I say he fits well into my country because right now these disgusting behaviors are acceptable in my country.

Why specifically attack the U.S.? These are negative human traits and displayed by liberals, Conservatives, Jews, Christians, Muslims and everyone else. There are plenty of liars and racists and hypocrites in every country and culture on earth despite the current left-wing fashon to pretend that is mostly us.

I say he fits well into my country because right now these disgusting behaviors are acceptable in my country.

Why specifically attack the U.S.? These are negative human traits and displayed by liberals, Conservatives, Jews, Christians, Muslims and everyone else. There are plenty of liars and racists and hypocrites in every country and culture on earth despite the current left-wing fashon to pretend that is mostly us.

In all due respect you are right UG. I am feeling lately that in American these problems are getting out of hand, so I leaped to suggest that Gibson fits in well with it. In hindsight that is childish of me.

However, let me say that true conservatism in America is buried beneath the overly emotional closet bigots and elitist. It is not just a media bent either, too many of the folks running the conservative side of things have let too much personal opinion slip. Like the Tea Party lady from Nevada, just for starters. I will not pretend that the same evil ideas are on the other side however. The extremes are always guilty hate.

I believed that the Conservatives/Republicans were often racists when I was young and I still think that I was right, but the whole country has changed since then, and , in general, I think that is no longer true.

I am thinking our bebopper should use his time traveling around the world and see how it really works rather than wasting his time trying to learn something from a Thai forum.

It apparantly isn't adding much to his knowledge base.

I have two friends from Scotland. They are really both good friends. If they don’t see me at my usual haunts they call me up. If I don’t answer my phone one of them will drop by my house to make sure I am OK. Once I was a bit ill and they both came by to offer assistance like going to the market or pharmacy or anything I needed.

We are unusual friends in that it is difficult for me to understand what they are saying unless I really concentrate. On the phone it is really difficult. Nevertheless I try.

One is a protestant and one is a catholic. When they drink or the moon is right or something all heck breaks loose.

And then, of course there is the Irish. I have a lot of Irish friends.

When I lived in America I was unfamiliar with the extent of these problems in the UK.

Travel does broaden ones outlook.

Even in America there are many unusual groupings of people and contradictory stereotypes. Take the Mexicans in Texas. There are the wetbacks and the Mexicans who have been there for hundreds of years and own a substantial portion of the state. Wetbacks are great workers. Redneck old family Mexicans are poor workers. If one has never lived in South Texas the redneck old family Mexicans are the same as white trash but have a darker complexion. I’ve used illegal Mexican labor in restaurants all over the US and without exception they were great except South Texas.

I have prejudices built on employing minimum wage labor all over the world. I have prejudices built on the dollars and cents of hiring large numbers of people. You don’t have to be right in each instance but on average you have to be right to make money. In South Texas I hired black women. For the same job in Chicago I hired Mexican men. Racial profiling? Sure. Open a new restaurant hire a hundred new people in a couple of days. Half can’t speak English. So you resort to profiling.

In Thailand I lean towards hiring women even if the work is strenuous.

If you think America has big problems with racism and the rest of your extensive list then you have either never been outside of the country much or kept your eyes closed while abroad. Seriously.

And, yes, America can improve in a lot of ways. Every place and every person could stand with some improvement as well. Even the people who are victimized in one way or another aren't perfect and could use some of the same improvement. Nobody's perfect - not even Jessica Alba.

I have never been outside America much to my dismay. Are you trying to suggest that other countries are worse than America when it comes to the social ills I mentioned? Yes, I am aware of that. Still doesn't change how I feel about them and still doesn't address why Gibson is wrong to engage in such behavior. You are saying that a person should be forgiven what they have done just because someone else did something worse than them. What kind of logic is that?

Next, the imperfection of a victim does not give justification to their victimization. Just because a person isn't perfect, by whatever standard you measure perfection, doesn't mean that they deserve to be victimized or that their attacker should be absolved of their crime, because of the imperfection of their victim. What kind of childish logic is that? I am sure Mr. Gibson felt his girlfriend was imperfect, which is why he hit her, threaten to burn her house down and force her to perform oral sex. By your logic, he should be forgiven, because she is not perfect and she shouldn't be offended or maybe even submit herself to his tender mercies all because she is human and therefore imperfect. I am stunned at your lack compassion, something I thought was a human trait, 'imperfect' perhaps but still human.

