If you havent heard already , 2 Somalian Muslims attacked and beheaded a British soldier on the streets if London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html

Utter disgusting act which is all over Facebook , news ... With a clear message that enough is enough

What has happened to Britain ?

Very sad day

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Time to clean up the streets of the UK of this dross.

This is why I left London.

Utter f@@king savages, i've seen them on the news with their hands covered in blood.

Wielding cleavers and big knives projecting their rationale for mowing down off duty 20 yo soldier wearing a help for heroes t-shirt!

Then hacking him to death and trying to decapitate him.

All the mobile phone footage aired since a few hours ago.

They didn't try to escape, just stand their gloating over the dead serviceman preaching Allah and how all unsafe and vunerable we all are to Islam.

RIP + 1,000,000 to the murdered young man and my utmost condolonces to his friends and family.

Today is a sad day for Britain

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I feel great sadness for the decent people of the UK and utter contempt for the useful idiots and traitors who aid and abet these savages, whilst calling those who point out the problem racist, or accuse them of that Orwellian piece of double speak Islamophobia,

Looks like they've done a good job stirring up the racial hatred, anyway.

Mission accomplished, better than a suicide bombing would've done.

SC

I sincerely hope that they have not soured the general British public to the average Muslim in the supermarket check-out queue next to them.

This is the aim of the extremist fanatics - to have us turning away from the vast majority of people who are slightly different from us, with a different accent, different clothing, different look. These murderers have not done this terrible thing because they are muslims, nor even because they are Somalis, but because they have a perverted belief in an interpretation of their faith, broadcast by fundamentalist preachers and teachers who want to turn the world back to the dark ages.

Whilst I utterly condemn these evil men, and all such deeds, thoughts and ideas from this fundamentalist fanatical following of Shaitan, I do not blame Islam and it's more mainstream followers.

I sincerely hope that they have not soured the general British public to the average Muslim in the supermarket check-out queue next to them.

This is the aim of the extremist fanatics - to have us turning away from the vast majority of people who are slightly different from us, with a different accent, different clothing, different look. These murderers have not done this terrible thing because they are muslims, nor even because they are Somalis, but because they have a perverted belief in an interpretation of their faith, broadcast by fundamentalist preachers and teachers who want to turn the world back to the dark ages.

Whilst I utterly condemn these evil men, and all such deeds, thoughts and ideas from this fundamentalist fanatical following of Shaitan, I do not blame Islam and it's more mainstream followers.

Islam's mainstream followers are the 40% in the UK who want Sharia law. There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam,. As for any backlash, I'm sure the BBC will churn out their customary report on fears of a backlash as they invariably do, but as yet one never seems to come.

I sincerely hope that they have not soured the general British public to the average Muslim in the supermarket check-out queue next to them.

This is the aim of the extremist fanatics - to have us turning away from the vast majority of people who are slightly different from us, with a different accent, different clothing, different look. These murderers have not done this terrible thing because they are muslims, nor even because they are Somalis, but because they have a perverted belief in an interpretation of their faith, broadcast by fundamentalist preachers and teachers who want to turn the world back to the dark ages.

Whilst I utterly condemn these evil men, and all such deeds, thoughts and ideas from this fundamentalist fanatical following of Shaitan, I do not blame Islam and it's more mainstream followers.

Islam's mainstream followers are the 40% in the UK who want Sharia law. There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam,. As for any backlash, I'm sure the BBC will churn out their customary report on fears of a backlash as they invariably do, but as yet one never seems to come.

I take it you're a student of Islam. I wouldn't like to claim that all Muslims hold the same beliefs and principles world-wide, nor the same interpretation of the Koran and subsequent teachings.

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I expect the woman in blue walking by from her shopping trip is a "moderate" Muslim that doesn't want to get involved or really care.

Watch the video of the rant and see her stroll past without so much as breaking stride...at the 50 second mark.

As I posted in the topic in News:-

A barbaric attack by extremists who no more represent the majority of Muslims than Christian fundamentalists represent the majority of Christians or Zionists represent the majority of Jews.

They are no more Muslim than the IRA were Catholic.

But, it seems that not only have the morons of the EDL fallen into their trap, but several members here have as well!

What trap?

These savages want to stir up feelings against Muslims to such an extent that morons like the EDL attack more and more mosques and then start to attack any and all Muslims. This means that all Muslims in the west start to feel threatened and the extremists convince them to join them and be protected. Protected from hatred which the extremists, with the unwitting help of morons like the EDL, caused.

The vast majority of Muslims are the same as the vast majority of Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. They just want to live in peace with their neighbours, of any or no religion, and get on with their lives.

Don't fall into the extremists trap; don't do their work for them!

Seems some members here are already in the trap!

Quite right, 7by7. We mustn't do these savages' work for them.

No one here is advocating violence against muslims.

Simply a death penalty for clear barbaric murder.

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Why does something major happen every time the British goverment has it's back to the wall over Europe...

Having lived in Islamic countries for nearly 30 years and having many Muslim friends, let me state the huge majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Having said that, there are also quite a few that are not as peace loving as the majority.

Doing a little Googling has now informed me that something between 1% and 7% of Muslims are considered extremists.

Further to that, doing a little math I come up with the following conclusion.

1. There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.

2. Taking the lowest figure of 1% and applying that to 1.6 Billion gives me 16 MILLION extremists.

3. Taking into consideration that 25% of them would not carry out a terrorist attack in any event, I am left with 12 Million potential soldiers.

4. This 12 million potential soldiers is more than the combined active duty personnel of the 10 largest armies in the world...combined.

5. Now by taking out the females and children, let's say that males make up only 25% of the 12 Million extremist soldiers.

6. That leaves us with a grand total of 3 Million potential soldiers, which is 750,000 soldiers more than the total active duty personnel of the People's Republic of China military.

And none of them will be willing to sit down around a campfire and roast marshmallows with a non-believer.

Having lived in Islamic countries for nearly 30 years and having many Muslim friends, let me state the huge majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Having said that, there are also quite a few that are not as peace loving as the majority.

Doing a little Googling has now informed me that something between 1% and 7% of Muslims are considered extremists.

Further to that, doing a little math I come up with the following conclusion.

1. There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.

2. Taking the lowest figure of 1% and applying that to 1.6 Billion gives me 16 MILLION extremists.

3. Taking into consideration that 25% of them would not carry out a terrorist attack in any event, I am left with 12 Million potential soldiers.

4. This 12 million potential soldiers is more than the combined active duty personnel of the 10 largest armies in the world...combined.

5. Now by taking out the females and children, let's say that males make up only 25% of the 12 Million extremist soldiers.

6. That leaves us with a grand total of 3 Million potential soldiers, which is 750,000 soldiers more than the total active duty personnel of the People's Republic of China military.

And none of them will be willing to sit down around a campfire and roast marshmallows with a non-believer.

A lot less than 1% of the Muslims I know are extremists. None of the pubs in KL have been blown up in the time I've been here, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly, none of the ones I go to. Try re-running your figures with one in a million.

What proportion of Christians are Extemists?

SC

For those wishing to quell the angry masses, try this alternative viewpoint(well outside the box imho)

EXCLUSIVE: London Beheading Hoax Confirmed?

TFAdmin | May 23, 2013

By Chris & Sheree Geo

Truth Frequency Radio

Two men allegedly beheaded a solider in the streets of London today, in what is being described as a “brutal coordinated attack”. The perpetrators gave an interview after the fact, stuck around for about 20 or 30 minutes until police arrived, speaking to bystanders and were of course killed by the police AFTER they were in custody.

The world is all a stage. . Call me jaded, cynical, skeptical or even out right crazy but this event has all of the same earmarks as the Sandy Hook, The Boston Marathon Bombing and so many recent events. The stage is a some-what well organized area, actors seem to be placed in strategic areas waiting for their cue and once again we see the remarkable absence of blood. The story is also full of anti-Islamic propaganda even going so far as to claim the “perpetrator” yelled “Allahu Ahkbar” just before beheading the man.

A man on a bus (on his way to a job interview) filmed the events and even managed to get an interview with the perpetrator. Despite a massive amount of searching we have been unable to find the raw footage of this event. The only video circulating is the same worn out ITV NEWS video claiming the man made the following statement:

““We swear by Almighty Allah, we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. The only reasons we killed this man is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. We apologize that woman had to see this today, but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don’t care about you.””

You would imagine first that the raw video would be circulating considering the vast network of video sharing sites but instead we are left with the ITV NEWS “butchered” version (pun intended. Furthermore the news reporter talks over the perpetrator and the audible words start at “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”. If this was actually an Islamic extremist then you would imagine the mainstream media and powers that shouldn’t be would play that sound byte over and over again but instead the attackers real words are covered up by a news reporter. That’s not to mention the man sounds like he has a natural South African accent posing as a man with a British accent. As we saw prior to the massacre of Gaddafi and the Libyan people, Israel, MI6 and the west often recruit African mercenaries to do their dirty work. It wouldn’t surprise me if this man is an African mercenary paid to play this role.

According to the mainstream accounts, the men got into a confrontation on the road which escalated into a “coordinated” beheading. Well, make up your mind! Was it well coordinated and premeditated or was it impulsive? In the video below you will see a woman with a shopping card passing through the set and right next to the attacker as he’s giving an interview after which the camera cuts away quickly. You would imagine that you would walk AWAY from a man wielding a butcher bloody butcher knife and a decapitated body but instead she walks RIGHT PAST the man!\

The propaganda actors are out in full bloom too!

Another witness, who gave his name only as James, told London’s LBC 97.3 radio station that he saw two men standing by the victim on the floor.

At first he thought they were trying to help the man but then saw two meat cleavers, like a butcher would have.

“They were hacking at this poor guy, literally,” he told the radio station, as if they were trying to remove his organs.

“These two guys were crazed. They were just not there. They were just animals.

So we are supposed to believe these two men gruesomely beheaded a random stranger in broad daylight and everyone around is calm as can be? And the only blood anywhere to be seen is in the victims hands and on the knife? There is no blood on the victims clothes, no blood on the street, nothing at all, despite the fact that these were supposedly very crude cuts and “gruesome hacking’. And who walks around with meat cleaver? And who in their right mind wants to be seen on as many cameras as possible after committing a horrific murder?

He said after the “horrendous” attack, the two men, who were also in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, and asked people to take pictures of them “as if they wanted to be on TV or something”.

“They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,” he said.

We’ll continue to look into this story but on the surface it seems like just another propaganda piece, nothing to really concern ourselves with and most likely a distraction while they slip more totalitarian legislation through.

Although we’re no blood splatter analysts, something doesn’t look right with the amount of blood present on the scene. It reminds one a bit of this old Monty Python sketch (actually, we’re being quite generous, really ; Monty Python was much more convincing):

The Case For Calling The London Beheading a Hoax

This is more like the case against conspiracy nuts. There was a dead body, plenty of blood and the radical Islamic murderers were not killed by the police. They have been arrested. This "article" is a load of crap.

Having lived in Islamic countries for nearly 30 years and having many Muslim friends, let me state the huge majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Having said that, there are also quite a few that are not as peace loving as the majority.

Doing a little Googling has now informed me that something between 1% and 7% of Muslims are considered extremists.

Further to that, doing a little math I come up with the following conclusion.

1. There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.

2. Taking the lowest figure of 1% and applying that to 1.6 Billion gives me 16 MILLION extremists.

3. Taking into consideration that 25% of them would not carry out a terrorist attack in any event, I am left with 12 Million potential soldiers.

4. This 12 million potential soldiers is more than the combined active duty personnel of the 10 largest armies in the world...combined.

5. Now by taking out the females and children, let's say that males make up only 25% of the 12 Million extremist soldiers.

6. That leaves us with a grand total of 3 Million potential soldiers, which is 750,000 soldiers more than the total active duty personnel of the People's Republic of China military.

And none of them will be willing to sit down around a campfire and roast marshmallows with a non-believer.

A lot less than 1% of the Muslims I know are extremists. None of the pubs in KL have been blown up in the time I've been here, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly, none of the ones I go to. Try re-running your figures with one in a million.

What proportion of Christians are Extemists?

SC

I don't know, you tell me what percentage of Christians are extremists. Any of them blowing up pubs in KL?

OK, for argument's sake, let's cut it to 1 in a million. That would mean a standing army of suicide bombers numbering 1.6 million.

Got your attention yet?

For those wishing to quell the angry masses, try this alternative viewpoint(well outside the box imho)

EXCLUSIVE: London Beheading Hoax Confirmed?

TFAdmin | May 23, 2013

By Chris & Sheree Geo

Truth Frequency Radio

Two men allegedly beheaded a solider in the streets of London today, in what is being described as a “brutal coordinated attack”. The perpetrators gave an interview after the fact, stuck around for about 20 or 30 minutes until police arrived, speaking to bystanders and were of course killed by the police AFTER they were in custody.

The world is all a stage. . Call me jaded, cynical, skeptical or even out right crazy but this event has all of the same earmarks as the Sandy Hook, The Boston Marathon Bombing and so many recent events. The stage is a some-what well organized area, actors seem to be placed in strategic areas waiting for their cue and once again we see the remarkable absence of blood. The story is also full of anti-Islamic propaganda even going so far as to claim the “perpetrator” yelled “Allahu Ahkbar” just before beheading the man.

The Case For Calling The London Beheading a Hoax

I expect the victim lost quite a bit of blood after being run over by the perpetrator's car and being smashed into the light standard. You think?

What a ridiculous story.

Having lived in Islamic countries for nearly 30 years and having many Muslim friends, let me state the huge majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Having said that, there are also quite a few that are not as peace loving as the majority.

Doing a little Googling has now informed me that something between 1% and 7% of Muslims are considered extremists.

Further to that, doing a little math I come up with the following conclusion.

1. There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.

2. Taking the lowest figure of 1% and applying that to 1.6 Billion gives me 16 MILLION extremists.

3. Taking into consideration that 25% of them would not carry out a terrorist attack in any event, I am left with 12 Million potential soldiers.

4. This 12 million potential soldiers is more than the combined active duty personnel of the 10 largest armies in the world...combined.

5. Now by taking out the females and children, let's say that males make up only 25% of the 12 Million extremist soldiers.

6. That leaves us with a grand total of 3 Million potential soldiers, which is 750,000 soldiers more than the total active duty personnel of the People's Republic of China military.

And none of them will be willing to sit down around a campfire and roast marshmallows with a non-believer.

A lot less than 1% of the Muslims I know are extremists. None of the pubs in KL have been blown up in the time I've been here, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly, none of the ones I go to. Try re-running your figures with one in a million.

What proportion of Christians are Extemists?

SC

I don't know, you tell me what percentage of Christians are extremists. Any of them blowing up pubs in KL?

OK, for argument's sake, let's cut it to 1 in a million. That would mean a standing army of suicide bombers numbering 1.6 million.

Got your attention yet?

It'll get your arithmetic teacher's attention, anyway.

SC

I expect the woman in blue walking by from her shopping trip is a "moderate" Muslim that doesn't want to get involved or really care.

Watch the video of the rant and see her stroll past without so much as breaking stride...at the 50 second mark.

Obviously you alone can identify a moderate Muslim female...Quite why do you think she is Muslim? Woolwich has a very diverse population of all ethnicities, races and creeds, but perhaps your comment is like those of the muppets who thought the murdering scum bag in the hat was a Somali.

Having lived in Islamic countries for nearly 30 years and having many Muslim friends, let me state the huge majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Having said that, there are also quite a few that are not as peace loving as the majority.

Doing a little Googling has now informed me that something between 1% and 7% of Muslims are considered extremists.

Further to that, doing a little math I come up with the following conclusion.

1. There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.

2. Taking the lowest figure of 1% and applying that to 1.6 Billion gives me 16 MILLION extremists.

3. Taking into consideration that 25% of them would not carry out a terrorist attack in any event, I am left with 12 Million potential soldiers.

4. This 12 million potential soldiers is more than the combined active duty personnel of the 10 largest armies in the world...combined.

5. Now by taking out the females and children, let's say that males make up only 25% of the 12 Million extremist soldiers.

6. That leaves us with a grand total of 3 Million potential soldiers, which is 750,000 soldiers more than the total active duty personnel of the People's Republic of China military.

And none of them will be willing to sit down around a campfire and roast marshmallows with a non-believer.

A lot less than 1% of the Muslims I know are extremists. None of the pubs in KL have been blown up in the time I've been here, to the best of my knowledge. Certainly, none of the ones I go to. Try re-running your figures with one in a million.

What proportion of Christians are Extemists?

SC

I don't know, you tell me what percentage of Christians are extremists. Any of them blowing up pubs in KL?

OK, for argument's sake, let's cut it to 1 in a million. That would mean a standing army of suicide bombers numbering 1.6 million.

Got your attention yet?

It'll get your arithmetic teacher's attention, anyway.

SC

Talking of blowing up pubs, Woolwich is sadly no newcomer to terrorism. In late 1974 a 6 man PIRA ASU (active service unit), including a US citizen (Liam Quinn), murdered an off duty soldier and a civilian when they tossed a shrapnel- laden device into the King's Arms pub in Woolwich. This was part of a 14 month campaign during which they murdered at least 18 off duty soldiers, police officers, politicians and civilians.

All 6 were eventually arrested and served time but were released as part of the Peace Agreement. The brother of one of these terrorists, like Adams and McGuinness, was one of the senior military commanders of PIRA, but all are now elected politicians.

The moral of this tale? Terrorism has political objectives, thus there cannot be military solutions, or knee-jerk dumb moves like internment or the demonisation of an entire religious/ethnic group, as these moves are totally counter-productive and what the terrorists seek to provoke. Ultimately there has to be a political solution to a political issue.

2 people were murdered by terrorist scum in Woolwich in 1974, now another person is murdered by terrorist scum in Woolwich. Neither set of murderers were interested in changing the status quo in SELondon, the goals lay elsewhere. Ultimately one has to hold one's nose and come to a political solution with said "terrorists", whether they be called McGuinness, Begin or even Mandela, and so it eventually will be with members of al Qaida.

The horror of Woolwich in May 2013 is magnified by the presence of so many devices able to record the images and then instantly retransmit them. But the scene is no worse than the Bus Depot in Belfast in 1972 when body parts were shovelled into overflowing bin bags, and the number of dead could not be initially estimated due to the multitude of fragments. Or the photos of mortuary slabs and the trays of offal/body parts from other bomb victims, that used to adorn the walls of NITAT in Lydd & Hythe during pre Ulster training packages to remind you of the consequences of getting it wrong. All of these happened on UK streets.

I have experienced both Irish and Al Qaida terrorism first hand and I have lost friends to both sets of scum. We have dealt with one group politically and ultimately we will have to do the same with the other, like it or not. PIRA never managed to slaughter their way to a united Ireland, al Qaida and its affiliates will never achieve a global caliphate. Sadly many more good people will die before a political answer is arrived at......

What proportion of Christians are Extemists?

That would depend on definition. In many ways I'm with the Creationists because they are doing exactly what it says on the tin. Those who don't should be considered extremists or at the very minimum radical.

Imagine going to a book to find out how to do a roast chicken. A Creationist would throw it in the oven for 25min a lb plus 25 mins @170C like it says in the book. A radical or extremist would not take notice of the book other than in passing and perhaps stuff it with a beer can, wrapping it in 50 layers of foil and cooking it in a cremation chamber for 20 minutes.

I wonder if Mssrs. Cameron,Clegg and Milliband will be issuing a full and frank posthumous public apology to the family of Enoch Powell? Mr Powell, eminent scholar, Professor and Brigadier in the British army was pilloried and hounded to his grave by the political establishment for his perceptive and frank views in 1968 in his so called Rivers of blood speech. He was labelled a bigot by his peers who said it would never happen.

Well it looks like it just did.

No one here is advocating violence against muslims.

Simply a death penalty for clear barbaric murder.

they got what you asked for.

One million extremists or 100, 000, or whatever.... the problem is identifying them before they commit these crimes. There seems to be no directing force, even though the guy who thinks the whole thing was staged thinks there is. Mindless violence suddenly erupting.

I wonder if Mssrs. Cameron,Clegg and Milliband will be issuing a full and frank posthumous public apology to the family of Enoch Powell? Mr Powell, eminent scholar, Professor and Brigadier in the British army was pilloried and hounded to his grave by the political establishment for his perceptive and frank views in 1968 in his so called Rivers of blood speech. He was labelled a bigot by his peers who said it would never happen.

Well it looks like it just did.

I think that would be the 1980s inner city riots you'd be thinking of; Broadwater Farm, Toxteth.

SC

I don't know if you will all be able to access this link...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151925108569535&set=vb.645364534&type=2&theater

Let me know if not, and I'll try to download and upload it

SC