a nurse with a scimpy skirt and tight white shirt comes walking past.

One of my earliest memories is waking up one morning in an unusual state and running downstairs to show everybody.

Still have a few exhibitionist tendencies. (Not in Ian's class though).

Man, all the information is coming out in this thread. hopefully ian keeps it limited to information and no photos.

I remember years ago I dropped in to have a coffee with a mate, he wasnt expecting me, I would just often drop past when I was in his area. Anyway, I knocked on the door and he called from the other side, "Who is it". I said, "Its me <snip>" and he swung the door open and there he was standing in the doorway wearing only a T-shirt & holding his pecker in his hand. I was like, "Ohhh wot you doing <snip>" and he told me he had just got out of hosptial after being circumc ised. I was like, ohh 'holy fekk' anyway, he told me to come in for a coffee and I was somewhat surprised to see that half his family, mother, father,wife & brother and a couple of other mates were there as well. He was walking around holding his jolly rodger because he said it hurt too much if it touched clothing etc.

Anyway, years later I still laugh at him about that, it sure did look painful IMHO. Better him than me

I'm tempted, Neverdie. I'm tempted. But my ladies with me in the photos wouldn't be amused.

I'm tempted, Neverdie. I'm tempted. But my ladies with me in the photos wouldn't be amused.

Neither would we Ian, neither would we.

I'm tempted, Neverdie. I'm tempted. But my ladies with me in the photos wouldn't be amused.

Neither would we Ian, neither would we.

Oooooh, I don't know. It could be the perfect thread for some pics.

Ian, the ladies would never know.

I'm tempted, Neverdie. I'm tempted. But my ladies with me in the photos wouldn't be amused.

Neither would we Ian, neither would we.

Oooooh, I don't know. It could be the perfect thread for some pics.

Ian, the ladies would never know.

Are you aware both Ian and little Ian may appear in these photos, SICKO.

Are you aware both Ian and little Ian may appear in these photos, SICKO.

Actually not, just two cute butts and one rather old one. I later used parts of the photo as separate subjects for paintings... me not included.

here is one of the paintings...

The {invisible} Men - SARINA LEWIS, SUNDAY LIFE

June 16, 2010

Seeking recognition ... Are men struggling with feelings of invisibility?

It's a man's world ... no more. Sarina Lewis talks to the blokes who feel overworked and underappreciated.

When personal trainer, husband and father-of-two John Bonasera walks in the door following a fractured night's sleep on the couch and a 13-hour workday, a complaint is the last thing to leave his lips. But it's not out of personal choice, says the oft-harried 37-year-old. The verbal restraint is borne more from a desire for self-preservation.

"'You weren't pregnant. You haven't breastfed for five months. I haven't slept for four years,'" Bonasera mimics, repeating the litany of responses his wife is likely to fling back should he break his code of silence and admit to being tired and at the end of his rope. "In the end, you kind of just wear it."

Welcome, say our tired husbands and fathers, to the age of the neglected male. Harried and hurrying from school drop-offs to breakfast meetings before rushing home for baby's bath time, these tired and tetchy men are left wondering why - unlike their hard-working female partners - they are failing to receive what they believe to be rightful recognition for their efforts. Take a rudimentary glance at the evidence, they urge.

Ladies, these men may have a point.

The media devotes significant coverage to the complex life of the modern family woman and her constant juggle between familial, work and domestic responsibilities, but precious little to how men manage the load. Yet figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics bear out a startlingly even spread of domestic and professional labour: a 2006 study into how Australians used their time found that men spent a combined average (over seven days) of 11.44 hours per day performing professional, childcare and domestic tasks. And women? They came in at a combined average of 11.35 hours - nine minutes less than the men.

Figures aside, what these men are saying is that they too would appreciate the odd tribute; that it's not a question of who does more, but more a question of unheard voices.

"The best advice is, 'Don't say you're tired, don't complain.' Because, you know, what's the point?" says Troy Jones, a 33-year-old father of two young children who works in the film and advertising industries. Having interviewed dozens of men during the creation of a series of short films designed to provide information and support to first-time fathers, Jones says the overwhelming majority of male participants struggled with feelings of invisibility, and the belief that their roles in family and society were undervalued or, in some cases, not valued at all.