I'm not excusing anything the Gibson did. Nor am I saying victims are to blame. You are making things up in order to strengthen your position in your own mind.

I was standing outside a bar the other day with some other guys waiting for it to open. Myself (American), a Swede, German, Irishman, Egyptian and a local. The local told us he was born just around the corner and still couldn't get into bars based on the color of his skin - unless he's with someone who is white. Go ahead, google "racism Dubai" and read the forums for yourself. Your eyes will be opened. If a woman is by herself at night, she is considered a prostitute. I read something where one taxi driver demanded sex from a woman he picked up and when she refused, he took her to the police where she was thrown in jail. All of this is in very westernized, modern Dubai. I'll assume everyone here is more aware of what happens in neighboring countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

I believed that the Conservatives/Republicans were often racists when I was young and I still think that I was right, but the whole country has changed since then, and , in general, I think that is no longer true.

I think it depends on what state they come from. The conservatives in the Southwest are pretty open about their dislike of Mexicans. Republicans from other districts, maybe not so much.

Bill Maher nailed it. Paraphrasing closely --

"Not all republicans are racists but if I meet a racist, chances are, they are a republican."

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Agreed. The whole world knows he is a jagoff now. Keep spewing the hate, Mel.

Urban Dictionary: Jagoff

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A rude assholelike person. originated in pittsburgh.

I am thinking our bebopper should use his time traveling around the world and see how it really works rather than wasting his time trying to learn something from a Thai forum.

It apparantly isn't adding much to his knowledge base.

Well, I am happy for you that you have had such opportunities. I have not been so fortunate. I had jobs through high school so I could pay rent, and finish high school. I have in the last eight years had to take care of my family and earn a higher education to get a job that pays me more than fast food wages. So, I have not had the money to happily leap from country to country learning about the world. I have however amazed myself at what a person can learn by listening and thinking.

I do take issue with you attacking my knowledge. In what way have I shown a lack of understanding? I have spoken on how I feel about what Mr. Gibson has done, no one else, and I have stated that these actions are morally unacceptable. What other cultures around the world think on these issues is meaningless. I am not discussing them and if they would defend his actions I would condemn them as well as morally unacceptable. Are you suggesting I travel the world to realize just how racists non-Americans are, because I can't learn that from a Thai forum? I am apparently learning this fact very well from you at this forum, need I leave America then?

Please, chucker, take the time to post something better than this. If you want to disagree with me by all means do so, but do so with logic, or just say, "I don't see it that way, Mr. Gibson is well with in his rights to behave this way as this is how people do things in Saudi Arabia. I should know, I have traveled the world and increased my knowledge base."

If you think America has big problems with racism and the rest of your extensive list then you have either never been outside of the country much or kept your eyes closed while abroad. Seriously.

And, yes, America can improve in a lot of ways. Every place and every person could stand with some improvement as well. Even the people who are victimized in one way or another aren't perfect and could use some of the same improvement. Nobody's perfect - not even Jessica Alba.

I have never been outside America much to my dismay. Are you trying to suggest that other countries are worse than America when it comes to the social ills I mentioned? Yes, I am aware of that. Still doesn't change how I feel about them and still doesn't address why Gibson is wrong to engage in such behavior. You are saying that a person should be forgiven what they have done just because someone else did something worse than them. What kind of logic is that?

Next, the imperfection of a victim does not give justification to their victimization. Just because a person isn't perfect, by whatever standard you measure perfection, doesn't mean that they deserve to be victimized or that their attacker should be absolved of their crime, because of the imperfection of their victim. What kind of childish logic is that? I am sure Mr. Gibson felt his girlfriend was imperfect, which is why he hit her, threaten to burn her house down and force her to perform oral sex. By your logic, he should be forgiven, because she is not perfect and she shouldn't be offended or maybe even submit herself to his tender mercies all because she is human and therefore imperfect. I am stunned at your lack compassion, something I thought was a human trait, 'imperfect' perhaps but still human.

I'm not excusing anything the Gibson did. Nor am I saying victims are to blame. You are making things up in order to strengthen your position in your own mind.

