Thai Army Ordered To Pay Bt505,000 Compensations To Two Muslim Students

[whybother]

How many human rights articles does Thailand break every day?

Article 19, gives everyone the right to say what they want about who they want.

Article 23 anyone can do whatever job they want to do, am sure Thai Law says something different.

Anyhow, at least some justice has been served.

What country allows everyone to say what they want about who they want?

[whybother]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

The problem is that the red shirts are denying that they killed any, armed or unarmed.

[SICHONSTEVE]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

If that is the case then why haven't any army personnel been charged with the crimes of shooting unarmed civilians???

Back to Thaksin, are you denying that with his tragic "war on drugs" that he ordered the killing of 2,500 people (1,400 innocent civiians) in 2003. Did you know that he rewarded and promoted those officers with numbers killed above his allocation whilst punishing the others who fell below their targets with demotion or dismissal.

Start adopting this strategy and just like traffic wardens when they were given bonuses for giving out more and more parking tickets then these tickets equated to more deaths at the hands of Thaksin's "gestapo".

Edited November 29, 2011 by SICHONSTEVE

[SICHONSTEVE]

How many human rights articles does Thailand break every day?

Article 19, gives everyone the right to say what they want about who they want.

Article 23 anyone can do whatever job they want to do, am sure Thai Law says something different.

Anyhow, at least some justice has been served.

What country allows everyone to say what they want about who they want?

Many civilised countries do (as long as what they say can be proven to be factually true) that is, of course!!!!:jap:.

Edited November 29, 2011 by SICHONSTEVE

[JulesMad]

I would not mind spending a month in jail at 125000 Baht a day; 1 month would make me about 3.75 Million... Enough to pay for my hospital bill afterwards. Where can I sign up? :jap:

Oh, and please pay me 20% in advance, so I can ensure I have a private cell and some decent food and drinks. Maybe I can get some friendly female visitors as well, or I am asking too much now?!?

[OzMick]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

If after you have been shot, someone carries away your weapon, do you qualify as an unarmed civilian? How do you explain that those shot were overwhelmingly young men, when the red protesters as a whole included many elderly and younger women, and children?

[maidu]

over half a million baht for detaining the two students for longer than they should have. Begs the question: What do they pay for unlawful deaths while in detention?

For example: the 79 or so young Muslim men who died while in Thai army custody during the Tak Bai imbroglio. It was also while (Mr. CEO) Thaksin was PM, and he made it crystal clear (prior to the incident) to all the brass involved, that he was to be in complete control of every facet of the operation. Surprise, when the deaths were revealed, no one took any responsibility, and (as far as I know) no compensation was paid.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It sounds like some posters here are only reading The Nation article at the top of the thread, and NOT the several posts further down that tell what The Nation didn't...

The two Muslim students who were the plaintiffs in this case were TORTURED by the Thai Army, according to the evidence presented at the trial, while they were in government custody. That's why they got, by Thai standards, a huge court award...

So, to all of you volunteering for similar treatment, by all means, step forward and sign up.

[philw]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

If after you have been shot, someone carries away your weapon, do you qualify as an unarmed civilian? How do you explain that those shot were overwhelmingly young men, when the red protesters as a whole included many elderly and younger women, and children?

Please provide the breakdown to support this statement.

How about by name, sex, occupation and age for all fatalities ???

If you want to you can, the info is out there.

Now it's a challenge.

[phiphidon]

If after you have been shot, someone carries away your weapon, do you qualify as an unarmed civilian? How do you explain that those shot were overwhelmingly young men, when the red protesters as a whole included many elderly and younger women, and children?

Please provide the breakdown to support this statement.

How about by name, sex, occupation and age for all fatalities ???

If you want to you can, the info is out there.

Now it's a challenge.

I'll save him the bother; Use whatever statistics you like, the majority are not young boys amongst the civilian deaths

The crackdown on 10 April around the Democracy Monument

1. Mr.Hiroyuki Muramoto, 43, A Japanese Reuters reporter. He was shot in the right chest and died on the way to the hospital.

