the police in the past and isn't about to now.

who wants to pay respect or attention to a corrupt police force ?

PAD is the best thing to happen to Thai democracy. Its waking the people up to the realities of the system.

That's debatable. I don't think the elites pulling the strings behind the pro-Thaksin and anti-Thaksin movements have any interest at all in waking the people up to the realities of the system.

[hammered]

Los78

Yes, PAD seem to be taking the law into their own hands more and more these days. Police are doing their job, so I can't see it being justified to interrogate someone. I wonder what provocation will Sondhi's paid goons do next....They are getting more and more desperate in trying to stay in the media and cause divisions.

Had you forgotten a "T" at the end of your name? The police doing their job? In case you hadn't heard, the police stood idle and allowed pro-government forces to savagely beat, maim, and abuse unarmed protesters. The police are nothing more than government rogues and are not doing their job.

It's a bit of a stretch to call Sondhi's pawns "protesters". Paid naive thugs, perhaps. They have been disturbing and disrupting Thai society for years now and now they're getting a bit of their own medicine. The ultra-conservative right-wing PAD has not listened to the police in the past and isn't about to now.

who wants to pay respect or attention to a corrupt police force ?

PAD is the best thing to happen to Thai democracy. Its waking the people up to the realities of the system.

That's debatable. I don't think the elites pulling the strings behind the pro-Thaksin and anti-Thaksin movements have any interest at all in waking the people up to the realities of the system.

That is probably true. That would mean sharing far far far more than any of them want to. Two sides of the same coin as I once think you said.

[sgtpeppers]

Los78

Yes, PAD seem to be taking the law into their own hands more and more these days. Police are doing their job, so I can't see it being justified to interrogate someone. I wonder what provocation will Sondhi's paid goons do next....They are getting more and more desperate in trying to stay in the media and cause divisions.

Had you forgotten a "T" at the end of your name? The police doing their job? In case you hadn't heard, the police stood idle and allowed pro-government forces to savagely beat, maim, and abuse unarmed protesters. The police are nothing more than government rogues and are not doing their job.

It's a bit of a stretch to call Sondhi's pawns "protesters". Paid naive thugs, perhaps. They have been disturbing and disrupting Thai society for years now and now they're getting a bit of their own medicine. The ultra-conservative right-wing PAD has not listened to the police in the past and isn't about to now.

who wants to pay respect or attention to a corrupt police force ?

PAD is the best thing to happen to Thai democracy. Its waking the people up to the realities of the system.

That's debatable. I don't think the elites pulling the strings behind the pro-Thaksin and anti-Thaksin movements have any interest at all in waking the people up to the realities of the system.

well at least it is stirring up the fetid cesspool, allowing the crud to float to the surface for all those with eyes to see.

Its making people question the system. This wasn't happening under the Thaksin regime.

All part of the growing pains of a developing democracy. PAD have been instrumental in this (painful) growth.

[jumnien]

Well, Sondhi is floating like a spinning turd in the toilet bowl of Thai politics!

[sgtpeppers]

Well, Sondhi is floating like a spinning turd in the toilet bowl of Thai politics!

he is just a little nugget. forget about him.

the biggest one by far is Thaksin and co.

[jumnien]

Well, Sondhi is floating like a spinning turd in the toilet bowl of Thai politics!

he is just a little nugget. forget about him.

the biggest one by far is Thaksin and co.

Let's hope you are correct. Most likely, Thaksin will be rather weak politically in two or three years; however, the ultra-conservative and nationalistic PAD might be a strain on the plumbing for many decades to come.

[sgtpeppers]

Los78

Yes, PAD seem to be taking the law into their own hands more and more these days. Police are doing their job, so I can't see it being justified to interrogate someone. I wonder what provocation will Sondhi's paid goons do next....They are getting more and more desperate in trying to stay in the media and cause divisions.

Had you forgotten a "T" at the end of your name? The police doing their job? In case you hadn't heard, the police stood idle and allowed pro-government forces to savagely beat, maim, and abuse unarmed protesters. The police are nothing more than government rogues and are not doing their job.