"There is a legitimate desire from men to be acknowledged," says Jones, who suggests that the modern man's role in society is vastly different from that of his father. No longer is it enough for a family man to bring home the bacon - the expectations regarding shared domestic responsibilities and child rearing are now intense. Not that Sunday Life's male interviewees begrudge the new standard. Feelings of neglect arise, they say, when the stresses and strains of their lives - now as complex as those of their wives - go unnoticed.

"When you're both juggling at the same time and one's in the door and one's out the door, I think there definitely is more credence given to the woman than to the man," says Bonasera. "Without question."

As a single father with joint custody of his seven-year-old daughter, public relations executive Scott Pettet, 36, couldn't agree more. "These days, a woman can pick up any one of 10 magazines and there will be stories in there about working mums and how to manage the work-life balance. But where are the stories about men holding down demanding careers, then raising kids as well?" Pettet asks, barely pausing for breath. "There's no acknowledgement of it."

Although women may find it tempting, they shouldn't write off such complaints as more male moaning, says Randal Newton-John, a program leader for MensLine Australia. With MensLine receiving some 40,000 anonymous calls for support a year, Newton-John says the desire for men to have their efforts legitimised is strong. Failing to do so, he warns, can cause both a build-up of resentment and more serious problems down the line, depression and relationship breakdown among them.

Many men, he says, simply want to be heard: "They call in and they often say, 'I just need someone to talk to, who won't judge me and tell me what I'm feeling is wrong.'"

Michael Gipters has been there and done that. As a 43-year-old husband and father of two primary-school-age children, he says he found his peace in challenging societal expectations. With a young family to help care for, Gipters moved out of a high-pressure city job to the slower-paced environs of the public service, the rationale being that if women are now being told they no longer have to be Superwoman, then why are men still donning the red cape?

"I think other men have got to take that expectation off themselves," Gipters says. "If they're going to take up some of the responsibilities domestically, then they're going to have to drop some of these responsibilities work-wise. Men are under pressure to do everything women do, but they aren't doing themselves any favours by just continuing on with it."

Of course, for many that may be easier said than done. In the meantime, they say, a simple bit of acknowledgement would suffice.

"I think the entire basis of happiness is this innate desire to be heard and have your opinions recognised," ventures Troy Jones. "For blokes in Australia, the way to be tough is to just soldier on and be eternally okay with everything. But that's not the path to happiness. Or mental stability."

Source: smh.com.au

Good article, Old Croc. I can personally identify with it. However, it just emphasizes what I'm always stressing on thaivisa topics... that until you know ALL the facts it is hard to come to a valid conclusion, and all you've got to go on is personal experiences. The older you are the more experiences you normally will have. I know lots of people in their mid thirties (like my own children) who think they have life all figured out. But until life has thrown them a few curve balls they don't really know how they might react. Losing the career you thought would last forever and then being faced with financial ruin, or having your spouse run off with your best friend, or having a loved one die unexpectedly, are traumatic events that will effect everyone differently.

The {invisible} Men - SARINA LEWIS, SUNDAY LIFE

June 16, 2010

Seeking recognition ... Are men struggling with feelings of invisibility?

It's a man's world ... no more. Sarina Lewis talks to the blokes who feel overworked and underappreciated.

When personal trainer, husband and father-of-two John Bonasera walks in the door following a fractured night's sleep on the couch and a 13-hour workday, a complaint is the last thing to leave his lips. But it's not out of personal choice, says the oft-harried 37-year-old. The verbal restraint is borne more from a desire for self-preservation.

"'You weren't pregnant. You haven't breastfed for five months. I haven't slept for four years,'" Bonasera mimics, repeating the litany of responses his wife is likely to fling back should he break his code of silence and admit to being tired and at the end of his rope. "In the end, you kind of just wear it."

Welcome, say our tired husbands and fathers, to the age of the neglected male. Harried and hurrying from school drop-offs to breakfast meetings before rushing home for baby's bath time, these tired and tetchy men are left wondering why - unlike their hard-working female partners - they are failing to receive what they believe to be rightful recognition for their efforts. Take a rudimentary glance at the evidence, they urge.