2. Mr. Sawat Wong-ngam, 43, was shot in the head

3. Mr. Todsachai Mekngamfah, 44, was shot in the left chest

4. Mr. Charoon Chaimaen, 46, was shot in the right chest

5. Mr. Wasan Phutong, 39, was shot in the head from the back through to the front

6. Mr. Sayam Wattananukul, 53, was shot in the chest from the back

7. Mr. Monchai Sae-jong, 54, breathing failure from lung disease, died in the hospital

8. Mr. Amphon Tatiyarat, 26, was shot in the back of the head; the bullet went right through to the front

9. Mr. Yutthana Tongcharoenporn, 23, was shot in the head from behind

10. Mr. Praison Thiplom, 37, was shot in the head from the front through the back neck, died in the hospital

11. Mr. Kriengkrai Tanoi, 24, was shot in the thigh and the bullet lodged in his stomach, died in the hospital

12. Mr. Kanung Chatthe, 50, was shot in the right chest

13. Soldier Puriwat Praphan, 25, seriously wounded in the head

14. Soldier Anupong Muangraphan, 21, bruised chest, muscles in both legs were torn

15. Mr. Napaphol Phaopanas, 30, was shot in the stomach. He died in the hospital.

16. Col. Romklao Thuwatham, 43, the right neck was torn, both legs were smashed

17. Soldier Singha Onthrong, left chest and the front thigh was torn

18. Soldier Anupong Hommalee, 22, his head was hit by a bomb blast. He died in hospital.

19. Mr. Saming Taengphen, 49, was shot in the head and died in the hospital

20. Mr. Somsak Kaewsan, 34, was shot in the left chest, he died in the hospital

21. Mr. Boontham Thongpui, 40, was shot in the forehead

22. Mr. Terdsak Fungklinchan, 29, wounded in the left chest, he died in the hospital

23. Unidentified man, around 40-50 years old, wounded from the thigh cut through his blood vessels, he died in the hospital

24. Mr. Mana Arjran, 23, was shot in the head from behind, bullet went right through

25. Mr. Anan Sirikulwanich, 54, was shot

The crackdown on 15 May;

1. Mrs. Thanyanan Thabthong, 50, killed by a bomb blast at Silom Road on 22 April

2. Soldier Narong Ritthisara, died from the crackdown at the National Memorial on 28 April

3. Sergeant Karnnuphat Lertchanphen, 38, died from a bullet in front of the Krung Thai Bank, Silom Road on 7 May

4. Sergeant Wittaya Promsari, 35, he died from a bomb blast that pierced his right chest from the crackdown at the gate 4, Lumpini Park on 8 May

5. Major General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, 58, was shot in the head, assassinated, while he was giving an interview with journalists and surrounded by Red Shirts on 13 May

6. Mr. Chatchai Chalao, 25, he died from wounds to his neck from the crackdown at Lumpini Park on 13 May

The people that died at the Lumpini Park (it is most likely that when hospitals records the person as being 'wounded' it means that these are 'bullet' wounds)