It's a bit of a stretch to call Sondhi's pawns "protesters". Paid naive thugs, perhaps. They have been disturbing and disrupting Thai society for years now and now they're getting a bit of their own medicine. The ultra-conservative right-wing PAD has not listened to the police in the past and isn't about to now.

who wants to pay respect or attention to a corrupt police force ?

PAD is the best thing to happen to Thai democracy. Its waking the people up to the realities of the system.

That's debatable. I don't think the elites pulling the strings behind the pro-Thaksin and anti-Thaksin movements have any interest at all in waking the people up to the realities of the system.

well at least it is stirring up the fetid cesspool, allowing the crud to float to the surface for all those with eyes to see.

Its making people quest

[sriracha john]

Drunk crashes into PAD rally site

An inebriated man crashed his vehicle into the People's Alliance for Democracy's rally site, leaving two security officials injured.

Sarotkrit Phromaksorn, a 56-year-old resident of Bangkok's Phasi Charoen district and former member of the Chart Thai Party, was apparently under the influence of alcohol when he was asked to step out of his Land Rover, according to PAD security staff. The incident took place shortly before 3 AM.

The man was found wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying two pistols on his person. More weapons, including three pistols, one shotgun, knives, and several bullets, were found hidden in his car.

Police later took Sarotkrit in for questioning and charged him with carrying firearms in a public place without permission as well as careless and drunk driving.

Colonel Viboonyuth Santadvej, superintendent of the Nang Loeng police station who was present during questioning, said the man had said he was carrying guns because was a firearms enthusiast. The driver also told police that he crashed into the PAD fence because he wanted to get to the King Rama V Monument to pay his respects , but that there was no other way to get there.

The policeman said a test found that alcohol levels in the driver's blood was 120 milligrams per decilitre. The legal limit is 50mg/dl.

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner, LtGeneral Aswin Kwanmuang, said yesterday that he believed the man was just plain drunk and not really a serious threat to the PAD rally.

"It is common sense: people who want to cause trouble are unlikely to go there alone. Anyone daring to do that would be killed. Nobody in their right mind will want to go alone with the intention of harming lots of people. It's impossible," Aswin said. *General Aswin needs to read some criminal case files of the numerous, numerous times when precisely what he says is "impossible", actually occurs.*

Meanwhile, Chamlong Srimuang, a PAD leader, said yesterday that he had asked for the Military Police to send in officers and boost security measures at the protest site in the wake of the incident, which he described as "the severest" in the recent trouble-making attempts.

In a related development, Chart Thai Party director Nikorn Jamnong yesterday said that Sarotkrit had resigned from the party in August last year, adding that the man had nothing to do with the party even though his membership card was found in his possession.

- The Nation

Edited July 31, 2008 by sriracha john

[Plus]

Well, it's certainly nice to see a diversity of opinion here on ThaiVisa. Let's hope it stays that way!

"Killing or injuring people"? Sorry, I thought the incident involved PAD supporters!

Well, Sondhi is floating like a spinning turd in the toilet bowl of Thai politics!

Am I still reading Thaivisa?

I don't think this kind of diversity is what we need. What happens if one of thousands of TV members starts responding in kind? Is it what Sunrise wants?

[sriracha john]

The driver also told police that he crashed into the PAD fence because he wanted to get to the King Rama V Monument to pay his respects

Doesn't everyone wishing to do the same carry these with them?

[Tony Clifton]

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner, LtGeneral Aswin Kwanmuang, said yesterday that he believed the man was just plain drunk and not really a serious threat to the PAD rally."It is common sense: people who want to cause trouble are unlikely to go there alone. Anyone daring to do that would be killed. Nobody in their right mind will want to go alone with the intention of harming lots of people. It's impossible"

Not a serious threat with all those weapons? Killed? Yet the drunken idiot is still alive. Of all the times PAD or democrats were attacked no attacker was ever killed or even injured. Why is this policeman implying that the PAD crowd would kill?

