Nine out of ten people who joined the workforce last year were foreign nationals, official figures revealed yesterday.

The number is far higher than had been previously thought.

British nationals accounted for only a tiny fraction of the rise in employment among working age people with most new workers being immigrants.

Last night experts warned there could be a ‘jobless recovery’ for British workers unless ministers get to grips with immigration.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031973/Nine-jobs-created-year-went-foreign-nationals.html#ixzz1WZKfcMjO

Those lazy buggers, the non-immigrants! Rather stay on the dole.

Those lazy buggers, the non-immigrants! Rather stay on the dole.

i think this blends into the other topic of national service, it gets them off there <deleted> and gives them skills ! , i have been home now sick for 7 days and hate it !, ho anyone could wish a life of not working and watching TV !

Alot of reports always state there is no work, but when i go bck to the uk, there is always work avilable, just wether you can be bothered to take it or not

could you ever imagine a report like this in the bangkok post, or singapore news ? , it just wouldnt happen !

Benefits for out of work should be for 6 months MAX, with the goverment forcing Brits into work before the immigrants

Although, there are some jobs the Brits have been pushed out of IE construction, plumbing, driving ect by workers that want cheaper pay, the goverment should adopt a similar system to Thailand where immigrants ARE not allowed to do the jobs of brits, if you catch my drift

Benefits for out of work should be for 6 months MAX, with the goverment forcing Brits into work before the immigrants

Although, there are some jobs the Brits have been pushed out of IE construction, plumbing, driving ect by workers that want cheaper pay, the goverment should adopt a similar system to Thailand where immigrants ARE not allowed to do the jobs of brits, if you catch my drift

To allow your own people to be 'pushed out of jobs' by immigrants is a form of national insanity. But you can't force people to work; all you can do is to stop paying them for not working.

Even stopping the dole will not help - there are so many other branches of the social services happy - no, eager - to hand out support benefits for this, that and the other (well, maybe not for a bit of the other)(I dunno, though) that losing the unemployment bit will make little or no difference.

The whole social welfare system needs to be worked over by someone with a big red crayon.

Even stopping the dole will not help - there are so many other branches of the social services happy - no, eager - to hand out support benefits for this, that and the other (well, maybe not for a bit of the other)(I dunno, though) that losing the unemployment bit will make little or no difference.

The whole social welfare system needs to be worked over by someone with a big red crayon.

Like, scrap it and start again?

A Commonwealth?

Seems to be social and economic blowback.

Just rewards.

Even stopping the dole will not help - there are so many other branches of the social services happy - no, eager - to hand out support benefits for this, that and the other (well, maybe not for a bit of the other)(I dunno, though) that losing the unemployment bit will make little or no difference.

The whole social welfare system needs to be worked over by someone with a big red crayon.

Like, scrap it and start again?

Both national and local social welfare services - scrap the lot, put all the people working there on the dole, then make any payment contingent on having completed three years in a pseudo-military training camp, where they are fed, housed and clothed, learn useful skills like reedin' 'n' rightin', sums 'n' tymzing. If you don't pass the exams, you repeat the course.

Even stopping the dole will not help - there are so many other branches of the social services happy - no, eager - to hand out support benefits for this, that and the other (well, maybe not for a bit of the other)(I dunno, though) that losing the unemployment bit will make little or no difference.

The whole social welfare system needs to be worked over by someone with a big red crayon.

Like, scrap it and start again?

Both national and local social welfare services - scrap the lot, put all the people working there on the dole, then make any payment contingent on having completed three years in a pseudo-military training camp, where they are fed, housed and clothed, learn useful skills like reedin' 'n' rightin', sums 'n' tymzing. If you don't pass the exams, you repeat the course.

It's nice to dream sometimes, HB.

I would guess that much of the job creation was either at the higher end of the spectrum or the lower end of the spectrum. The world is much more globalized and jobs which require advanced degrees are likely to attract very well qualified foreign nationals. Likewise, jobs at the lower end of the spectrum are not particularly attractive to local--garbage collection, maids, cleaners etc.