1. Mr. Piyapong Kitiphan, 32, was shot dead

2. Mr. Prajuab Silaphan, was shot

3. Mr. Somsak Kilirakka, 28, was shot

4. Mr. Inplang Thetwong, 32, died in the crackdown

5. Mr. Saneh Nilluang, 48, died in the crackdown

6. Mr. Chaiyan Wannajak, 20, died in the crackdown

7. Mr. Boonthing Pansila, a medic from Wachira Hospital, 25, was shot in the neck

8. Mr. Phan Kamklong, 43, was shot in the left chest, died at the Moh Lheng area

9. Mr. Kitiphan Khantong, 26, wounded in the ribs, died in the hospital

10. Mr. Surakrai Srimuangpun, 34, wounded in the head, died in the hospital

11. Unknown man, was shot and died at Ratchaparop area

12. Unknown boy, 14, was shot in the stomach and arm; he died at Soi Moh Lheng

13. Mr. Channarong Ploysrila, 32, died from wounds to the head

14. Mr. Thippanet Jiamphol, 36, wounded in the head

15. Mr. Supacheep Jullathas, 36, wounded in the head

16. Mr. Warin Wongsanit, 28, wounded in the right chest

17. Mr. Mana Sanprasertsri, Po Tek Tung Emergency Assistance Foundation, 22, was shot in the head

18. Ms. Santana Sappasri, 34, was shot in the stomach and arm at Moh Lheng area

19. Mr. Thanwa Wongsiri, 26, wounded in the head

20. Mr. Amphol Chuensri, 25, died on the spot

21. Mr. Samaphan Srithep, 17, died on the spot

22. Mr. Uthai Orn-in, 35, died on the spot

23. Mr. Pornsawan Nakachai, 23, shot in many places, died in the hospital

24. Mr. Kriangkrai Leantaisong, 25, was shot in the head, died in the hospital

25. Mr. Prachuab Prachuabsuk, 42, he died at the Charoenkrung Pracharak

26. Mr. Kiettikhun Chatwirasakul, 25, was shot in the left chest, died on the spot

27. Mr. Wongsakorn Plangsri, 40, was shot in the chest, bleeding in the chest. He died in the hospital

28. Mr. Somchai Phrasuwan, 43, was shot in the head, died in the hospital

29. Mr. Suphan Thomtong, 49, died on the spot

30. Mr. Chaleaw deeruenram, 27, was shot below the right chest

31. Mr. Supot Yatima, 37, died on the spot

32. Mr. Tanakorn Piyapholdirek, 50, died on the spot

33. Sergeant Pongchalit Thippanontakarn, 31, was shot in the head

34. Mr. Sompan Luangchom, 35, was shot in the stomach

35. Mr. Muhammad Akli, 40, wounded from the chest through the back

36. Mr. Polenchi Fadio, an Italian photographer, 48, was shot in the chest

37. Mr. Thanachot Chumyen, 34, the bullet cut through his kidney and the main artery

38. Unknown woman, shot dead

39. Mr. Thawin Kammool, 38, wounded in the head

40. Unknown man, wounded in the head

41. Sergeant Anusit Chansanto, 44, died on the spot

42. Mr. Pratchaya Sae-Khoe, 21, was shot, the bullet destroyed his liver

43. Mr. Akradet Khankaew, 22, was shot, the bullet destroyed his lung and heart

44. Mr. Mongkol Khemthong, 37, was shot damaging his lung and heart

45. Ms. Kamonket Hakhard, 25, bullet in her head (she was shot with six bullets)

46. Mr. Wichai Manpare, 61, bullet cut through his lung and liver

47. Mr. Attachai Chumchan, 28, wounded from bullet that destroyed his lung

48. Unknown man, bleeding in the brain from being beaten

49. Mr. Narin Srichomphu, wounded from a bullet that destroyed his brain

50. Ms. Wasinee Theppan, died on the way to hospital

51. Mr. Yuon Phothongkam, 60, wounded in his bottom, died on 21 May

52. Mr. Kittipong Somsuk, 20, burnt in the Central World blaze, body found on 21 May

53. Mr. Songsak Srinongbua, 33, wounded in the chest

54. Mr. Ploen Wongma, 40, died in the hospital on 20 May

55. Mr. Samai Tadkaew, 36, died from many attacks

56. A Bonkai community man, 71, died on 28 July from a blood infection after getting treatment from being shot in the stomach while he walked through the zone to pick up his granddaughter

57. Couldn't identify the person's name

58. Couldn't identify the person's name

[hellodolly]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

The problem is that the red shirts are denying that they killed any, armed or unarmed.

What sane person would set up a tent and live in the streets of downtown Bangkok with armed Terrorists when the whole area is surrounded by the army?

Some people just like to point fingers with out any real justification behind it.

Yes the army did kill some people who did not have a gun in their hands. Makes no difference you are considered as a part of the armed population when you are doing the support work for the armed so called peaceful demonstrators who refuse to negotiate just insist on getting every thing they want and not giving a thing in return.

Red Shirts and their supporters should be happy that only a few were killed in the neighbor hood of 80 I believe.

The army could have just as easily killed in the Thousands.

[hellodolly]

How many human rights articles does Thailand break every day?

Article 19, gives everyone the right to say what they want about who they want.

Article 23 anyone can do whatever job they want to do, am sure Thai Law says something different.

Anyhow, at least some justice has been served.

What country allows everyone to say what they want about who they want?

Many civilised countries do (as long as what they say can be proven to be factually true) that is, of course!!!!:jap:.

You did not answer the question.

You cited some nefarious unnamed countries and went on to say that they had strings attached to what they say,

In other words they do not allow any one to say any thing they want about any one.:jap:

[OzMick]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

If after you have been shot, someone carries away your weapon, do you qualify as an unarmed civilian? How do you explain that those shot were overwhelmingly young men, when the red protesters as a whole included many elderly and younger women, and children?

Please provide the breakdown to support this statement.

How about by name, sex, occupation and age for all fatalities ???

If you want to you can, the info is out there.

Now it's a challenge.

As PPDon has supplied the information as requested, I will pass except to comment that the list seems to confirm that which I stated - the deceased are overwhelmingly young men (relative to myelf, at least) while the protesters profile was nothing like this. If they were unarmed when the body was recovered does not indicate whether they were unarmed at the time of death.

I believe that the only women killed were an innocent bystander and nurses shot after the collapse of the protest. Who caused their death - I'm sure my view will differ from yours.

[phiphidon]

No sane person can doubt that the RTA shot and killed a large number of unarmed civilians.