Ladies, these men may have a point.

The media devotes significant coverage to the complex life of the modern family woman and her constant juggle between familial, work and domestic responsibilities, but precious little to how men manage the load. Yet figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics bear out a startlingly even spread of domestic and professional labour: a 2006 study into how Australians used their time found that men spent a combined average (over seven days) of 11.44 hours per day performing professional, childcare and domestic tasks. And women? They came in at a combined average of 11.35 hours - nine minutes less than the men.

Figures aside, what these men are saying is that they too would appreciate the odd tribute; that it's not a question of who does more, but more a question of unheard voices.

"The best advice is, 'Don't say you're tired, don't complain.' Because, you know, what's the point?" says Troy Jones, a 33-year-old father of two young children who works in the film and advertising industries. Having interviewed dozens of men during the creation of a series of short films designed to provide information and support to first-time fathers, Jones says the overwhelming majority of male participants struggled with feelings of invisibility, and the belief that their roles in family and society were undervalued or, in some cases, not valued at all.

"There is a legitimate desire from men to be acknowledged," says Jones, who suggests that the modern man's role in society is vastly different from that of his father. No longer is it enough for a family man to bring home the bacon - the expectations regarding shared domestic responsibilities and child rearing are now intense. Not that Sunday Life's male interviewees begrudge the new standard. Feelings of neglect arise, they say, when the stresses and strains of their lives - now as complex as those of their wives - go unnoticed.

"When you're both juggling at the same time and one's in the door and one's out the door, I think there definitely is more credence given to the woman than to the man," says Bonasera. "Without question."

As a single father with joint custody of his seven-year-old daughter, public relations executive Scott Pettet, 36, couldn't agree more. "These days, a woman can pick up any one of 10 magazines and there will be stories in there about working mums and how to manage the work-life balance. But where are the stories about men holding down demanding careers, then raising kids as well?" Pettet asks, barely pausing for breath. "There's no acknowledgement of it."

Although women may find it tempting, they shouldn't write off such complaints as more male moaning, says Randal Newton-John, a program leader for MensLine Australia. With MensLine receiving some 40,000 anonymous calls for support a year, Newton-John says the desire for men to have their efforts legitimised is strong. Failing to do so, he warns, can cause both a build-up of resentment and more serious problems down the line, depression and relationship breakdown among them.

Many men, he says, simply want to be heard: "They call in and they often say, 'I just need someone to talk to, who won't judge me and tell me what I'm feeling is wrong.'"

Michael Gipters has been there and done that. As a 43-year-old husband and father of two primary-school-age children, he says he found his peace in challenging societal expectations. With a young family to help care for, Gipters moved out of a high-pressure city job to the slower-paced environs of the public service, the rationale being that if women are now being told they no longer have to be Superwoman, then why are men still donning the red cape?

"I think other men have got to take that expectation off themselves," Gipters says. "If they're going to take up some of the responsibilities domestically, then they're going to have to drop some of these responsibilities work-wise. Men are under pressure to do everything women do, but they aren't doing themselves any favours by just continuing on with it."

Of course, for many that may be easier said than done. In the meantime, they say, a simple bit of acknowledgement would suffice.

"I think the entire basis of happiness is this innate desire to be heard and have your opinions recognised," ventures Troy Jones. "For blokes in Australia, the way to be tough is to just soldier on and be eternally okay with everything. But that's not the path to happiness. Or mental stability."

Source: smh.com.au

It's been said on this thread before: "Harden the F up!!"

No, actually, I think it is way past time that the things said in the article were aired.

It's so true that men will usually just stay silent rather than invoke the verbal wrath of an equally harried wife. It is a bit cultural, I suspect. We have to be staid and maintain the facade that the liberated women have created that the modern working woman is Wonder Woman while the modern working man is just a drone that gets paid to do whatever he does....and of course, there's the age old line of "I had to bear your child for nine months, etc".

Incidentally, whenever a woman uses the nine months line, I like to point out that the first 3 months was probably unoticed, that the second trimester was probably a period of joy and expectation, and that the final trimester may not have been a burden at all either. Nine months, although technically correct, is a grossly deceptive exageration in regard to the carrying of a burden.