I was standing outside a bar the other day with some other guys waiting for it to open. Myself (American), a Swede, German, Irishman, Egyptian and a local. The local told us he was born just around the corner and still couldn't get into bars based on the color of his skin - unless he's with someone who is white. Go ahead, google "racism Dubai" and read the forums for yourself. Your eyes will be opened. If a woman is by herself at night, she is considered a prostitute. I read something where one taxi driver demanded sex from a woman he picked up and when she refused, he took her to the police where she was thrown in jail. All of this is in very westernized, modern Dubai. I'll assume everyone here is more aware of what happens in neighboring countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

No, koheesit, you are proving my point. Just because these horrible ideas on race occur outside of America, doesn't make them right and doesn't excuse nor justify Gibson's behavior. You are saying that just because Johnny does it than Mark should be able to do it as well. Just because mass murder was committed in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge, than no one should get upset when it occurs Burma under the Junta. So, this issue is a bigger problem in Saudi Arabia, than America, this still doesn't excuse Gibson's behavior in America.

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Of course, he has every right to say these horrible things, except threaten rape, that is a threat and against our laws here. Also, he can't hit people that is also against our laws. He can call people names and wish nasty terrible things upon them without going to jail, yes. Freedom of speech. Also, the rest of us can condemn him as bigot and generally nasty human being, that is also freedom of speech. So, I am not sure what you are complaining about, everyone here is exercising freedom of speech.

As far as it being between him and who he offended, would you say this same thing if one of the posters here was black, Mexican, or Jewish and therefore included in his rants? According to you than that person would have every right to speak out against him. What is the difference between that individual, included in Gibson's rants, and someone who isn't exercising their freedom of speech to condemn Gibson's behavior? Sounds to me like your wasting your own time arguing with yourself.

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Of course, he has every right to say these horrible things, except threaten rape, that is a threat and against our laws here. Also, he can't hit people that is also against our laws. He can call people names and wish nasty terrible things upon them without going to jail, yes. Freedom of speech. Also, the rest of us can condemn him as bigot and generally nasty human being, that is also freedom of speech. So, I am not sure what you are complaining about, everyone here is exercising freedom of speech.

As far as it being between him and who he offended, would you say this same thing if one of the posters here was black, Mexican, or Jewish and therefore included in his rants? According to you than that person would have every right to speak out against him. What is the difference between that individual, included in Gibson's rants, and someone who isn't exercising their freedom of speech to condemn Gibson's behavior? Sounds to me like your wasting your own time arguing with yourself.

I basically agree with all you have been saying. I think that what you may have missed is that Mel Gibson's mistake was his "anti-semite" comments a while back. That immediately left him as a target for the media for the rest of his life.

Did you not realise that an anti-semite is a worse bigot than a racist of any other flavour?

And don't mind chuck. That's just his way. He will attack your intelligence rather than debate your argument, and never see the irony of it. He is under the impression that being a man of such advanced years automatically makes him more knowledgable than anyone younger than him (ie, everyone).

I think that what you may have missed is that Mel Gibson's mistake was his "anti-semite" comments a while back. That immediately left him as a target for the media for the rest of his life.

Did you not realise that an anti-semite is a worse bigot than a racist of any other flavour?

It seems as if Mel is not the only one who has a problem with Jews. How many times are you going to repeat this trite bit of redneck "wisdom" without realizing that it makes all the "liberal" left-wing gibberish that you continually spout seem like complete and utter nonsense? :jerk:

Bill Maher nailed it. Paraphrasing closely --

"Not all republicans are racists but if I meet a racist, chances are, they are a republican."

Maybe he should read some of Michelle Malkin's mail or some of the "liberal" posts in Outside the Box.

You've got hate mail: Liberal racism gone wild!

By Michelle Malkin July 8, 2010 12:45 AM

My appearance on Hannity tonight to talk about the dirty DOJ, the Arizona lawsuit, and the New Black Panther Party thugs (you can watch the segment here and read all my previous NBPP reporting/blog posts here) seems to have hit a special nerve with liberal racists. In fact, my support for the Arizona immigration enforcement law has resulted in quite the spike in hate mail over the last several months. It's been a while since I opened the hate mail bag up for you and let you have a peek.

Enjoy (language warning, as usual):

My personal favorite…

from Willma Harvey [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:30 PM

subject Sit Down

mailed-by gmail.com

signed-by gmail.com

hide details 10:30 PM (7 minutes ago)

I saw you on Fox News tonight. Take my advice: GO SIT YOUR BLACK ASS DOWN!!!!!!!!!! As Black as you are, you would be one of the first person's racially profiled if you went to Arizona.

