i thought I had met some friends awhile back. even had dinner with extended family, grandmother, met the kids etc.

eventually the uncle came in and tried to pull the gambling scam on me when we were having coffee in the living room. (that's the one where you go on a cruise or something and play with him and the dealer to cheat the other players, but they actually cheat you).

not sure if the rest of the family was in on it, but they were there and just did not say anything one way or another. never saw them again after that.

Another Thai bashing thread.

Don't pick on Thais!

Trust no one.

Only the bitter folk don't trust the Thai's. The ones that have been had over, lost the house, the car, their savings etc etc. Shouldn't of put themselves in that position in the first place. You can have a stack full of university diploma's but you can't buy common sense and you can't buy street sense. Unfortunately it's these dimwits that loose everything and hate everyone. Unless of course they are simply thick full stop.

Another Thai bashing thread.

Don't pick on Thais!

Trust no one.

...or trust everyone (unless they give you a reason not to)

I don't really trust anyone. Whether they are Thai, chinese, Americans or anyone.

There is a level of trust I do have for some people, but never will trust them 100%. Well thats not including some of my good mates I have known since high School

Its sad but true that since moving here, I'm of the same opinion .

Nowadays I give it a couple of years to establish whether friends are genuinely friends (if we've got to know each other extremely well). Acquaintancies? I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt whilst never truly trusting them.

Another Thai bashing thread.

Don't pick on Thais!

Trust no one.

...or trust everyone (unless they give you a reason not to)

Could you lend me 50k for a couple of weeks?

Only the bitter folk don't trust the Thai's. The ones that have been had over, lost the house, the car, their savings etc etc. Shouldn't of put themselves in that position in the first place. You can have a stack full of university diploma's but you can't buy common sense and you can't buy street sense. Unfortunately it's these dimwits that loose everything and hate everyone. Unless of course they are simply thick full stop.

No. I've nothing against the Thais generally, but know that if I'm too generous it will (normally) end up with an increased expectation of generosity and, increased prices .

Another Thai bashing thread.

Don't pick on Thais!

Trust no one.

...or trust everyone (unless they give you a reason not to)

Unfortunately, by then its too late... But (some) Westerners are the worst as we are silly enough to trust them more quickly and easily as we think we share similar values...

There is no sincerity in Thailand. none Sincerity of convenience, yes. Trust? Well only if I know that they will get enough out of something for them to hold that trust.

As a farang - you are scum. They hate you. Will do anything to do you over. In terms of the Thai's opinion of you, you range somewhere between cockroach and mosquito. They pretend well enough sometimes but sooner or later, they show their true spirit. Remember, this is country where 80% of the population believes blackmail, graft, and extortion are good things, 10% believes it does not happen (so are obviously liers as well as corrupt) and 10% are too thick to understand the question.

For crying out loud, you are just about the most vindictive, bitter git on this forum. How much longer do we have to wait before you bugger off to China or Hong Kong, or wherever it is that you are going to drag your miserable self?

Mods - hope I am allowed to say this!

Always interesting to read posts from people who like to blame their own failings on everyone else. Too stupid to avoid trouble others could see coming from a mile off.

Most likely someone who came here thinking they could show those locals 'a thing or two' with his superior ways of doing things.

And when you see them crack the sads after they can't seem keep their heads above water in Thailand (which is, after Singapore, the next cab off the rank in terms of being 'Asia for beginners'), you know that they probably should stick to suburban bliss back in the west where all people are (of course) decent upstanding individuals. Life in Asia is always a bit too much for these delicate souls.

Another Thai bashing thread.

Don't pick on Thais!

Trust no one.

...or trust everyone (unless they give you a reason not to)

Could you lend me 50k for a couple of weeks?

No (as per caveat in brackets above)

There is no sincerity in Thailand. none Sincerity of convenience, yes. Trust? Well only if I know that they will get enough out of something for them to hold that trust.

As a farang - you are scum. They hate you. Will do anything to do you over. In terms of the Thai's opinion of you, you range somewhere between cockroach and mosquito. They pretend well enough sometimes but sooner or later, they show their true spirit. Remember, this is country where 80% of the population believes blackmail, graft, and extortion are good things, 10% believes it does not happen (so are obviously liers as well as corrupt) and 10% are too thick to understand the question.

For crying out loud, you are just about the most vindictive, bitter git on this forum. How much longer do we have to wait before you bugger off to China or Hong Kong, or wherever it is that you are going to drag your miserable self?

Mods - hope I am allowed to say this!

Say what you like sunshine - couldn't give a rats if your agree or violently disagree with me. The whole culture is based upon grown men still sucking from their mothers titties, and eliminating all risk from anything by taking a principal of "if I can't get something confirmed through graft then I can't do it".

Only a fool of a farang would trust Thais in exactly the same way as Thai would never trust a farang. Ever.

I would love to say Pseudolus is wrong, but I can't. I take people as individuals, but from all Thais that I have met, only 2 are what I would call good people. I don't think it's me being over judgemental and I would dearly love to met more decent honest Thais.

About a year ago there was a report on schools in Thailand on one of the breakfast shows and their findings were that the number one thing that boys learn at school is how to cheat. They were laughing about it on tv, but I found it rather sad.

I had a conversation with a woman in our soi about Phuket and Samui. I said I preferred Samui, she said she prefers Phuket. I asked when was the last time she went to Samui. She said she had never been. I started talking about what I liked. She said she liked the Reggae Bar on Samui. I said so you have been then. She says no. I ask about the Reggae bar. She says, yes it's good fun. So you have been? No. So how did you go the the Reggae bar. I went there a few years ago. So you have been to Samui then?, Yes.

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I would love to Pseudolus is wrong, but I can't. I take people as individuals, but from all Thais that I have met, only 2 are what I would call good people. I don't think it's me being over judgemental and I would dearly love to met more decent honest Thais.

About a year ago there was a report on schools in Thailand on one of the breakfast shows and their findings were that the number one thing that boys learn at school is how to cheat. They were laughing about it on tv, but I found it rather sad.

I had a conversation with a woman in our soi about Phuket and Samui. I said I preferred Samui, she said she prefers Phuket. I asked when was the last time she went to Samui. She said she had never been. I started talking about what I liked. She said she liked the Reggae Bar on Samui. I said so you have been then. She says no. I ask about the Reggae bar. She says, yes it's good fun. So you have been? No. So how did you go the the Reggae bar. I went there a few years ago. So you have been to Samui then?, Yes.

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I love you. Seriously, as soon as I stop chasing parked cars I will marry you.

Their mothers turn them into arrogant toss pots who can do no wrong (hands up who has seen a 12 year old fat kid displace a woman from a seat in the train here? I have many times).They then go through an educational system which they bribe their way into that if they have the money they bribe their way through, if not, they scam their way through. The ones who work hard will remain poor all their life because they are honest and work hard which is not rewarded here. They buy themselves out of military service, buy themselves a degree, then buy them selves a job in the government or public services and extort and cheat their fellow citizens all their career whilst at the same time systematically cheat on their wives in brothels, gamble away the mortgage money, but it's all OK because money still loves them "he's a good boy is Somchai, he loves his mummy".

Oh, and fluffies, I'venot married / date a bar girl / lost a hosue / car/ bar / anything to them. I just observe how they operate and quite frankly it leaves a very bitter after taste.

The first Thai I ever met was in London. She borrowed money off me and paid it back and vice versa and is still one of my best friends.

I've met a few good Thais while I've been living here but, I must confess, I did expect to encounter far more. Still, that I haven't is almost certainly down to the fact I don't speak the language. Ultimately, that's my bad; no one else's.

Many who complain about Thai trustworthiness should consider that, if a significant proportion of one's time is spent immersed in the less salubrious aspects of Thai culture, it stands to reason that a greater proportion of the people (locals and otherwise) one encounters will be untrustworthy.

anyone experienced this? Cant seems to trust our wife or gf to them. Shitz happen. And they dun take no for an answer. Will just keep advancing despite knowingly the gal belong to their best mate & the gal does not play along.

No more or less trustworthy than any other people.

There is no sincerity in Thailand. none Sincerity of convenience, yes. Trust? Well only if I know that they will get enough out of something for them to hold that trust.

As a farang - you are scum. They hate you. Will do anything to do you over. In terms of the Thai's opinion of you, you range somewhere between cockroach and mosquito. They pretend well enough sometimes but sooner or later, they show their true spirit. Remember, this is country where 80% of the population believes blackmail, graft, and extortion are good things, 10% believes it does not happen (so are obviously liers as well as corrupt) and 10% are too thick to understand the question.

For crying out loud, you are just about the most vindictive, bitter git on this forum. How much longer do we have to wait before you bugger off to China or Hong Kong, or wherever it is that you are going to drag your miserable self?

Mods - hope I am allowed to say this!

Always interesting to read posts from people who like to blame their own failings on everyone else. Too stupid to avoid trouble others could see coming from a mile off.

Most likely someone who came here thinking they could show those locals 'a thing or two' with his superior ways of doing things.

And when you see them crack the sads after they can't seem keep their heads above water in Thailand (which is, after Singapore, the next cab off the rank in terms of being 'Asia for beginners'), you know that they probably should stick to suburban bliss back in the west where all people are (of course) decent upstanding individuals. Life in Asia is always a bit too much for these delicate souls.

More likely is that he is having a bad time and as far as I know it is within his rights to be entitled to an opinion as much as you are to yours. If you disagree with him then prove him wrong.

The first Thai I ever met was in London. She borrowed money off me and paid it back and vice versa and is still one of my best friends.

I've met a few good Thais while I've been living here but, I must confess, I did expect to encounter far more. Still, that I haven't is almost certainly down to the fact I don't speak the language. Ultimately, that's my bad; no one else's.

Many who complain about Thai trustworthiness should consider that, if a significant proportion of one's time is spent immersed in the less salubrious aspects of Thai culture, it stands to reason that a greater proportion of the people (locals and otherwise) one encounters will be untrustworthy.

I never visit bars as its not my idea of fun, but as I said before I have found that to be overly generous only leads to increased prices.

Then again (as I said before), we're far more likely to be seriously 'ripped off' by a Westerner.

wow wow.. Im amazed at some of you pple here..Why are the throwed verbal abuses at each other ? Just a general opinion sharing. For those who encountered sincere trustworthy Thais, well good for you. As I stated clearly, there ARE sincere Thais that exist. And there is also untrustworthy. Im not bashing the whole NATION. Just a general chit chat out of the blue.

Topic is they seems to befriend you bcos of something. whether it is your status, ur wealth, ur knowledge. They befriend bcos of a reason that is of benefit to them. I do not see this happening in other countries that often as per se. Well they do exist, but not that often. Maybe another country come close is the philipinies.

geez... Stop making it soo serious & heated up. You are making a fool out of yourself for bashing pple who agree with this & have encountered this prob.

some are really trustworthy, and unfortunately alittle naive while some on the other hand are a complete piece of social scumbags.

some are really trustworthy, and unfortunately alittle naive while some on the other hand are a complete piece of social scumbags.

i encountered more Farang scumbags in Thailand who wanted to cheat me than Thais!

Even the Thais themselves they do not trust one another. That is WHY there are so many killing & murder happening in this country. Be it business dispute, an agreement, etc

So why would a farang wholeheartedly trust a Thai fully . Lol....this makes no sense at all.

The most trustworthy Thais are the girlfriends i had so far. And I'm not kidding.

The most untrustworthy Thais are those who work in shops, even upscale shops. Selling used stuff as new, or stuff from the exhibition, telling lies to make a deal and so on. Paragon shops have a lot of brand name products from Europe which are B-category (small defects) but sold as "A" for full price.

I also hear a lot of stories how Thais cheat each other. Even relatives or friends.

That gives a very mixed picture of the nation.

some are really trustworthy, and unfortunately alittle naive while some on the other hand are a complete piece of social scumbags.

i encountered more Farang scumbags in Thailand who wanted to cheat me than Thais!

True - but perhaps you tend to expect being extorted, lied to, and cheated by the Thais so are more careful and with Farangs, who are just as bad once they have lowered their standards and acclimatized to Thailand, you let your guard down?

I was approached on my first visit to Bangkok 12 years ago. The bloke struck up a conversation and after a short while said he had a proposition to put to me which he'd like to discuss over lunch.

It was the gambling scam described by an earlier poster.

I pretended interest until I'd finished eating, then got up and walked out leaving him with the bill.

The scammer was Australian.

In every beach resort I've visited in Thailand I've been approached many times by dubious timeshare sales people; all British.

Tourist are considered easy meat by con artists and other thieves; no matter what country you are in and no matter the nationality of the scumbag. I see it in London all the time.

The Thais I know, family, friends or mere acquaintances, can be trusted as much as the Brits I know; some completely, some a lot, some a bit and some not at all.

One family member was always on the scrounge; constantly asking for help and money until we told him no more. He's my nephew, my brother's son; British. It's the same the whole world over.

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Tourist are considered easy meat by con artists and other thieves; no matter what country you are in and no matter the nationality of the scumbag. I see it in London all the time.

Steady on, I live in London and I've only met you three times (in various disguises).

The Thais I know, family, friends or mere acquaintances, can be trusted as much as the Brits I know; some completely, some a lot, some a bit and some not at all.

One family member was always on the scrounge; constantly asking for help and money until we told him no more. He's my nephew, my brother's son; British. It's the same the whole world over.

100% agree. No one nationality has a majority on deceit. We are all prejudiced by our experiences but that should not extend to castigating an entire race. Easy to blame others when the fault lies within ourselves but is embarrassing to admit.

Fool me once, shame on you...

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Just be careful who you keep company with. Thais move in close groups and if you get a new "friend" that's unknown or known to be untrustworthy, you'll be shunned as contageous as well. Birds of feather flock together and all that. I've gotten to know trustworthy Thais through my family and a couple happy accidents. Of course you have to be trustworthy as well to hold such relationships.

I heard a rumor that there is one that is trustworthy. Mind you his name is not Madoff, jerk off or sod off either. Just Somchai the taxi driver that brought my blackberry back to me that I drunkinly left in his taxi one night.

Must have been the same one who, when I called my phone that I'd left in his cab, performed a HUGE u-turn and bought it straight back to me. He did take the B100 note after I explained that he could have been carrying a fare rather than running about after my sorry ass.

Probably the same one who returned a friends wallet the day after it was left in his cab at 4am. He only had to drive down from Nonthaburi to Bang Phlat, search around for a Farang looking like (well, they all look the same) ending up down the wrong soi, but still persisting and then finally, after a good 30 minutes of looking, finds the person and hands back a wallet with all cash and credit cards intact.

The same one who chased after me in Tesco with the B20 note I dropped.

I really could go on.

Thais are very trustworthy compared to many westerners.

I am talking about neighbours , friends you will get through family and so on.

Its all a matter of your social and communication skills , and to understand the culture. Even

if you do not speak the language , you can still find trustworthy Thais.

If you do not try hard enough , when you live in Thailand , you will just end up hanging around with your foreign friends , and that is not the key to success,

OP: The experience Westerners have in Thailand is directly related to how much money they throw around and how many bad things they are willing to overlook.

After a decent amount of time in Thailand - long enough - I don't much like the Thais and I certainly do not trust them.

Not sure if people are better anywhere else. If I find such a place I will not broadcast it on this board.

So why would a farang wholeheartedly trust a Thai fully . Lol....this makes no sense at all.

Rather like how you manage to type without drooling doesn't make sense with your sweepingly moronic generalization worthy of someone who can;t remember their own name unless someone sings "Happy Birthday" to them.