Another fine example of the brown uniform showing which side of the fence it's on with such stupid comments. Cockroaches.

Whatever happened to the recently proposed police reform?

[Los78]

who wants to pay respect or attention to a corrupt police force ?

PAD is the best thing to happen to Thai democracy. Its waking the people up to the realities of the system.

How do PAD (Junta) and democracy go together? I have no idea????. Ying and Yang perhaps...

Since I last check PAD destroyed democracy in the past and they are trying thier hardest to do it again.....

[sriracha john]

Police nab Udon attack suspect

Police yesterday arrested a suspect involved in last week's bloody attack on anti-government People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) demonstrators in Udon Thani. Pradit Ramraroeng, 21, was arrested at a car repair garage in Udon Thani. He was charged with colluding with over 10 people to assault others. Pradit confessed that he joined the Khon Rak Udon (People Who Love Udon) Club to attack the PAD demonstrators at Nong Prajaksillapakhom public park on July 24. The police also showed him his photo taken during the clash at the park. National Police Chief Patcharawat Wongsuwan said he has assigned a police Inspector-General to look into last week's clashes in Udon Thani and Buriram and report the findings to him within five days. He vowed to take disciplinary action against police officers found to have been negligent in the incident. Thammasat University Deputy Rector Prinya Thewanaruemitkul, a leader of the network called Different Views Without Violence or the so-called White Ribbon group, yesterday submitted a petition to Pol Gen Patcharawat, asking for strict enforcement of the law against those involved in violent clashes. Thiankwan Pongpreecha, a university student and member of the network, said unarmed people had the right to gather peacefully. Police should enforce the law strictly if certain groups of people used force against unarmed protesters who had different views from them, she said. Former Buriram MP Sophon Phetsawang yesterday handed evidence, including photos and CDs featuring the incident in Buriram, to the National Police Chief. Several police officers were injured during the clash. He accused Phusit Lekunakorn, a Buriram provincial councillor, and Winai Jankrob, a kamnan, of hiring people to assault police handling the PAD demonstration on that day.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.net/310708_News/31Jul2008_news11.php

Edited July 31, 2008 by sriracha john

[hammered]

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner, LtGeneral Aswin Kwanmuang, said yesterday that he believed the man was just plain drunk and not really a serious threat to the PAD rally."It is common sense: people who want to cause trouble are unlikely to go there alone. Anyone daring to do that would be killed. Nobody in their right mind will want to go alone with the intention of harming lots of people. It's impossible"

Not a serious threat with all those weapons? Killed? Yet the drunken idiot is still alive. Of all the times PAD or democrats were attacked no attacker was ever killed or even injured. Why is this policeman implying that the PAD crowd would kill?

Another fine example of the brown uniform showing which side of the fence it's on with such stupid comments. Cockroaches.

Whatever happened to the recently proposed police reform?

In all honesty it is irrelevent what the police commisioner thinks. It is just a matter of charging the guy with whatever laws he broke and letting the courts decide.

The police reform wont happen. A large part of the police hierarchy are close with this government and so wont have to worry about any reform they dont like. The removal of Seripisit who was actually admired as a crime fighter across a wide section of Thai society including those who vote PPP was an indication of the politcisation of the police force again. If one wanted to look into the deeper history of the military-police rivalry and how the police lost a former at least politcal ascendency several decades ago to the military and have been weak since one could see how other less seen power struggles continue. The rise of ex-policeman Thaksin to become the most powerful ever PM gave the police hope of regaining some lost ground and conversely worried many in the military. There are many games and group rivalries that complicate the problems that Thailand has right now.

[jumnien]

It was reported in the Bangkok Post today that the drunk man with the arsenal was indeed a member of the Democrat Party!

[Sheryl]

There are many games and group rivalries that complicate the problems that Thailand has right now.

Exactly. And these are playing themselves out in a confused tangle against a backdrop of long standing economic inequities and deep class resentments. The latter, long been supressed, is now pretty much a genie let out of the bottle. The potential results could be catastrophic...for everybody. The various competeing actors are so blinded by their own particular agendas that they don't see the larger picture and they are setting in motion forces that none of them will be able to control.