Willma Harvey

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Another skin color-obsessed hater…

from [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM

subject illegal aliens

mailed-by aol.com

hide details 10:27 PM (10 minutes ago)

Take a look in the mirror, "YOU" yourself Michelle, you look more Hispanic "ILLEGAL ALIEN" than most hispanics that i know! you have dark indiginous skin! Please DO NOT go to Arizona because you might or will get Arrested, because of your looks, wake up!

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Charming…

from Marc Bregman [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:11 PM

subject TIP!!!!!!!!!!

mailed-by gmail.com

signed-by gmail.com

hide details 7:11 PM (3 hours ago)

Hey lying piece of shit? Were your parents legal immigrants? Tell us the truth…cun_t

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He's calling me pathetic?

from George Dunn

to [email protected]

date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:06 PM

subject How Does a Dishonest cun_t Like You Exist?

hide details 7:06 PM (3 hours ago)

You are a true pathetic human being. Sad actually.

George Dunn, P.E.

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"Clever!"…

from Mike glatt@makoche.com

to [email protected]

date Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:31 AM

subject citizen

mailed-by makoche.com

hide details Jun 30 (8 days ago)

Show me" your" papers……cun_t

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Cheep, cheep…

from M K [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:51 PM

mailed-by yahoo.com

signed-by yahoo.com

hide details Jun 27 (10 days ago)

You are a shitty Filipino prostitute, your only hope is to marry a white man. you are cheep and ugly. When I look to your ugly Filipino eyes , I feel ,I want to throw up. You want to be white but you are not. You are a shitty Asian horn and you will be for the rest of your life. Clean your rotten cun_t before you write Filipino monkey.

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Somehow, I get the feeling he's not "enjoying his day"…

from James Weatherwax [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 6:09 AM

subject Your comments

mailed-by yahoo.com

signed-by yahoo.com

hide details Jun 24

You're just an angry cun_t. Your vitriol towards this President and the administration goes a lot deeper than on just a political level. You might want to look into some good therapy.

I just shake my head and go enjoy my day.

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Ah, tolerance…

from j [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM

subject Hi

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signed-by gmail.com

hide details May 19

You are a fuc_king cun_t

I hope you, your hubby and kids die in a car accident

Have a great day

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Someone needs to soap his mouth…

from Jay Garcia [email protected]

to [email protected]

date Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:52 PM

subject A Fan with a question

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signed-by yahoo.com

hide details May 18

Dear Michelle Malkin

What's up with all your racist rants against Latinos?

I every so often will look at your blog to see what up with the fringe element from the right, and you do seem to have your pulse on what's going on with the "teabaggers" and the extremist right-wingers in the Republican party.( hel_l are there any moderates left in the republican party?)

I get a kick reading your right-wing blog and love it when they quote that dumb shit Sarah Palin. Is there anybody more stupid then her? Perhaps Michele Bachmann? I just love the rising stars in the GOP Palin/Bachmann 2012! Of course I don't think they are racist enought so perhaps they could hire you Michele as their mouth piece. Of course that's only when you aren't sucking dicks of the religious right gun toting <deleted> in the republican party?

But lately when I turn to your blog to see what's up with the fringe right. I see almost nothing but racist rants about Latinos, and how they are all gang bangers, criminals, drunks and child molesters who are a danger to the good white citizens of the USA.

You got a lot of nerve Michelle. What makes you think your so special Michelle? Have you looked in the mirror Michelle? Because the pictures I have seen of you. You look like a filipina cun_t whore! What did Adam Carolla say about your Motherland? That's right he said that country has nothing going for it except sex tourism and praying to chicken bones.

Yeah sucking "teabagger" cock is all you are good for Michelle and writing in your stupid blog. You think 'Fox News" will ever hire a bitch like you? Nah, they might use you for a cock tease once in awhile but because your not white they won't hire you. hel_l your not even a real Asian Michelle. What are you a Pacific Islander? But who really gives a shit? Suck Bill O'Reilly cock maybe he"ll let you guest host more?

So go on Michelle with all your racist rants. But remember one thing: Those racist white-wingers you are trying so hard to please with you racist rants think slut right-wing whores like you aren't their equal, but that you are no better than the Blacks, Latinos, and Muslims that you love to bash. The only reason why they pretend to listen to you is because filipina whores are among the cheapest whores in the world who often take it up the ass for no extra charge.

But hey thanks Michelle for keeping me up to date what the crazed right-winger are thinking about.

Your friend Jay.