Now that is downright sick

No patsy, not sick, if you were a TRUE member of the grumpy old mans club you would know this is just some secret mens business and wouldnt label it 'sick' so quickly.

Anyway, its been interesting to see the ladies flock into the room, I guess it was as a result of labeling the thread 'secret', women love that shit.....fortunately I didnt include the word 'gossip' we would be unindated with chics with rollers in their hair & mobile telephones strapped to their ears

Hey ND ol mate, hows things?

Yeh labelling the thread mens buz and mentioning the word secret was a definate gaurantee that all the gals would soon show up clever!!!

When i think of mens business i think of our old mate rodney rude, i presume you are a fan

Whatddya hate?

I hate how when me and the gf go out to eat (fancy), i cover the bill...no sign of help

Yet when we go out for street noodles gf near breaks her wrist reaching for handbag (handbag that i brought BTW) to pay the 60 baht

i hate datt

^Nope, never heard of Rodney before, unless you mean this Rodney:-

Well worth a watch! 

Ok..ive stayed away from the boys secret room this whole time(kinda figured it would be a bit fusty in here anyway )but neverdies link begs the question:

Why are men so obsessed by their penises?

I dont see women writing songs about their bits down below. I just dont get it!

Ok..ive stayed away from the boys secret room this whole time(kinda figured it would be a bit fusty in here anyway )but neverdies link begs the question:

Why are men so obsessed by their penises?

I dont see women writing songs about their bits down below. I just dont get it!

it aint what you got, its how you use it thats the important thing. .

Why are men so obsessed by their penises?

I dont see women writing songs about their bits down below. I just dont get it!

Men are obsessed with sex. They write songs about women's private parts all the time, but call them love songs, so they can play them on the radio. 

Why are men so obsessed by their penises?

I dont see women writing songs about their bits down below. I just dont get it!

Men are obsessed with sex. They write songs about women's private parts all the time, but call them love songs, so they can play them on the radio.

too funny UG.

Hey eek, welcome to the mans thread.

Why do women play with their hair or put on makeup at the traffic lights? Because they've got no balls to scratch.

I thought you were Australian?

It's common knowledge men use traffic light breaks to pick their nose.

Sheeshh...

^ You must be from a different part of the great nation, let me guess, tassie?

I agree with Eek, why are you always scratching or groaning about your apendages?? Its not like we haven't seen one before. Well, i haven't. Being a virgin.

We don't go around anouncing to all and sundry how beautiful our fannys are, do we? Or getting them out to flash people? Or, sending e mail pictures of them,

^Nope, never heard of Rodney before, unless you mean this Rodney:-

That one goes well with the old song by McClane and McClane... "I seen pubic hairs", sung to the melody "I've been everywhere" by Hank Snow.

Ok..ive stayed away from the boys secret room this whole time(kinda figured it would be a bit fusty in here anyway )but neverdies link begs the question:

Why are men so obsessed by their penises?

I dont see women writing songs about their bits down below. I just dont get it!

How big a hit with wimmin, and how long-running, and how many times performed by other companies, was "The Vagina Monologues"?

I agree with Eek, why are you always scratching or groaning about your apendages?? Its not like we haven't seen one before. Well, i haven't. Being a virgin.

We don't go around anouncing to all and sundry how beautiful our fannys are, do we? Or getting them out to flash people? Or, sending e mail pictures of them,

Well maybe you should!

Do you want my address?

No thanks!! I don't have a camera nor would i be able to angle it right.

You would probably get a fuzzy ceiling or something!!!

I agree with Eek, why are you always scratching or groaning about your apendages??

Because we can

Emdure,

That sounds just like the dog and his &lt;deleted&gt; joke.

I think i shall leave now and go back to eeks dancing thread. To at least see if any of you pillocks have any boogy.

No thanks!! I don't have a camera nor would i be able to angle it right.

You would probably get a fuzzy ceiling or something!!!

A fuzzy something would be right, I guess.

I am flusterd, what happened to the secret mans thread`

I was quite enjpying it

Back to boppy eeks

I am flusterd, what happened to the secret mans thread`

I was quite enjpying it

Back to boppy eeks