It is a very dangerous time that is likely to get much more so before it gets any better. Thais I've spoken with, both Bangkok middle/upper class and my neighbors here in a comparatively poor rural area, are seriously concerned about the prospect of civil conflict.

[Artisi]

It was reported in the Bangkok Post today that the drunk man with the arsenal was indeed a member of the Democrat Party!

Please cite the link for this statement.

[younghusband]

There are many games and group rivalries that complicate the problems that Thailand has right now.

Exactly. And these are playing themselves out in a confused tangle against a backdrop of long standing economic inequities and deep class resentments. The latter, long been supressed, is now pretty much a genie let out of the bottle. The potential results could be catastrophic...for everybody. The various competeing actors are so blinded by their own particular agendas that they don't see the larger picture and they are setting in motion forces that none of them will be able to control.

It is a very dangerous time that is likely to get much more so before it gets any better. Thais I've spoken with, both Bangkok middle/upper class and my neighbors here in a comparatively poor rural area, are seriously concerned about the prospect of civil conflict.

Excellent and wise post Sheryl but a word of warning,be sparing in the use the phrase "letting the genie out of the bottle" as it gives some of our feudalist friends an apoplexy.

[A_Traveller]

^^ What it really says is

The Chart Thai party said Mr Sarochakrit was no longer a party member, as he had left to join the Democrat party.

However, earlier in the article

Police arrested Sarochakrit Prom-aksorn, 56, after he slammed his car into the PAD's barricades at Makkhawan Rangsan bridge in Dusit district about 3 am yesterday. The man, who wore a bullet-proof vest, appeared drunk. Three pistols, a shotgun and rounds of ammunition were found hidden in his vehicle. A licence to practise law, a Chart Thai party jacket and a card showing he was a member of the Chart Thai party were also found.

Regards

LINK

Edited July 31, 2008 by A_Traveller

[baanthale]

^^ What it really says is

The Chart Thai party said Mr Sarochakrit was no longer a party member, as he had left to join the Democrat party.

However, earlier in the article

Police arrested Sarochakrit Prom-aksorn, 56, after he slammed his car into the PAD's barricades at Makkhawan Rangsan bridge in Dusit district about 3 am yesterday. The man, who wore a bullet-proof vest, appeared drunk. Three pistols, a shotgun and rounds of ammunition were found hidden in his vehicle. A licence to practise law, a Chart Thai party jacket and a card showing he was a member of the Chart Thai party were also found.

Regards

LINK

So he is a member of the democrat party

[A_Traveller]

^ My reading is that it is claimed that the individual is no longer a member of the Chart Thai party, by the spokesperson for the Chart Thai party, given that there was evidence in the vehicle linking him to the Chart Thai party, which is somewhat different.

Regards

/edit add evidence in vehicle//

Edited July 31, 2008 by A_Traveller

[baanthale]

^ My reading is that it is claimed that the individual is no longer a member of the Chart Thai party, by the spokesperson for the Chart Thai party, given that there was evidence in the vehicle linking him to the Chart Thai party, which is somewhat different.

Regards

/edit add evidence in vehicle//

Your word against the chart thai spokesman, you know what that means don't you

[Los78]

^^ What it really says is

The Chart Thai party said Mr Sarochakrit was no longer a party member, as he had left to join the Democrat party.

However, earlier in the article

Police arrested Sarochakrit Prom-aksorn, 56, after he slammed his car into the PAD's barricades at Makkhawan Rangsan bridge in Dusit district about 3 am yesterday. The man, who wore a bullet-proof vest, appeared drunk. Three pistols, a shotgun and rounds of ammunition were found hidden in his vehicle. A licence to practise law, a Chart Thai party jacket and a card showing he was a member of the Chart Thai party were also found.

Regards

LINK

So he is a member of the democrat party

Well it just goes to show you should not jump the gun before the facts come out. Something that a lot of members here like to do.

