As the title suggests, shall we try and keep our personal differences to one side and try and debate in a practical manner.

Some of us have history, I suggest we let it go, if someone posts something inflamatory, pick apart the post not the person, if someone attacks you, unlock the post not the person, or ignore it.

Sometimes it is like watching a tennis match on a clay court, sometimes a volley gets through, but usually it is just batting the ball back, but generally without an end result.

I include myself in the above.

With all due respect its the grass court season maybe you have missed your opportunity but I'm sure it will be a fine tournament none the less.

Having never won there perhaps some guile and focus would be to everyone's benefit so yes I'm in total agreement.

There are no seasons here, it is always clay

Well that was a quick rally. Fancy another game?

And an honorable suggestion it is, Moss.

Right to get the ball rolling, the Saville enquiry has recently published its report. Who was right: the fine upstanding body of the British army that is the Parachute Regiment, or the Taigs?

Scouse.

I thought that is what happens here, you pick apart the post, the poster starts calling you names, you rise above, the poster starts hurling insults.......which on a forum is equivalent to a white flag

or you simply pi55 off the flamer by walking away......

I recently carefully deconstructed someones 'kick Samui' post and never got a reply. So next time someone has a silly pop at us I'll just hurl a few insults to ease my stress levels.

I hate it when people fail to realise the effort involved.

And an honorable suggestion it is, Moss.

Right to get the ball rolling, the Saville enquiry has recently published its report. Who was right: the fine upstanding body of the British army that is the Parachute Regiment, or the Taigs?

Scouse.

Well, according to my own suggestion, I can't call you a scouse shell suit wearing work shy benefit fraudster, so here goes.

As for reports regarding Bloody Sunday their are essentially two, one from Widgery and the other from Saville, one supported the paras and the other did not, one is discredited and the other has been widely received with credit.

The 'Taigs' for those that need to be reminded is a derogatory term rarely used outside Ireland, some parts of Scotland and obviously Liverpool in association with Roman Catholics of Ireland.

Few of the senior para Officers have been in line for criticism, excepting Wilford who disobeyed orders, yet Ford the most senior Para commander on the ground was heard to shout ' Go Paras Go'.

All of those killed that day have been unequivacally absolved of guilt or of membership of a proscribed organisation, yet some were shot in the back, one father was shot attending his dying son, and others fleeing the scene of a NICRA march not a demonstration supporting the armed struggle.

So who was right, in light of the above, make up your own mind, I have made mine.

Well that was a quick rally. Fancy another game?

The game is on

I thought that is what happens here, you pick apart the post, the poster starts calling you names, you rise above, the poster starts hurling insults.......which on a forum is equivalent to a white flag

or you simply pi55 off the flamer by walking away......

The first is what generally happens, the second one is more rare,

I live in hope we can all change, instead of the usual vitriolic hand grenade being lobbed to and fro, or on occasion a mercury tilt device primed to go off at a precise moment, perhaps the post and content should be scrutinised, not the person.

But Moss, you do Liverpool a disservice: it is the only city in Britain to have had an Irish nationalist MP elected. That the inhabitants then (generally) choose to wear shell-suits, be work-shy and commit benefit fraud is perhaps a testament to their heritage.

Anyway, back to the point: evidently, who is "right" vis-a-vis Bloody Sunday is never going to be established as one side will take Widgery, and the other Saville. My own opinion is that at least times have moved on since the '60s and '70s since when, at least superficially, Northern Irish society has become more cohesive.

Scouse.

You've got to admit though Moss, with some of the more static deliberate inflexible posters, the urge to jab and move, does get very strong......it's only playful really......

But Moss, you do Liverpool a disservice: it is the only city in Britain to have had an Irish nationalist MP elected. That the inhabitants then (generally) choose to wear shell-suits, be work-shy and commit benefit fraud is perhaps a testament to their heritage.

So old JP, son of a shop keeper and related to an officer of the British Army and an accolyte of Parnell, throw in educated at Queens and you have almost certainly a man ( bearing in mind the time period )of Protestant lineage, so on reflection the Shell suit, work shy and fraud, say no more........

nyway, back to the point: evidently, who is "right" vis-a-vis Bloody Sunday is never going to be established as one side will take Widgery, and the other Saville. My own opinion is that at least times have moved on since the '60s and '70s since when, at least superficially, Northern Irish society has become more cohesive.

