Brilliant level of debate, boys!

Did we FORGET to use a large font for some WORDS? That seems to be your idea of a brilliant argument.

Anyway, so who is the REAL amateur.

That would be Obama. He revealed his true feelings about small businesses - "you didn't build that" - and it is having major blowback from all quarters. He then goes on to tell blatant lies about it looking directly in the camera and anyone who heard or read the original statement knows that he meant what he said in the first place.

I see we're back to cartoon time. I love US politics. It reminds me of Cbeebies...

If that's the best you've got, something taken completely out of context that can easily be proven that it was taken out of context (he was talking about roads, infrastructure, education, family support, etc.) then you've already lost. Good riddance. Romney scares me.

If that's the best you've got, something taken completely out of context that can easily be proven that it was taken out of context

Only one problem, it wasn't taken out of context and either were the snears about "you think that you are so smart, you think that you worked so hard"

What a crock of steaming crap.

Seconded.

Brilliant level of debate, boys!

Anyway, so who is the REAL amateur. Romney has no competence, no experience whatsoever on foreign policy issues.

http://www.guardian....lympics-blunder

Mitt Romney's Olympics blunder stuns No 10 and hands gift to Obama

US presidential hopeful backtracks on warning of 'disconcerting' signs for Games after light-hearted rebuke by David Cameron

JT what has happened to you? I really miss the days when you ran poles and were less political. I read your rants and can only assume you drank some bad Obama cool aid, you write with such anger it is like a bad trip. chillax and let the chips fall where they may.

Jingthing is perfectly happy to let Obama destroy the country economically as long as he ignores the voters and imposes gay marriage by dictatorial fiat.

If that's the best you've got, something taken completely out of context that can easily be proven that it was taken out of context (he was talking about roads, infrastructure, education, family support, etc.) then you've already lost. Good riddance. Romney scares me.

JT:

Wouldn't the roads, infrastructure, education and family support have to be there already? For anybody to claim that an infrastructure was put there strictly to assist private enterprise is ridiculous. It was put there for the population and at the demand of the people, many of whom are government workers.

To say that some beauty salon or small corner market were successful because of an infrastructure that had to be there anyway takes away from those individuals that had a dream to better themselves and then the nerve and money to invest in that dream. The small businesses are the backbone of the US, whether Obama likes it or not.

The public sector is what has been built on the backs of private enterprise and the private sector, not the other way around.

The infrastructure is paid by taxes and most of it comes from businesses in one way or another. The infrastructure would not be there without the hard work and initiative of business owners.

If that's the best you've got, something taken completely out of context that can easily be proven that it was taken out of context (he was talking about roads, infrastructure, education, family support, etc.) then you've already lost. Good riddance. Romney scares me.

Roads, infrastructure, education - all made possible by TAXES. Taxes collected from businesses and the people who have jobs at those businesses. If you have a government - it didn't just happen by itself. Somebody built that and that somebody are the people who pay taxes.

The infrastructure is paid by taxes and most of it comes from businesses in one way or another. The infrastructure would not be there without the hard work and initiative of business owners.

Sorry UG, I didn't notice your comment and ended up repeating it. Very intelligent comment btw.

If that's the best you've got, something taken completely out of context that can easily be proven that it was taken out of context (he was talking about roads, infrastructure, education, family support, etc.) then you've already lost. Good riddance. Romney scares me.

JT:

Wouldn't the roads, infrastructure, education and family support have to be there already? For anybody to claim that an infrastructure was put there strictly to assist private enterprise is ridiculous. It was put there for the population and at the demand of the people, many of whom are government workers.

To say that some beauty salon or small corner market were successful because of an infrastructure that had to be there anyway takes away from those individuals that had a dream to better themselves and then the nerve and money to invest in that dream. The small businesses are the backbone of the US, whether Obama likes it or not.

The public sector is what has been built on the backs of private enterprise and the private sector, not the other way around.

By the way, everyone uses the same roads and infrastructure but only some are successful in business. Why is that?

Maybe they had a great teacher. But unless they were home schooled or had a private tutor, other students had the same teacher yet they didn't become successful. Why is that?

The infrastructure is paid by taxes and most of it comes from businesses in one way or another. The infrastructure would not be there without the hard work and initiative of business owners.

Sorry UG, I didn't notice your comment and ended up repeating it. Very intelligent comment btw.

Great minds think alike.

All right, I finally took it. I still don't know who Gary Johnson is though.

What is a Gary Johnson?

Now for the latest fro Rasmussen Polls:

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POLL: Romney Has His Biggest Lead Over Obama In Weeks

Brett LoGiurato | Jul. 27, 2012, 11:03 AM

AP

Some good news for Mitt Romney today after spending yesterday getting hammered in his London trip by British press and politicians: He's leading President Barack Obama in Rasmussen's daily tracking poll by his biggest margin in more than a month.

Romney leads Obama, 49 percent to 44 percent, in the general election matchup. That nearly mirrors the result on who voters say they trust more to handle the economy. Romney leads there 49-43.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-obama-poll-rasmussen-tracking-election-2012-7#ixzz21uYnIYHF

Where is Jingthing now? I hope that he hasn't done anything desperate. When Obama is ahead in the polls by one point he sees it as very significant - even though it is in the margin of error. Romney is ahead by 5 points so according to Jingthing's system we might as well go ahead and crown him president.

Obama is going to win.

Anyway, to change the topic a bit, why should I vote at all?

My voting district always:

Elects a right wing congressman

My state:

Always a elects a right wing governor and gives all of it's electoral votes to the republican

I can't think of a logical reason to vote at all.

Can you?

Considering who you are going to vote for, the answer is NO. You are just wasting your vote.

Considering who you are going to vote for, the answer is NO. You are just wasting your vote.

I think that's a shame and I think my situation reflects the vast majority of American voters. That's why I would like the electoral college to be trashed.

A good article on what is happening to Obama's carefully crafted image. He has slipped up and been honest several times since he has to stop using the prompter and the real Obama is not pretty.

The real Obama emerges. He lets loose in the self-consciously ironic and pretentiously omniscient argot of the American ruling class lecturing audiences in what he, Elizabeth Warren, and the segment producers at MSNBC treat as the new catechism. The reaction to these gaffes is always the same. His remarks spark justified criticism. There is a frenetic effort to paper over his comments and restore the impression that he is just another dad who wants to take care of one big American family. He and his lieutenants and other members of the “truth” posse indulge in mock outrage. They say the president’s words have been distorted, that he did not really say what he said, that he meant something else entirely. http://freebeacon.com/wreck-it-barack/

I can't think of a logical reason to vote at all.

Can you?

If Obama loses and you haven't voted you'll have no right to spend the next 4 years pissing and moaning about his replacement.

I can't think of a logical reason to vote at all.

Can you?

If Obama loses and you haven't voted you'll have no right to spend the next 4 years pissing and moaning about his replacement.

Why? My vote means nothing. I already explained that. My state has ZERO chance of giving even one electoral vote to Obama. I can support Obama other ways and I do. But voting does absolutely nothing.

I can't think of a logical reason to vote at all.

Can you?

If Obama loses and you haven't voted you'll have no right to spend the next 4 years pissing and moaning about his replacement.

Why? My vote means nothing. I already explained that. My state has ZERO chance of giving even one electoral vote to Obama. I can support Obama other ways and I do. But voting does absolutely nothing.

Because you haven't taken part in the democratic process. There are people in this world who would die for the right to vote. It's not a right to be treated cavalierly.

I can't think of a logical reason to vote at all.

Can you?

If Obama loses and you haven't voted you'll have no right to spend the next 4 years pissing and moaning about his replacement.

Why? My vote means nothing. I already explained that. My state has ZERO chance of giving even one electoral vote to Obama. I can support Obama other ways and I do. But voting does absolutely nothing.

Because you haven't taken part in the democratic process. There are people in this world who would die for the right to vote. It's not a right to be treated cavalierly.

Most Americans don't vote and I think many don't vote for the very reason I have demonstrated. I don't care about your dime store civics speech. As my vote has no chance of making any difference, its a farce to see voting as participating in democracy. My vote for president ultimately isn't even COUNTED. Yes I have voted all my life starting from age 18 but frankly the futility and meaningless hit me at my current US voting home location of record, totally right wing and certainly will be for my lifetime. Funny, when I knew my side was going to win in my district or state this never occurred to me! I have also had the excitement of voting many times in elections where the outcome was uncertain.

I would like voting in the US to be MANDATORY as in Australia. I also think that would create a situation for hope in my current voting location. Of course the US right wing is all about suppressing voting of the masses who are mostly poor, so they would never go for mandatory voting.

Most Americans don't vote and I think many don't vote for the very reason I have demonstrated. I don't care about your dime store civics speech. As my vote has no chance of making any difference, its a farce to see voting as participating in democracy.

It certainly won't be making any difference if you don't cast it. If the US followed Australia's lead you'd be forced to cast it whether it had any chance of making a difference or not.

Most Americans don't vote and I think many don't vote for the very reason I have demonstrated. I don't care about your dime store civics speech. As my vote has no chance of making any difference, its a farce to see voting as participating in democracy.

It certainly won't be making any difference if you don't cast it. If the US followed Australia's lead you'd be forced to cast it whether it had any chance of making a difference or not.

You don't understand American politics so why not stop acting like you do? If all Americans were forced to vote right wing areas like my current ones WOULD be more competitive.

To clarify: my ideal for much better American democracy would be mandatory voting PLUS the end of the electoral college. Every vote in every state would be counted in the national vote to determine the presidency. I believe with such a system with politicians needing to win the votes of ALL CITIZENS and all votes counting (for president) they would be much more responsive to all of the citizens.

Now we have FIVE states determining the presidency. Maybe eight. Where is the vast majority of money and campaigning going to happen? Yes, Virginia, in those few states. The candidates know the rest of the country is irrelevant so why is it wrong for intelligent voters from states with no contest to conclude the same?

http://www.businessinsider.com/five-key-swing-states-obama-romney-presidential-election-2012-6

To clarify: my ideal for much better American democracy would be mandatory voting PLUS the end of the electoral college. Every vote in every state would be counted in the national vote to determine the presidency. I believe with such a system with politicians needing to win the votes of ALL CITIZENS and all votes counting (for president) they would be much more responsive to all of the citizens.

Now we have FIVE states determining the presidency. Maybe eight. Where is the vast majority of money and campaigning going to happen? Yes, Virginia, in those few states. The candidates know the rest of the country is irrelevant so why is it wrong for intelligent voters from states with no contest to conclude the same?

http://www.businessi...election-2012-6

We could always do it the Chicago way. Get somebody to vote in a dead person's name and pay them $50.00.

As somebody said earlier, the Democratic party mantra in Illinois is "Vote early and vote often".

I have one question. If the poor people have always voted Democrat and the Democrats have always promised to raise them from their poverty, why are they still poor?

I can't think of a logical reason to vote at all.

Can you?

If Obama loses and you haven't voted you'll have no right to spend the next 4 years pissing and moaning about his replacement.

True, but we all know that he will do it anyway.

While you lot are snarling at each other,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19035134

A senior Romney aide says Mitt Romney would support an Israeli military strike to prevent Iran getting nuclear weapons.

What time does the balloon go up?