Many foreign nationals can earn a lot more for their degree and experience in the UK than they can in India, for example.

It would be interesting to know what kind of jobs were created.

Wanted, BRITONS who want to work: Mail survey reveals why new jobs are going to migrant workers

A cleaning job in London, a vacancy in the kitchen of a Manchester restaurant and a position as a chambermaid in Brighton. Three unexceptional jobs but, with the country teetering on the edge of a double-dip recession, jobs nonetheless.

Surprising to know, then, that with unemployment on the rise, positions such as these are still routinely being filled by foreign workers. Official figures, released this week, showed that nine out of ten jobs created last year went to foreign nationals.

Why this is happening is a matter of ferocious debate.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032406/Mail-survey-reveals-new-jobs-going-migrant-workers.html#ixzz1WfEymEMY

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

I don't live in the UK, but what time I've spent there wouldn't lead me to believe that those that are native to the UK are any lazier than anyone else.

I find the thread and it's implications interesting. Perhaps something can be learned for governments everywhere. The jobs advertised are low end jobs. Can someone earn more money on the dole than they can working? Is there a difference in who is searching for jobs and where the jobs are advertised? However interesting the nationality of applicants may be, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered, both about native UK citizens and the foreigners who are applying for work.

If there were no foreigners, are we to assume that then native UK citizens would apply for these jobs?

Maybe as was said in Chevy Chase's "Christmas Vacation" about his dead-beat brother-in-law who hadn't held a job for many years, "He's holding out for a management position".

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

I haven't lived in the UK for fifty years! But, they say, sometimes the onlooker sees more of the game than the participants.

But I bristle to the end of my Colonel Blimp moustache (at least, I would if I had one) at the suggestion that I actually believe the Daily Mail... or CNN... or Faux News. Sometimes I believe the BBC, but not as often as I believe Al Jazeera.

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

In this forum, everyone has an opinion......even childless gay men have made posts opining about parenting....that would be "gassbaging from afar" too, wouldn't it?

In this forum, everyone has an opinion......even childless gay men have made posts opining about parenting....that would be "gassbaging from afar" too, wouldn't it?

Don't put ideas into my head, Harcourt!

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

In this forum, everyone has an opinion......even childless gay men have made posts opining about parenting....that would be "gassbaging from afar" too, wouldn't it?

I've had experience of children - brothers, nieces, nephews etc. I'm an 'Uncle' to a big bunch of Thai kids here in the UK and they always come and ask for advice about things they're too embarrassed to ask their parents (I suspect that's because I'm the only one who seems to remember what it was like to be a child). When was the last time you were in the UK?

Quoting the Daily Mail as a credible source of news when there are quality newspapers to suit all political tastes is a bit self-defeating. It's just a redtop with pretensions. It's the Hyacinth Bucket of the newspaper world

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

In this forum, everyone has an opinion......even childless gay men have made posts opining about parenting....that would be "gassbaging from afar" too, wouldn't it?

I've had experience of children - brothers, nieces, nephews etc. I'm an 'Uncle' to a big bunch of Thai kids here in the UK and they always come and ask for advice about things they're too embarrassed to ask their parents (I suspect that's because I'm the only one who seems to remember what it was like to be a child). When was the last time you were in the UK?

Quoting the Daily Mail as a credible source of news when there are quality newspapers to suit all political tastes is a bit self-defeating. It's just a redtop with pretensions. It's the Hyacinth Bucket of the newspaper world

There's not many here that would argue with your opinion of The Daily Mail..........although I must say that I think Hyacinth would find your analogy in rather poor taste.

oops....I've said somethiing about Hyacinth Bucket yet have never met her........I must be gasbagging from afar again.

I don't live in the UK, but what time I've spent there wouldn't lead me to believe that those that are native to the UK are any lazier than anyone else.

I find the thread and it's implications interesting. Perhaps something can be learned for governments everywhere. The jobs advertised are low end jobs. Can someone earn more money on the dole than they can working? Is there a difference in who is searching for jobs and where the jobs are advertised? However interesting the nationality of applicants may be, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered, both about native UK citizens and the foreigners who are applying for work.