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Of course, he has every right to say these horrible things, except threaten rape, that is a threat and against our laws here. Also, he can't hit people that is also against our laws. He can call people names and wish nasty terrible things upon them without going to jail, yes. Freedom of speech. Also, the rest of us can condemn him as bigot and generally nasty human being, that is also freedom of speech. So, I am not sure what you are complaining about, everyone here is exercising freedom of speech.

As far as it being between him and who he offended, would you say this same thing if one of the posters here was black, Mexican, or Jewish and therefore included in his rants? According to you than that person would have every right to speak out against him. What is the difference between that individual, included in Gibson's rants, and someone who isn't exercising their freedom of speech to condemn Gibson's behavior? Sounds to me like your wasting your own time arguing with yourself.

I basically agree with all you have been saying. I think that what you may have missed is that Mel Gibson's mistake was his "anti-semite" comments a while back. That immediately left him as a target for the media for the rest of his life.

Did you not realise that an anti-semite is a worse bigot than a racist of any other flavour?

And don't mind chuck. That's just his way. He will attack your intelligence rather than debate your argument, and never see the irony of it. He is under the impression that being a man of such advanced years automatically makes him more knowledgable than anyone younger than him (ie, everyone).

Oh, I know Chuck well. He may not remember me but we have had a go at it a couple times and once I got him out of his shell we found common ground, he's a good guy.

As far as the anti-semite being the worst, can't say I see that. At least in America any act of racism, by note worthy people, is well covered and discussed. The only thing I think I see is that a white person spouting racism will always make news, however, any one else, non-white, can go under the radar, not all the time but sometimes. I remember quite well the famous Lauryn Hill making racist comments about white people, saying things like "I don't want white people to buy my albums, I'd rather have my kids starve" at they still gave her a Grammy. The only person I know that really spoke out on it was Eminem, making jokes about her in his songs. So, I do feel that whites are more closely monitored for racism.

Bill Maher nailed it. Paraphrasing closely --

"Not all republicans are racists but if I meet a racist, chances are, they are a republican."

Maybe he should read some of Michelle Malkin's mail or some of the "liberal" posts in Outside the Box.

Oh, I don't know UG, she has said some pretty stupid things. I wouldn't call it racism, but they are comments that come from someone who grew up in a bubble in the burbs, pretty callous and not well thought out. I don't think that e-mails like this however are way to address her remarks. They are uncivil and hateful. She is pretty much higher though just so Fox can say "See, we have minorities working for us."

Why don't you point out some of these things so that we can judge for ourselves? Insinuating that Fox only hired her to not appear racist, makes me suspicious of your conclusions. I think that they hired because she is articulate and attractive and shares their point of view - the same reasons that they would hire a white person to be a commentator on TV.

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Of course, he has every right to say these horrible things, except threaten rape, that is a threat and against our laws here. Also, he can't hit people that is also against our laws. He can call people names and wish nasty terrible things upon them without going to jail, yes. Freedom of speech. Also, the rest of us can condemn him as bigot and generally nasty human being, that is also freedom of speech. So, I am not sure what you are complaining about, everyone here is exercising freedom of speech.

As far as it being between him and who he offended, would you say this same thing if one of the posters here was black, Mexican, or Jewish and therefore included in his rants? According to you than that person would have every right to speak out against him. What is the difference between that individual, included in Gibson's rants, and someone who isn't exercising their freedom of speech to condemn Gibson's behavior? Sounds to me like your wasting your own time arguing with yourself.

My point is that what people say never really amounts to much unless it's followed up by actions or incites others to action. In any case instances which violate the law can be dealt with accordingly.

If Mel doesn't like Jews he has the liberty to say so, either privately or publicly. Jews have the right to label Mel an anti-semite. No need for public debate or apologies.

Reminds me of something I learned in kindergarten: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." Seems like some adults really need to grow up.

I believed that the Conservatives/Republicans were often racists when I was young and I still think that I was right, but the whole country has changed since then, and , in general, I think that is no longer true.

I think it depends on what state they come from. The conservatives in the Southwest are pretty open about their dislike of Mexicans. Republicans from other districts, maybe not so much.

Democrats are the most racist of the bunch, they just hide it better behind a facade of "caring". Republicans/Conservative think minorities should work hard and go to school if they want to be successful - just like anyone else. Democrats/Liberal don't think these minorities are intelligent enough to succeed without a helping hand from the government even in this day and age. In addition, Dem policies keep minorities from succeeding (teaching Eubonics or Spanish to children instead of English for one), keeping them an "oppressed" group that they can milk for votes each election.

