Personally, I'm against it. Building a mosque there is insensitive and in bad taste.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/20/eveningnews/main6696724.shtml

(CBS) There's a heated debate in New York over plans to build a mosque near the World Trade Center site.

Opponents call it a mosque that's in the worst possible place.

"This site should be turned into a museum," said one New Yorker.

Supporters call it a cultural center in the best spot to encourage understanding.

"If a mosque were built then you guys would know what Islam is about," said mosque advocate Dania Darwish.

At issue, a building in lower Manhattan, the proposed site of a 13-story community center and Islamic prayer space, reports CBS News correspondent Jeff Glor.

"This is the Muslim community's effort to rebuild Manhattan," said Park 51 Project spokeswoman Daisy Khan.

I remember a couple weeks ago when this debate started and there was a mooslim woman stood up and said something to the effect that there were already hundreds of mosques in NYC, what's the deal about 1 more? Uh uh! Not this one, and defintely not there. Build it out west in the deserts of Nevada so they'll feel at home!

I do not want to see a mosque there at all. I hope they are blocked from building this monstrosity.

I don't see the connection. Are the opponants of this mosque opposed because the alleged 911 perpetrators happened to be Muslim?

It never was a holy war (despite the Texan village idiot's crusade comments), so why confuse religion with politics now?

I don't see the connection.

Well, that explains a lot.

I thought the USA was the land of the free (or is that the home of the free?) and a secular country to boot? Would an Ubosot or a Gurdwara be ok?

I don't see the connection. Are the opponants of this mosque opposed because the alleged 911 perpetrators happened to be Muslim?

It never was a holy war (despite the Texan village idiot's crusade comments), so why confuse religion with politics now?

What's alleged about the 9/11 Islamic terrorists that killed 3,000 people?

the alleged 911 perpetrators

I thought the USA was the land of the free

Would you look at a memorial statue of Dan White in the Castro District of San Francisco in such an open-minded way?

This is all about common sense.

Call the US what you like ( liberal, secular...). But the reality is in any major city in the country ( any country ), never mind NYC, the events of 911 stir heated emotion and debate. Surly what's needed at such an emotive site is a peaceful monument to such an enormous tragedy, where people can come to terms with their grief and mourn the sad loss of so many innocent lives?

What's not needed, is a religious temple of any denomination that will rise the seeds of hatred instead of reconciliation.

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Did you learned liberals know it is against the law to wear the symbol of a Cross in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that possession of a Bible is against the law in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know it is against the law to hold Christian services in the privacy of your own home in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

Many years ago a group of Mormons got together early one Friday (holy day in Saudi) and decided to hold a baptism in the waters of the Red Sea in Yanbu Al Bahr. Somehow word leaked back to the religious police and most of them were deported within three days.

Now all you agnostics and atheists can wade in on this and vent your overgrown spleen at my post.

729!

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Right on!

(despite the Texan village idiot's crusade comments)

Thank you, thank you very much.

The construction of this mosque would be the utmost of a slap to the face of all who lost loved ones. It is also apparent that the backers of this mosque are not very open about where their loyalties lie and where the money is coming from:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/mosque-grows-near-brooklyn

Follow the money.

Some/several NY politicians are getting paid a bucket full of cash to get this thing through.

NY politics is nearly as crooked as are the Chicago and Illinois versions.

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

KCEPOKC (Kseroks) is how it's spelled in Russian. Pass it on and let the banning begin!

Seriously, anyone who can't see what the big deal is about building a mosque near the spot where radical Islamic terrorists crashed two planes into one of the world's tallest buildings killing nearly 3,000 people from dozens of nations in the name of Allah, is in need of help.

The only way around it (and it will never happen) is for the mosque to be built with US taxpayer's money instead of mystery donations from abroad, and the US gov't gets in the business of religion and supplies the Iman and controls everything that goes on and is said inside the mosque to assure it is this mythical "religion of peace" being propogated inside and not radicalism.

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

KCEPOKC (Kseroks) is how it's spelled in Russian. Pass it on and let the banning begin!

Seriously, anyone who can't see what the big deal is about building a mosque near the spot where radical Islamic terrorists crashed two planes into one of the world's tallest buildings killing nearly 3,000 people from dozens of nations in the name of Allah, is in need of help.

The only way around it (and it will never happen) is for the mosque to be built with US taxpayer's money instead of mystery donations from abroad, and the US gov't gets in the business of religion and supplies the Iman and controls everything that goes on and is said inside the mosque to assure it is this mythical "religion of peace" being propogated inside and not radicalism.