No sane person.

If after you have been shot, someone carries away your weapon, do you qualify as an unarmed civilian? How do you explain that those shot were overwhelmingly young men, when the red protesters as a whole included many elderly and younger women, and children?

Please provide the breakdown to support this statement.

How about by name, sex, occupation and age for all fatalities ???

If you want to you can, the info is out there.

Now it's a challenge.

As PPDon has supplied the information as requested, I will pass except to comment that the list seems to confirm that which I stated - the deceased are overwhelmingly young men (relative to myelf, at least) while the protesters profile was nothing like this. If they were unarmed when the body was recovered does not indicate whether they were unarmed at the time of death.

I believe that the only women killed were an innocent bystander and nurses shot after the collapse of the protest. Who caused their death - I'm sure my view will differ from yours.

Obviously your definition of young men differs from mine - Who are you, Methuselah??????

[phiphidon]

I'll save him the bother; Use whatever statistics you like, the majority are not young boys amongst the civilian deaths

The crackdown on 10 April around the Democracy Monument

1. Mr.Hiroyuki Muramoto, 43, A Japanese Reuters reporter. He was shot in the right chest and died on the way to the hospital.

2. Mr. Sawat Wong-ngam, 43, was shot in the head

3. Mr. Todsachai Mekngamfah, 44, was shot in the left chest

4. Mr. Charoon Chaimaen, 46, was shot in the right chest

5. Mr. Wasan Phutong, 39, was shot in the head from the back through to the front

6. Mr. Sayam Wattananukul, 53, was shot in the chest from the back

7. Mr. Monchai Sae-jong, 54, breathing failure from lung disease, died in the hospital

8. Mr. Amphon Tatiyarat, 26, was shot in the back of the head; the bullet went right through to the front

9. Mr. Yutthana Tongcharoenporn, 23, was shot in the head from behind

10. Mr. Praison Thiplom, 37, was shot in the head from the front through the back neck, died in the hospital

11. Mr. Kriengkrai Tanoi, 24, was shot in the thigh and the bullet lodged in his stomach, died in the hospital

12. Mr. Kanung Chatthe, 50, was shot in the right chest

13. Soldier Puriwat Praphan, 25, seriously wounded in the head

14. Soldier Anupong Muangraphan, 21, bruised chest, muscles in both legs were torn

15. Mr. Napaphol Phaopanas, 30, was shot in the stomach. He died in the hospital.

16. Col. Romklao Thuwatham, 43, the right neck was torn, both legs were smashed

17. Soldier Singha Onthrong, left chest and the front thigh was torn

18. Soldier Anupong Hommalee, 22, his head was hit by a bomb blast. He died in hospital.

19. Mr. Saming Taengphen, 49, was shot in the head and died in the hospital

20. Mr. Somsak Kaewsan, 34, was shot in the left chest, he died in the hospital

21. Mr. Boontham Thongpui, 40, was shot in the forehead

22. Mr. Terdsak Fungklinchan, 29, wounded in the left chest, he died in the hospital

23. Unidentified man, around 40-50 years old, wounded from the thigh cut through his blood vessels, he died in the hospital

24. Mr. Mana Arjran, 23, was shot in the head from behind, bullet went right through

25. Mr. Anan Sirikulwanich, 54, was shot

The crackdown on 15 May;

1. Mrs. Thanyanan Thabthong, 50, killed by a bomb blast at Silom Road on 22 April

2. Soldier Narong Ritthisara, died from the crackdown at the National Memorial on 28 April

3. Sergeant Karnnuphat Lertchanphen, 38, died from a bullet in front of the Krung Thai Bank, Silom Road on 7 May

4. Sergeant Wittaya Promsari, 35, he died from a bomb blast that pierced his right chest from the crackdown at the gate 4, Lumpini Park on 8 May

5. Major General Khattiya Sawasdiphol, 58, was shot in the head, assassinated, while he was giving an interview with journalists and surrounded by Red Shirts on 13 May

6. Mr. Chatchai Chalao, 25, he died from wounds to his neck from the crackdown at Lumpini Park on 13 May

The people that died at the Lumpini Park (it is most likely that when hospitals records the person as being 'wounded' it means that these are 'bullet' wounds)

1. Mr. Piyapong Kitiphan, 32, was shot dead

2. Mr. Prajuab Silaphan, was shot

3. Mr. Somsak Kilirakka, 28, was shot

4. Mr. Inplang Thetwong, 32, died in the crackdown

5. Mr. Saneh Nilluang, 48, died in the crackdown

6. Mr. Chaiyan Wannajak, 20, died in the crackdown

7. Mr. Boonthing Pansila, a medic from Wachira Hospital, 25, was shot in the neck

8. Mr. Phan Kamklong, 43, was shot in the left chest, died at the Moh Lheng area

9. Mr. Kitiphan Khantong, 26, wounded in the ribs, died in the hospital

10. Mr. Surakrai Srimuangpun, 34, wounded in the head, died in the hospital

11. Unknown man, was shot and died at Ratchaparop area

12. Unknown boy, 14, was shot in the stomach and arm; he died at Soi Moh Lheng

13. Mr. Channarong Ploysrila, 32, died from wounds to the head

14. Mr. Thippanet Jiamphol, 36, wounded in the head

15. Mr. Supacheep Jullathas, 36, wounded in the head

16. Mr. Warin Wongsanit, 28, wounded in the right chest

17. Mr. Mana Sanprasertsri, Po Tek Tung Emergency Assistance Foundation, 22, was shot in the head

18. Ms. Santana Sappasri, 34, was shot in the stomach and arm at Moh Lheng area

19. Mr. Thanwa Wongsiri, 26, wounded in the head

20. Mr. Amphol Chuensri, 25, died on the spot

21. Mr. Samaphan Srithep, 17, died on the spot

22. Mr. Uthai Orn-in, 35, died on the spot

23. Mr. Pornsawan Nakachai, 23, shot in many places, died in the hospital

24. Mr. Kriangkrai Leantaisong, 25, was shot in the head, died in the hospital

25. Mr. Prachuab Prachuabsuk, 42, he died at the Charoenkrung Pracharak

26. Mr. Kiettikhun Chatwirasakul, 25, was shot in the left chest, died on the spot

27. Mr. Wongsakorn Plangsri, 40, was shot in the chest, bleeding in the chest. He died in the hospital

28. Mr. Somchai Phrasuwan, 43, was shot in the head, died in the hospital

29. Mr. Suphan Thomtong, 49, died on the spot

30. Mr. Chaleaw deeruenram, 27, was shot below the right chest

31. Mr. Supot Yatima, 37, died on the spot

32. Mr. Tanakorn Piyapholdirek, 50, died on the spot

33. Sergeant Pongchalit Thippanontakarn, 31, was shot in the head

34. Mr. Sompan Luangchom, 35, was shot in the stomach

35. Mr. Muhammad Akli, 40, wounded from the chest through the back

36. Mr. Polenchi Fadio, an Italian photographer, 48, was shot in the chest

37. Mr. Thanachot Chumyen, 34, the bullet cut through his kidney and the main artery

38. Unknown woman, shot dead

39. Mr. Thawin Kammool, 38, wounded in the head

40. Unknown man, wounded in the head

41. Sergeant Anusit Chansanto, 44, died on the spot

42. Mr. Pratchaya Sae-Khoe, 21, was shot, the bullet destroyed his liver

43. Mr. Akradet Khankaew, 22, was shot, the bullet destroyed his lung and heart

44. Mr. Mongkol Khemthong, 37, was shot damaging his lung and heart

45. Ms. Kamonket Hakhard, 25, bullet in her head (she was shot with six bullets)

46. Mr. Wichai Manpare, 61, bullet cut through his lung and liver

47. Mr. Attachai Chumchan, 28, wounded from bullet that destroyed his lung

48. Unknown man, bleeding in the brain from being beaten

49. Mr. Narin Srichomphu, wounded from a bullet that destroyed his brain

50. Ms. Wasinee Theppan, died on the way to hospital

51. Mr. Yuon Phothongkam, 60, wounded in his bottom, died on 21 May

52. Mr. Kittipong Somsuk, 20, burnt in the Central World blaze, body found on 21 May

53. Mr. Songsak Srinongbua, 33, wounded in the chest

54. Mr. Ploen Wongma, 40, died in the hospital on 20 May

55. Mr. Samai Tadkaew, 36, died from many attacks

56. A Bonkai community man, 71, died on 28 July from a blood infection after getting treatment from being shot in the stomach while he walked through the zone to pick up his granddaughter

57. Couldn't identify the person's name

58. Couldn't identify the person's name

For the benefit of OzMick, who I am sure is not as old as Methuselah, I have amended the list, taking the soldiers (including Sah Daeng) out of the equation and highlighted in red the ages of those civilians aged 30 or over when they were killed/died. If I move that figure down to the age of 25 and above you can add another 13 civilians to the total.

Surely you can't still argue that the overwhelming number of civilians killed were young men?????