I beg to differ, although it is your prerogative to choose whichever report is right, it is quite clear in all contempory reports which is the most exhaustive, complete and compelling, even the hard line Unionists no longer support Widgery, although as ever they do not accept Saville either.

We agree on one thing 38 years have passed and Ireland is a different world, there are inherant difficulties but the march is in the right direction.

By the way, what has the Vis magazine got to do with the Saville Report, pray tell?

You've got to admit though Moss, with some of the more static deliberate inflexible posters, the urge to jab and move, does get very strong......it's only playful really......

Errr, yes and no...............

...it is your prerogative to choose whichever report is right, ...

And (in my best Ian Paisley voice), it is your prerogative to agree with me!

By the way, there's no doubting that Ireland has gone through a lot of change in the preceding 30 years, but so has Northern Ireland.

When we are not in possession of the facts do we not merely give credit for the "truth" to that organisation that tells it like we want to hear it?

A kind of self censorship where we trawl through all the sources until we find what we are looking for then hang our hat on it.

One thing is for sure, the Saville enquiry made a few lawyers very rich but, in truth, produced no answers.

Great suggestion..

The way I understand it, one should not insult other posters unless they use an obscure dialect or slang that the mods and other posters will not understand. I don't know why no one ever thought of this before.

As in "awa and bile yer heid ye numpty"?

As in "awa and bile yer heid ye numpty"?

Who are you calling a numpty?

Don't start something now! Not in this thread anyway.

There's a fair bit of numptiness going around I can tell you.

And who's this Mossfinn bloke; the proclaimed "big man"?

When the Anglians were firing in from the old walls of Londonderry, the Paras weren't in sight. Saville has got it totally wrong, and Widgery was right.

And who's this Mossfinn bloke; the proclaimed "big man"?

When the Anglians were firing in from the old walls of Londonderry, the Paras weren't in sight. Saville has got it totally wrong, and Widgery was right.

Don't know what your problem is, we have had a drink in the past and now you are being plain protestant obfuscation.

You go on about Taigs, purely to antagonise the situation, make repeated statements about Northern Ireland, when we all know that the six North Eastern Counties are held under the point of a gun and gerrymandered borders.

Just what is your problem!!

As for the Anglians, yes the Para's took the blame but who cares it was legitamised murder on the scale of Burma or North Korea

It's easy for someone from the dreaming spires, betwixt the Isis and the Thames, to resolutely announce their "Irishness".

If the same logic is applied, I must be Welsh.

It's easy for someone from the dreaming spires, betwixt the Isis and the Thames, to resolutely announce their "Irishness".

If the same logic is applied, I must be Welsh.

I am neither betwixt nor between, just another who left the shadow of the Galtee's in'69 because of imperialist aspirations of a nation on its knees.

If you wish to be Welsh, so be it, I'd rather be a goat

And who's this Mossfinn bloke; the proclaimed "big man"?

When the Anglians were firing in from the old walls of Londonderry, the Paras weren't in sight. Saville has got it totally wrong, and Widgery was right.

Hmmm, On reflection, intersesting.

I haven't read Saville all the way through yet, and yet you talk of the Anglians, oft reported to be the instigator of the firing in early days, now less reported.

Are you well read, or were you there?

When we are not in possession of the facts do we not merely give credit for the "truth" to that organisation that tells it like we want to hear it?

A kind of self censorship where we trawl through all the sources until we find what we are looking for then hang our hat on it.

One thing is for sure, the Saville enquiry made a few lawyers very rich but, in truth, produced no answers.

Are you really saying Saville produced no answers Phil? Perhaps we have read differing documents.

..I haven't read Saville all the way through yet, ...

Presumably, you mean Jimmy's autobiography? After all, there is only one Saville! TOTP circa the '70's was the dog's!

By the way, every time I hear reference to Widgery, I can't help but conjure mental images of an antipodean instrument played by, inter alia, Rolf Harris.

That's probably because you like playing your didgerido.

As for non compliance of the subject matter, it is in line with normal practices here

That's probably because you like playing your didgerido...

Do you know why your dick's got a knob on the end?

So your hand doesn't fall off!

This thread is improving by the hour.