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Did you learned liberals know it is against the law to wear the symbol of a Cross in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that possession of a Bible is against the law in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know it is against the law to hold Christian services in the privacy of your own home in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

Many years ago a group of Mormons got together early one Friday (holy day in Saudi) and decided to hold a baptism in the waters of the Red Sea in Yanbu Al Bahr. Somehow word leaked back to the religious police and most of them were deported within three days.

Now all you agnostics and atheists can wade in on this and vent your overgrown spleen at my post.

729!

chuck,

I am hoping our learned friend Naam (or others in the know) can help us out here, as living in Saudi, I would like to learn more. I was talking to a Saudi a few weeks ago and he mentioned that there is a huge Jewish Arab tribe(s) in Saudi Arabia. Apparently their settlements go back centuries. How and where they pray and what symbols they wear etc I don't know but I would like to know more.

Naam ?

As for building a Mosque near ground zero. Well, it's nothing short of incitement IMO.

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Did you learned liberals know it is against the law to wear the symbol of a Cross in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that possession of a Bible is against the law in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know it is against the law to hold Christian services in the privacy of your own home in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

Many years ago a group of Mormons got together early one Friday (holy day in Saudi) and decided to hold a baptism in the waters of the Red Sea in Yanbu Al Bahr. Somehow word leaked back to the religious police and most of them were deported within three days.

Now all you agnostics and atheists can wade in on this and vent your overgrown spleen at my post.

729!

chuck,

I am hoping our learned friend Naam (or others in the know) can help us out here, as living in Saudi, I would like to learn more. I was talking to a Saudi a few weeks ago and he mentioned that there is a huge Jewish Arab tribe(s) in Saudi Arabia. Apparently their settlements go back centuries. How and where they pray and what symbols they wear etc I don't know but I would like to know more.

Naam ?

As for building a Mosque near ground zero. Well, it's nothing short of incitement IMO.

I know nothing about a Jewish tribe living in Saudi.

It is alleged Mohammed the Prophet had a Jewish wife. If that be true, I suppose it would be possible but I would think highly unlikely in today's world.

PS: Did the visa work out for your wife? PM an answer so we can't be accused of hijacking the thread.

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Did you learned liberals know it is against the law to wear the symbol of a Cross in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that possession of a Bible is against the law in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know it is against the law to hold Christian services in the privacy of your own home in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

Many years ago a group of Mormons got together early one Friday (holy day in Saudi) and decided to hold a baptism in the waters of the Red Sea in Yanbu Al Bahr. Somehow word leaked back to the religious police and most of them were deported within three days.

Now all you agnostics and atheists can wade in on this and vent your overgrown spleen at my post.

729!

I don't see what the non-secular rules of another country has got to do with a mosque in NYC.

What you put forward seems to be an argument against building a mosque anywhere within the US.....which is a completely different debate.

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Did you learned liberals know it is against the law to wear the symbol of a Cross in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that possession of a Bible is against the law in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know it is against the law to hold Christian services in the privacy of your own home in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

Many years ago a group of Mormons got together early one Friday (holy day in Saudi) and decided to hold a baptism in the waters of the Red Sea in Yanbu Al Bahr. Somehow word leaked back to the religious police and most of them were deported within three days.

Now all you agnostics and atheists can wade in on this and vent your overgrown spleen at my post.

729!

I don't see what the non-secular rules of another country has got to do with a mosque in NYC.

What you put forward seems to be an argument against building a mosque anywhere within the US.....which is a completely different debate.

Both of you are " broadening " this issue.

Ground zero, NYC, Mosque.

Provocative and distasteful to the vast majority. Not only that, designed to be provocative, thus inflammatory and in no way a simple building for Islamic learning. Outrageous.

I don't see the connection. Are the opponants of this mosque opposed because the alleged 911 perpetrators happened to be Muslim?

It never was a holy war (despite the Texan village idiot's crusade comments), so why confuse religion with politics now?

What's alleged about the 9/11 Islamic terrorists that killed 3,000 people?

I am sure you know what is alleged against those terrorists.

If you're implying that there is nothing "alleged", and that it is all proven, then I am sure many of us would like to see that proof. We've had that inconclusive debate on this forum.

What you are trying to say is that Mossad and the CIA did it.

When there is a building permit issued to construct a Protestant Church in Mecca, Medina or Naam's beloved Jeddah, then permission could be given to build this Mosque where the Muslim community wants to build it.

Did you learned liberals know it is against the law to wear the symbol of a Cross in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that possession of a Bible is against the law in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know it is against the law to hold Christian services in the privacy of your own home in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know there was an Islamic cleric several years ago that came up with the idea that the letter "X" should be banned from Saudi Arabia since it represents the Cross of St. Andrews? This was turned down since none of the other clerics could figure out how Xerox should be spelled.