If there were no foreigners, are we to assume that then native UK citizens would apply for these jobs?

Maybe as was said in Chevy Chase's "Christmas Vacation" about his dead-beat brother-in-law who hadn't held a job for many years, "He's holding out for a management position".

I don't live in the UK, but I did spend the first 20 years of my life living in chav-ville.

They WILL NOT WORK. You mention low end jobs but that is not the point, they will not do any job. Not even a good one.

I don't live in the UK, but what time I've spent there wouldn't lead me to believe that those that are native to the UK are any lazier than anyone else.

I find the thread and it's implications interesting. Perhaps something can be learned for governments everywhere. The jobs advertised are low end jobs. Can someone earn more money on the dole than they can working? Is there a difference in who is searching for jobs and where the jobs are advertised? However interesting the nationality of applicants may be, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered, both about native UK citizens and the foreigners who are applying for work.

If there were no foreigners, are we to assume that then native UK citizens would apply for these jobs?

Maybe as was said in Chevy Chase's "Christmas Vacation" about his dead-beat brother-in-law who hadn't held a job for many years, "He's holding out for a management position".

I don't live in the UK, but I did spend the first 20 years of my life living in chav-ville.

They WILL NOT WORK. You mention low end jobs but that is not the point, they will not do any job. Not even a good one.

I have family who are like this. Leave school at 16 and are on the waiting list for a pension. In the meantime they occupy themselves smoking dope....selliing door to door...doing odd jobs when they can be arsed and having a few more kids.

The mere suggestion of getting their arse out of bed before lunchtime would be like swearing at them. More kids equals a bigger house and more benefits....happy days...

Incapacity benefit is another joke....why does someone with a bad back or some stress related disorder need three times as much cash as one who is unemployed?

None of it makes any sense to those of us who pay taxes....meanwhile we can't get our bins emptied every week cos there's not enough money!

We should go the whole hog and bring in US style benefits and health care and let 'em fend for themselves. I'd love to see these scroungers faces when they realise they are being evicted from their council house and offered a caravan to live in....for a few months before it becomes a tent...then a sleeping bag...and a park bench.

No sympathy from me...not for anyone who is healthy and had no job for over six months....plenty work out there....stop immigration and benefits...its simple!

I can assure you that in the US no one gives them a tent when they are evicted.

We should go the whole hog and bring in US style benefits and health care and let 'em fend for themselves. I'd love to see these scroungers faces when they realise they are being evicted from their council house and offered a caravan to live in....for a few months before it becomes a tent...then a sleeping bag...and a park bench.

No sympathy from me...not for anyone who is healthy and had no job for over six months....plenty work out there....stop immigration and benefits...its simple!

Bloody right, mate.

I work from project-to-project. Many different countries, many different employers.

When a project finishes I've usually fixed up the next posting already, but if I haven't it has seldom taken me more than a couple of months to be in full employment again. Work hard, fill your days and live a long life.

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

In this forum, everyone has an opinion......even childless gay men have made posts opining about parenting....that would be "gassbaging from afar" too, wouldn't it?

I've had experience of children - brothers, nieces, nephews etc. I'm an 'Uncle' to a big bunch of Thai kids here in the UK and they always come and ask for advice about things they're too embarrassed to ask their parents (I suspect that's because I'm the only one who seems to remember what it was like to be a child). When was the last time you were in the UK?

Quoting the Daily Mail as a credible source of news when there are quality newspapers to suit all political tastes is a bit self-defeating. It's just a redtop with pretensions. It's the Hyacinth Bucket of the newspaper world

It's pronounced "Bouquet", and can you please remove your shoes before posting on this forum........you might dirty our carpets.

The simple fact is, the UK has way too many people and not enough jobs. It's been that way since the 1960s. Why the UK government has not implemented a one child policy, similar to that in China,is beyond me. It would greatly reduce the benefit bill.