[sriracha john]

Arrest Warrrants to Be Issued for Udon Thani Violence Suspects

Police prepare to issue arrest warrants for 20 more people who are believed to have been involved in the Udon Thani clash led by the pro-government Udon-Thani Patriots.

The Udon Thani Police investigation team from the Udon Thani city district says the police team is continuing its investigation of the Udon Thani clash that occurred after the pro-government Udon Thani Patriots stormed the People's Alliance for Democracy rally on July 24th and destroyed the rally stage, leading to many injuries.

The police say arrest warrants are to be issued for more than 20 suspects believed to have been involved in the clash.

All members of the Udon-Thani Patriots initially acknowledged the charges, but as many members are not turning themselves in, the police team will now issue arrest warrants.

Meanwhile, Buriram Police Commander, Police Major General Prasit Kamdee presided over a ceremony hosted yesterday to grant honorary certificates and monetary rewards for 17 brave police officers who performed their crowd control work with patience.

The 17 officers are praised for their performance during the clash, as they did not use force. The 17 police officers were injured in the clash.

- Thailand Outlook

[Tony Clifton]

Samak blames Santi Asoke for opposition against Govt

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej Sunday blamed the Santi Asoke Buddhist sect for the mounting opposition against his government.

Speaking during his Talk Samak Style programme on NBT, Samak called the sect as the outlawed monastery and said it had established influence nationwide and was trying to incite the people to rise up against the government.

Samak said members of the sect were behind the rallies of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The Nation

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It `s a religious group' s fault, not his cabinet`s filled with cheats, criminals and incompetents.

[Artisi]

Samak blames Santi Asoke for opposition against Govt

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej Sunday blamed the Santi Asoke Buddhist sect for the mounting opposition against his government.

Speaking during his Talk Samak Style programme on NBT, Samak called the sect as the outlawed monastery and said it had established influence nationwide and was trying to incite the people to rise up against the government.

Samak said members of the sect were behind the rallies of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The Nation

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It `s a religious group' s fault, not his cabinet`s filled with cheats, criminals and incompetents.

Of course it's their fault, how could you be ever so stupid to think that it had anything to do with an inept and bogus cabinet.

[seagull]

^^ What it really says is

The Chart Thai party said Mr Sarochakrit was no longer a party member, as he had left to join the Democrat party.

However, earlier in the article

Police arrested Sarochakrit Prom-aksorn, 56, after he slammed his car into the PAD's barricades at Makkhawan Rangsan bridge in Dusit district about 3 am yesterday. The man, who wore a bullet-proof vest, appeared drunk. Three pistols, a shotgun and rounds of ammunition were found hidden in his vehicle. A licence to practise law, a Chart Thai party jacket and a card showing he was a member of the Chart Thai party were also found.

Regards

LINK

So he is a member of the democrat party

Yes, one man one word.

[Tony Clifton]

So, we can t amend the constitution? Let's propose a new bill!

PPP proposes bill to regulate rallies

A group of People Power Party has proposed a bill to authorise the authorities to crack down on demonstrations in public areas if the rallies cause hardship to the public.

The bill is sponsored by Jumpoj Boonyai, a Sakhon Nakhon MP and other People Power MPs.

It is scheduled for deliberation on Wednesday.

Among other things, it will require organisers of rallies to seek approval from the authorities before they organise demonstrations in public areas or use equipment to broadcast the rallies.

The bill also seeks to free the authorities from any legal liability if they break up the demonstrations in public areas. Eager to bash more heads huh...

Organisers of the demonstrations would also be held responsible if any demonstrator violates the law.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...newsid=30079709

I ll save from posting on this Wednesday and do it now : REJECTED!

Edited August 4, 2008 by Tony Clifton

[sriracha john]

a bill to authorise the authorities to crack down on demonstrations in public areas

The bill also seeks to free the authorities from any legal liability if they break up the demonstrations in public areas.

Democracy, PPP-style.

[sriracha john]

Interesting contrast.....PAD women vs UDD women...

PAD:

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UDD: