30,000 red-shirts coming to Bangkok

[hammered]

The Reds only come out to check if the court is doing it's work, which is understandable giving their love relation with the Yellows.

I wonder if the reds have picked up on three of the constitution court judges having been writers of the 2007 constitution. Can you write and interpret a law? Oddly, part of the establishment have raised this point.

[hellodolly]

I wonder who's paying for this......

Who's paying for the Suthep Show? What does it matter? Probably the same in each case, Rich benefactors.

Pay attention

Yingluck is trying to sue the backers of the anti Government and yes the red shirts do have a rich backer in Dubai. Your answer is what is known as a Barnum statement. You know the guy who said there is a sucker born every minute.

Do you think she will try to sue her brother for money laundering?

Next time any one wonders where the 350 billion baht for flood control went.

Well here is some of it coming back to Thailand.

[flyingdoc]

Hammered is absolutely right!

There has to be two sides to this!

[hellodolly]

The Reds only come out to check if the court is doing it's work, which is understandable giving their love relation with the Yellows.

I wonder if the reds have picked up on three of the constitution court judges having been writers of the 2007 constitution. Can you write and interpret a law? Oddly, part of the establishment have raised this point.

Interesting point. The fellow who led the coup also changed his mind. He now belongs to the PTP probably has a red shirt in his closet. a gift like all the ones Jutuporn has.

I thought you got fed up with Thailand and left it a few years ago. Are you back?

[jimbeam1]

I wonder who's paying for this......

Who's paying for the Suthep Show? What does it matter? Probably the same in each case, Rich benefactors.

Exactly. It doesn't matter, which country. It is always about the rich benefactors.

jb1

[thaicbr]

I wonder who's paying for this......

That was my first question!

I always wonder how these poor Isaan farmers can afford to Bangkok and take ti.e off work. Particularly at this time of year with rice to harvest. Maybe a rich sponsor?

Most of the people at red rallies in BKK either come from Bangkok or from surrounding industrial provinces. Sure a few bus loads of farmers are brought in, just as Suthep buses in a bunches of southerner farmers.

you must have lost you reading glasses. in the OP that you are replying in is this:

"The group plans to mobilise 30,000 red-shirts. Leaders in 20 Northeastern provinces are told to prepare buses for the supporters, Anuwat said."

By my reckoning at the legal 40 persons per bus...ummm 750 buses...... a few buses...please!

[tetleythedog]

That's nice of them, I hope they keep to their word.

Of course they will. Have you ever heard of a Thai telling an untruth? lol !!!!

[hellodolly]

Well the Dems are busy pressuring the court to dissolve PT, so did anyone not expect a response?

In what way? I have not seen any evidence of the Dems camped outside the court or homes of the judges nor have they given out addresses.

They have repeatedly said that they want to give the constitution court the support to make the right decision. The reds have said that they are interested in the courts decision. Both meanings are the same and that is obvious to everyone: we want a decision favouring us and after Wassant's interview both sides know that decisions based on politics, and street demos and not law happen. In fact it is no surprise that both sides take to the streets after what Wassant said.

To understand the subtexts and how these things work PAD Sondhi statements before he was shot in the head are revealing along with lots of wikileaks too). The context is important and does anyone think the players are neutral (check polls on what the Thai people think of some of the courts, or just listen to Wassant on the perception of the court he used to head.

Can you explain to me why they are sending 30,000 people to stand around the court house and let it be known that they do not want the charges to be passed.

The anti government protestors are not going to surround intimidate they are willing to let the court do there job with out undo pressure. You have been gone to long. You missed it the last time the court did not give the judgement the red shirts wanted they posted the phone number of all the judges.

Would you like your phone number made known to all the anti government protesters?

[hellodolly]

That was my first question!

I always wonder how these poor Isaan farmers can afford to Bangkok and take ti.e off work. Particularly at this time of year with rice to harvest. Maybe a rich sponsor?

Most of the people at red rallies in BKK either come from Bangkok or from surrounding industrial provinces. Sure a few bus loads of farmers are brought in, just as Suthep buses in a bunches of southerner farmers.

you must have lost you reading glasses. in the OP that you are replying in is this:

"The group plans to mobilise 30,000 red-shirts. Leaders in 20 Northeastern provinces are told to prepare buses for the supporters, Anuwat said."

By my reckoning at the legal 40 persons per bus...ummm 750 buses...... a few buses...please!

Good point prepare buses for 30,000 people in 20 provinces. Not that easy to say that means they are coming from Bangkok and suburb. But some people are just blinded by the color red and the truth is not visible through it.

[hammered]

Well the Dems are busy pressuring the court to dissolve PT, so did anyone not expect a response?

In what way? I have not seen any evidence of the Dems camped outside the court or homes of the judges nor have they given out addresses.

They have repeatedly said that they want to give the constitution court the support to make the right decision. The reds have said that they are interested in the courts decision. Both meanings are the same and that is obvious to everyone: we want a decision favouring us and after Wassant's interview both sides know that decisions based on politics, and street demos and not law happen. In fact it is no surprise that both sides take to the streets after what Wassant said.

To understand the subtexts and how these things work PAD Sondhi statements before he was shot in the head are revealing along with lots of wikileaks too). The context is important and does anyone think the players are neutral (check polls on what the Thai people think of some of the courts, or just listen to Wassant on the perception of the court he used to head.

Can you explain to me why they are sending 30,000 people to stand around the court house and let it be known that they do not want the charges to be passed.

The anti government protestors are not going to surround intimidate they are willing to let the court do there job with out undo pressure. You have been gone to long. You missed it the last time the court did not give the judgement the red shirts wanted they posted the phone number of all the judges.

Would you like your phone number made known to all the anti government protesters?

Can you explain why a few thousand people who hate Thaksin are offering the court the support to "do the right thing"? It is all the same, and it is because of what Wassant said in his interview on how the court decided on a dissolution case previously, and of course actually understanding the sub texts and power games going on.

[Robby nz]

Most of the people at red rallies in BKK either come from Bangkok or from surrounding industrial provinces. Sure a few bus loads of farmers are brought in, just as Suthep buses in a bunches of southerner farmers.

you must have lost you reading glasses. in the OP that you are replying in is this:

"The group plans to mobilise 30,000 red-shirts. Leaders in 20 Northeastern provinces are told to prepare buses for the supporters, Anuwat said."

By my reckoning at the legal 40 persons per bus...ummm 750 buses...... a few buses...please!

Neither do I see anywhere that Suthep has been "bussing in" anyone.

Seems like anyone from outside the city has got there on their own and paid their own way without any busses having to be organized or paid for by Suthep.

If you have proof that he has organized busses please post it.

[SOTIRIOS]

...so I guess the 'anti-demonstration legislation' ...security concerns...and anti-riot police....only apply to the 'others'.....

[nong38]

30,000 out of work country folk coming up to the "smoke" if they are coming by train strange things might happen! Perhaps they are coming for Christmas Shopping..........what can you get these days for 500bts a day?

[hellodolly]

I wonder who's paying for this......

Thats the big question on almost everyones minds. who is the man behind "RentaMob" not the man outside the country, but the man inside the country. if we could give a name then we will know who is the instigator is of all the political strife we are having, because he knows that clashes between the two mobs are invertible. which leaves one thought, is this the final throes of a dying effort? "all or nothing attitude" if it is then military intervention is the only solution.

You have brought up a very interesting point there. We all know where the money is coming from but who is his front man here in the Country?

I don't think it will come to a clash between the posters this time.

If it did the Army would have to step in. We all know any effort put forth by the BIB would be favoring the red shirts if indeed they didn't just go hide behind a tree or some thing.

[hellodolly]

Well the Dems are busy pressuring the court to dissolve PT, so did anyone not expect a response?

In what way? I have not seen any evidence of the Dems camped outside the court or homes of the judges nor have they given out addresses.

They have repeatedly said that they want to give the constitution court the support to make the right decision. The reds have said that they are interested in the courts decision. Both meanings are the same and that is obvious to everyone: we want a decision favouring us and after Wassant's interview both sides know that decisions based on politics, and street demos and not law happen. In fact it is no surprise that both sides take to the streets after what Wassant said.

To understand the subtexts and how these things work PAD Sondhi statements before he was shot in the head are revealing along with lots of wikileaks too). The context is important and does anyone think the players are neutral (check polls on what the Thai people think of some of the courts, or just listen to Wassant on the perception of the court he used to head.

Yes, there's also a lot of talk of 'hidden hands' again on the social media and the like. But no one should worry about street protesters pressuring the court, the judges are apparently being well looked after:2013-11-18.jpg

Beg to differ.

The judges should be worried. When was the last time a decision made against them where the red shirts said ah darn gee wilikers and just went home.

Not that I think this one will go against them any more than the PTP attempt to get the Dems dissolved.

I just realized they are spending all this money to supposedly watch some thing they can't see Yet not even 1 baht for their fellow in arms still in jail waiting for bail.

Not sure what the dictionary description of scum is but I think they fit into that category. I of course could be wrong but I don't think so.

Edited November 18, 2013 by hellodolly

[sirchai]

They will not leave the stadium or go near the Democracy Monument where anti-government protesters are, he said.

Didn't they announce something similar, when almost nobody showed up? Good guy pays again, using Thais' money. And some tax payers money,as his sister is in power. What a joke. Time to step down for all of them.

Even many teachers at my school have changed their minds. About a year ago, almost all of them were red. Time to wake up for all.

Will never forget when I saw the mob driving to Bangkok some moons ago.Thousands in Pick Up trucks with their idol and the specific color.need to puke.-

30,000 red shirts are 31,000 too much. NOT AGAIN,PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!-

Edited November 18, 2013 by sirchai

[tominbkk]

BANGKOK: -- The United Front for Democracy which is bringing 30,000 red-shirt supporters to Bangkok this week promises that they would not embark on actions that would lead to the confrontation with anti-government protesters.

Meanwhile, lest you forget how "peaceful" the red skirts are:

I thought it was the size of your cake box that influenced Thai courts not the size of your support.

And that red shirt in the top photo certainly seems to have a very large cake knife.

It's weird, the mods deleted my original posting but your reply is still alive. I wonder what offended them about my post? At least it still lives in some capacity!

[Slip]

In what way? I have not seen any evidence of the Dems camped outside the court or homes of the judges nor have they given out addresses.

They have repeatedly said that they want to give the constitution court the support to make the right decision. The reds have said that they are interested in the courts decision. Both meanings are the same and that is obvious to everyone: we want a decision favouring us and after Wassant's interview both sides know that decisions based on politics, and street demos and not law happen. In fact it is no surprise that both sides take to the streets after what Wassant said.

To understand the subtexts and how these things work PAD Sondhi statements before he was shot in the head are revealing along with lots of wikileaks too). The context is important and does anyone think the players are neutral (check polls on what the Thai people think of some of the courts, or just listen to Wassant on the perception of the court he used to head.

Can you explain to me why they are sending 30,000 people to stand around the court house and let it be known that they do not want the charges to be passed.

The anti government protestors are not going to surround intimidate they are willing to let the court do there job with out undo pressure. You have been gone to long. You missed it the last time the court did not give the judgement the red shirts wanted they posted the phone number of all the judges.

Would you like your phone number made known to all the anti government protesters?

Can you explain why a few thousand people who hate Thaksin are offering the court the support to "do the right thing"? It is all the same, and it is because of what Wassant said in his interview on how the court decided on a dissolution case previously, and of course actually understanding the sub texts and power games going on.

Location, location, location. The Red faction have something of a reputation for violent, public confrontation against those who don't toe the party line, and they're on the doorstep of court. (Well soon to be by their own well-publicised plans).

Sorry for snipping your original quote Hammered- exceeded quote allowance.

[Thai at Heart]

Good news for the bus companies i guess.

[rubl]

Good! There will be more Reds to witness "real democracy according to the Constitution" when the government is dissolved on Wednesday.

The 2007 is completely undemocratic. It was 'voted on' under military rule, it was illegal to campaign against it and the underground 'no' campaign had no access to air time.

you may question how the process getting the 2007 constitution accepted, but 80 to 90 % of the text is identical to the 1997 version with many clarifications legal experts agreed about. The only real blot on the 2007 version is the amnesty for 2006 coup leaders article. I guess that's why former coup leader and current Pheu Thai co-alition partner in government MP General Sonthi voted in favour for the 'blanket amnesty' bill. Just to make double sure

[hammered]

The Nation has a little picture in its tweet box of protestors at the court. Wonder who these could be. Of course we expect instant massive condemnation.

[fab4]

Yes, there's also a lot of talk of 'hidden hands' again on the social media and the like. But no one should worry about street protesters pressuring the court, the judges are apparently being well looked after:2013-11-18.jpg

Beg to differ.

The judges should be worried. When was the last time a decision made against them where the red shirts said ah darn gee wilikers and just went home.

Not that I think this one will go against them any more than the PTP attempt to get the Dems dissolved.

I just realized they are spending all this money to supposedly watch some thing they can't see Yet not even 1 baht for their fellow in arms still in jail waiting for bail.

Not sure what the dictionary description of scum is but I think they fit into that category. I of course could be wrong but I don't think so.

There are 27 Red Shirts at Lak Sri temporary prison. The 112 (LM) prisoners are in Klong Prem. They're in jail because they've been refused bail not because they can't afford it. Do you really think the UDD or the PTP would allow that to happen - well obviously you do, so there's not much point in saying anything more.

Edited November 18, 2013 by fab4

[Muhendis]

Didn't know the reds are also legal experts. I always thought that their field of expertise was setting things on fire.

and growing rice for the pledging scheme.....

[Just1Voice]

Good! There will be more Reds to witness "real democracy according to the Constitution" when the government is dissolved on Wednesday.

Oh, do you have some "inside information" to be able to state that with such conviction?

[Emptyset]

Yes, there's also a lot of talk of 'hidden hands' again on the social media and the like. But no one should worry about street protesters pressuring the court, the judges are apparently being well looked after:2013-11-18.jpg

Beg to differ.

The judges should be worried. When was the last time a decision made against them where the red shirts said ah darn gee wilikers and just went home.

Not that I think this one will go against them any more than the PTP attempt to get the Dems dissolved.

I just realized they are spending all this money to supposedly watch some thing they can't see Yet not even 1 baht for their fellow in arms still in jail waiting for bail.

Not sure what the dictionary description of scum is but I think they fit into that category. I of course could be wrong but I don't think so.

I don't expect the red shirts to just go home. But I don't think the judges will be too worried about them either. If they were, they wouldn't have dissolved PPP in 2008 with red shirts massing outside the court. IIRC, they even tried to move the court to somewhere in the suburbs but the red shirts just followed them there. Didn't change the decision, nor was there any violence against the judges, despite the anger (if anything the rhetoric was far more heated then than now, with the PPP government on the racks and the PAD in the airport - and what, btw, was 'Operation Hiroshima' really about other than a bid to force the court's hand?). Anyway, as I say, there are 400 supposedly battle hardened ex-communists 'protecting' the court, you think the red shirts are getting past those guys?

[penwithcris]

I have to keep repeating that the current government was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED People may not like their policies but that's one of the consequences of living in a democracy

I don't like many of the policies of the current coalition government in UK but it is up to the opposition parties and the strength of public opinion to make the coalition change or modify their ppolicies.

They have a right to govern in the same way that PheuThai have a right to govern. Allowed that right and without rabble rousers like Suthep trying to oust the democratically elected government there would be no need for supporters of the government to rally to their support

I continue to be disappointed that so many posters whose home countries respect democracy somehow feel that Thailand is somehow different. Let the government be judged by it's actions during it's term in office and then, if it falls horribly short, elect a different government at the end of their electoral term

The current government in UK , with an election around the corner, is already trying to 'buy votes' by introducing 'populist policies' it's the way of the World

[IAMSOBAD]

Wear blue on those days and stay away from Central World. Some red shirts might have a case of dejavu.

[Just1Voice]

They will not leave the stadium or go near the Democracy Monument where anti-government protesters are, he said.

Didn't they announce something similar, when almost nobody showed up? Good guy pays again, using Thais' money. And some tax payers money,as his sister is in power. What a joke. Time to step down for all of them.

Even many teachers at my school have changed their minds. About a year ago, almost all of them were red. Time to wake up for all.

Will never forget when I saw the mob driving to Bangkok some moons ago.Thousands in Pick Up trucks with their idol and the specific color.need to puke.-

30,000 red shirts are 31,000 too much. NOT AGAIN,PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!-

Yeah, too bad they can't be like the more peaceful PAD protesters who came before there even were red shirts.

[wolf5370]

I have to keep repeating that the current government was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED People may not like their policies but that's one of the consequences of living in a democracy

I don't like many of the policies of the current coalition government in UK but it is up to the opposition parties and the strength of public opinion to make the coalition change or modify their ppolicies.

They have a right to govern in the same way that PheuThai have a right to govern. Allowed that right and without rabble rousers like Suthep trying to oust the democratically elected government there would be no need for supporters of the government to rally to their support

I continue to be disappointed that so many posters whose home countries respect democracy somehow feel that Thailand is somehow different. Let the government be judged by it's actions during it's term in office and then, if it falls horribly short, elect a different government at the end of their electoral term

The current government in UK , with an election around the corner, is already trying to 'buy votes' by introducing 'populist policies' it's the way of the World

Keep repeating as much as you like - doesn't make things any different. Being democratically elected (even ignoring the not-so-democratic methodologies employed to see that happen) does not give a party carte blanche power. When it becomes impossible for the opposition to stop dubious laws, and the ability of the lower house to do so is withered and side tracked (the 50%+1 rule) then there is little the public can do except take to the streets. That is part of democracy, keep repeating that to yourself - in a democracy people have the right to protest. It is only in this way that corrupt governments do not end up as dictatorships. Comparing Thailand to the UK is far from a like-for-like comparison - there is no free press here, liable laws and their free/frivolous over use close down education and public debate, lies are continuous, there is no recourse on being bad (they even have criminals - and murder suspects - in the houses - and criminal charges have to be left until the end of session) - there is no comparison at all as there is no integrity, no effective oversight, no legitimate challenging press coverage, no independence of judiciary, police or military, and so on.

[Loles]

That's nice of them, I hope they keep to their word.

Are you serious ?

555

these their words : and these also:

Edited November 18, 2013 by Loles