No, koheesit, you are proving my point. Just because these horrible ideas on race occur outside of America, doesn't make them right and doesn't excuse nor justify Gibson's behavior. You are saying that just because Johnny does it than Mark should be able to do it as well. Just because mass murder was committed in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge, than no one should get upset when it occurs Burma under the Junta. So, this issue is a bigger problem in Saudi Arabia, than America, this still doesn't excuse Gibson's behavior in America.

No, it's not about making excuses because it happens elsewhere. YOU help America up as an example of intolerance in the world. That is a joke to anyone who has been around. Is America perfect? No, but when it comes to treatment of ethnic minorities, women, religious groups,or gays, it's a lot closer than all but maybe a handful of countries.

I do take issue with you attacking my knowledge. In what way have I shown a lack of understanding? I have spoken on how I feel about what Mr. Gibson has done, no one else, and I have stated that these actions are morally unacceptable.

No, you painted all of America with the broad brush of racism and intolerance. In doing so, you have shown a huge lack of understanding.

Mel Gibson attacked the woman verbally and physically. That is a no no.

Mel Gibson wanted to kill her and bury her in the garden. That is a no no.

Mel Gibson wanted to have her gang raped by a bunch of n....gers. That is a no no.

Mel Gibson has been dropped by his Agent. That is a good good.

Basta - sad old washed up actor, who, in my mind, never made very good films anyway.

When's good ol' Mel going to have a pop at the gays? I'm feeling a bit left out

Been there. Done that.

http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Entertainment_News/Mels_Meltdowns_Included_Antigay_Speech/

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Of course, he has every right to say these horrible things, except threaten rape, that is a threat and against our laws here. Also, he can't hit people that is also against our laws. He can call people names and wish nasty terrible things upon them without going to jail, yes. Freedom of speech. Also, the rest of us can condemn him as bigot and generally nasty human being, that is also freedom of speech. So, I am not sure what you are complaining about, everyone here is exercising freedom of speech.

As far as it being between him and who he offended, would you say this same thing if one of the posters here was black, Mexican, or Jewish and therefore included in his rants? According to you than that person would have every right to speak out against him. What is the difference between that individual, included in Gibson's rants, and someone who isn't exercising their freedom of speech to condemn Gibson's behavior? Sounds to me like your wasting your own time arguing with yourself.

My point is that what people say never really amounts to much unless it's followed up by actions or incites others to action. In any case instances which violate the law can be dealt with accordingly.

If Mel doesn't like Jews he has the liberty to say so, either privately or publicly. Jews have the right to label Mel an anti-semite. No need for public debate or apologies.

Reminds me of something I learned in kindergarten: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." Seems like some adults really need to grow up.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but a punch in the face will hurt. In your defense of Mel's right to free speech you fail to address the fact that he does not have the right to threaten or hit another human being.

Excellent point (where is the butt smooching emoticon?)

Undoubtedly Mel does not put much stock in the saying "don't mess with my wife, dog or truck" Sure hope he keeps the truck serviced and treats his dog better than the wife. The next group after him will be the animal police and those women, look capable of poling pigs for acorns.

Whatever happened to free speech ? Mel can say whatever he likes. If something he says offends someone then that's between him and the person or group he offended and nobody else's business. Better someone who's not scared to say they think rather than someone who holds it in because they are scared of being seen as not PC.

Of course, he has every right to say these horrible things, except threaten rape, that is a threat and against our laws here. Also, he can't hit people that is also against our laws. He can call people names and wish nasty terrible things upon them without going to jail, yes. Freedom of speech. Also, the rest of us can condemn him as bigot and generally nasty human being, that is also freedom of speech. So, I am not sure what you are complaining about, everyone here is exercising freedom of speech.

As far as it being between him and who he offended, would you say this same thing if one of the posters here was black, Mexican, or Jewish and therefore included in his rants? According to you than that person would have every right to speak out against him. What is the difference between that individual, included in Gibson's rants, and someone who isn't exercising their freedom of speech to condemn Gibson's behavior? Sounds to me like your wasting your own time arguing with yourself.

... He is under the impression that being a man of such advanced years automatically makes him more knowledgable than anyone younger than him (ie, everyone).

No, not just anyone, but you two for certain.