Many years ago a group of Mormons got together early one Friday (holy day in Saudi) and decided to hold a baptism in the waters of the Red Sea in Yanbu Al Bahr. Somehow word leaked back to the religious police and most of them were deported within three days.

Now all you agnostics and atheists can wade in on this and vent your overgrown spleen at my post.

729!

I don't see what the non-secular rules of another country has got to do with a mosque in NYC.

What you put forward seems to be an argument against building a mosque anywhere within the US.....which is a completely different debate.

Both of you are " broadening " this issue.

Ground zero, NYC, Mosque.

Provocative and distasteful to the vast majority. Not only that, designed to be provocative, thus inflammatory and in no way a simple building for Islamic learning. Outrageous.

Designed to be provocative? I think you are guessing there.

"Provocative and distasteful to the vast majority..". Yes it is, but it shouldn't be. The focus has gone from a terrorist group, to the alleged religion of that group, despite the fact that many many millions of followers of that religion never agreed with, never supported, never condoned the crime, and in fact decry it. The alleged perps had the religion, but they were not representatives of that religion.

All the opponants of the mosque see is the religion of the alleged perps. If the perps had been Christian, would it have been distasteful and provocative to build a church there? If the perps loved beer, would it be distastefull to build a pub there? If the perps were students, would it be distasteful to build a school there?

It's silly, petty, narrow-minded, simple-minded and incorrect to focus on the religion and how that religion has a tenuous alleged connection to a place in space.

I don't see the connection.

Well, that explains a lot.

It's silly, petty, narrow-minded, simple-minded and incorrect to focus on the religion and how that religion has a tenuous alleged connection to a place in space. Hence there is no connection in my mind.

Wafa Sultan: A Mosque at Ground Zero Equals Victory

"It is crucial to study the supremacist ideology of Islam and to recognize, for example, that the building of a mosque especially at Ground Zero is viewed by Muslims as a decisive victory over the infidels in Islam's march to establish its ultimate goal: the submission of all others to Islam and to Sharia Law."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/wafa-sultan-a-mosque-at-ground-zero-equals-victory.html

I don't see the connection.

Well, that explains a lot.

It's silly, petty, narrow-minded, simple-minded and incorrect to focus on the religion and how that religion has a tenuous alleged connection to a place in space. Hence there is no connection in my mind.

So tell me, knowing the sh%%$%^te storm such a building would cause, why do they want to build at ground zero ?

Do you think that it is possible that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, love peace? Do you think that Muslims are any less pious or altruistic than Christians?

Can you not credit a group of Muslims in NYC to abhor what happened and thus want to build a place of God and Peace (in their eyes) in deference to that site?

3 questions there......

But to your response.... "So tell me, knowing the sh%%$%^te storm such a building would cause, why do they want to build at ground zero ?"

OK....there's a little bit of "do you still beat your wife?" there.......there should not be a shit-storm because the religion has nothing to do with what happened.

Did the attack occur because of a conflict between Islam and Christianity, or Islam and anything else, or did the attack occur for political reasons?

The ones who could answer the question as to why the attack took place are not here to answer and if they were, the answers might be varied.

The idea of construction in this case, may be like the attempt to put out a fire with gasoline. Sounds like some group/individuals pulling someone's chain to get a reaction. Some may say its to bad the trolls in society cannot be handled like those on TV.

Did the attack occur because of a conflict between Islam and Christianity, or Islam and anything else, or did the attack occur for political reasons?

What does it matter? They killed 3,00 innocent people.

Do you think that it is possible that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, love peace? Do you think that Muslims are any less pious or altruistic than Christians?

Can you not credit a group of Muslims in NYC to abhor what happened and thus want to build a place of God and Peace (in their eyes) in deference to that site?

3 questions there......

But to your response.... "So tell me, knowing the sh%%$%^te storm such a building would cause, why do they want to build at ground zero ?"

OK....there's a little bit of "do you still beat your wife?" there.......there should not be a shit-storm because the religion has nothing to do with what happened.

Did the attack occur because of a conflict between Islam and Christianity, or Islam and anything else, or did the attack occur for political reasons?

I think any objective outsider would have to say that AL Qeada have a religious agenda. They certainly have in their promotional videos and literature. And I think you may find as they behead the " unbelievers " be they aid workers or journalists, they do tend to shout religious slogans before they hold the victim down on the floor and hack through their necks often leaving them flapping like fish.

If there is another reason for their pan-global crusade, I would be happy to hear it.

Did the attack occur because of a conflict between Islam and Christianity, or Islam and anything else, or did the attack occur for political reasons?

What does it matter? They killed 3,000 innocent people.

Correction.