If all of these work-shy degenerates were only getting one lot of child allowance, how many kids would they have ?

I know of one guy, who has fathered at least 14 children, by several different women. Both he and the mothers of his offspring would be lucky to score a double figure collectively, in an IQ test. Yet he is unable to work, due to heart problems....doesn't stop him smoking both cigarettes and marijuana though. His oldest son, who is in his late teens, already has three kids to two different women, and (you've guessed !), doesn't work either. He is, however a leading light in his local BNP branch, blaming immigrants for the country's misfortunes.

It's not the immigrants that are Britain's problem, it's the moronic, self seeking, bone idle, work shy, morally reprehensible scum that have become indigenous, thanks to a benefit system that rewards cheats, liars and laziness.

Can I ask a simple question? How many of the posters on this thread actually live in the UK? How many of you have experience of living there on a day to day basis in the past 10 years and how many of you are basing your opinions on the outpourings of a newspaper that, in the 1930s, thought that Adolf Hitler was a jolly good chap? It seems to me that this thread is filled with gasbags from afar.

In this forum, everyone has an opinion......even childless gay men have made posts opining about parenting....that would be "gassbaging from afar" too, wouldn't it?

I've had experience of children - brothers, nieces, nephews etc. I'm an 'Uncle' to a big bunch of Thai kids here in the UK and they always come and ask for advice about things they're too embarrassed to ask their parents (I suspect that's because I'm the only one who seems to remember what it was like to be a child). When was the last time you were in the UK?

Quoting the Daily Mail as a credible source of news when there are quality newspapers to suit all political tastes is a bit self-defeating. It's just a redtop with pretensions. It's the Hyacinth Bucket of the newspaper world

It's pronounced "Bouquet", and can you please remove your shoes before posting on this forum........you might dirty our carpets.

Indeed you are right, Mr Ouija.

The simple fact is, the UK has way too many people and not enough jobs. It's been that way since the 1960s. Why the UK government has not implemented a one child policy, similar to that in China,is beyond me. It would greatly reduce the benefit bill.

If all of these work-shy degenerates were only getting one lot of child allowance, how many kids would they have ?

I know of one guy, who has fathered at least 14 children, by several different women. Both he and the mothers of his offspring would be lucky to score a double figure collectively, in an IQ test. Yet he is unable to work, due to heart problems....doesn't stop him smoking both cigarettes and marijuana though. His oldest son, who is in his late teens, already has three kids to two different women, and (you've guessed !), doesn't work either. He is, however a leading light in his local BNP branch, blaming immigrants for the country's misfortunes.

It's not the immigrants that are Britain's problem, it's the moronic, self seeking, bone idle, work shy, morally reprehensible scum that have become indigenous, thanks to a benefit system that rewards cheats, liars and laziness.

How well you express my point of view!

I'd give you a greenie if they were still around.

(Edit: But if you got rid of 10% of the population - i.e. immigrants - would this not alter the population:jobs ratio? And shaking up the benefits system would get rid of a lot of the undesirable immigrants, leaving those who came for a chance to make a good life, such as the Ugandan Indians and the HK Chinese.)

China's one-child policy has been a complete disaster. Most families chose to have a son (and how they achieved that doesn't always bear thinking about)... and then spoiled him rigid. Result... a nation of Little Emperors. And the bias towards male offspring has resulted in a massive imbalance between the sexes, with something like 17% spare males (figure from memory; it may even be 20%). Oh, and homosexuality is still illegal.

Regarding Hong Kong, do not forget that all children born in Hong Kong before 1950 (it may have been later than that; my partner, a Hong Kong Chinese, was born in 1950, and his rights were progressively eroded) had right of abode in Britain automatically. This right was taken away from them by successive UK Governments. Chinese people work... and if we had had them instead of the Asians, you wouldn't have heard all these complaints. There are rarely complaints about the behaviour of Chinese immigrants because they get on with their lives, and don't trouble those around them. The same applies to the Ugandan Asians, mainly, I believe Bengalis.