Pheu Thai reverses its stand on Constitutional Court

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Pheu Thai reverses its stand on Constitutional Court



BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai party today issued a 7-point statement reversing its earlier stand on the rejection of the power of the Constitutional Court.

The issuance of the statement came as hundreds of anti-Thai regime demonstrations are marching to its office on Phetburi to show their opposition to the party.

The statement accused the opposition Democrat party and the anti-government protest leaders of trying to mislead the people that the government has lost its legitimacy to rule the country after it defied and refused to accept the power of the Constitutional Court.

In fact, the statement said, the party merely did not accept the ruling of the Constitutional Court on the composition of the Senate handed down on November 20 as the party deemed there is no section in the Constitution that allow the Constitutional Court to accept the petition for consideration and ruling.

It said that the ruling Pheu Thai declared only that the Constitutional Court has no power to accept the petition in particular for consideration. The party did not declare that it will not accept the power of the Constitutional Court in general as understood.

The Pheu Thai party also called on all anti-government protesters to leave all their besieged government complexes and buildings and allow government to return to work as usual.

It supported the prime minister’s dialogue offer through peaceful approach, and called on senior members of the Democrat party, namely Abhisit Vejjajiva and Chuan Leephai to convince the protest leader Suthep Thuagsuban to halt their ongoing sieges of government buildings.

It also supported the pledge of the National Police Office not to use force against the protesters and to exert full restraint in dealing with the protesters.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pheu-thai-reverses-stand-constitutional-court/

-- Thai PBS 2013-11-29

[Crushdepth]

The Empire totters...

[Artisi]

Of course they have reversed their stand , but is the fugitive aware of this statement as yet?

[SABloke]

[Thainy Tim]

Lol..... Horse....... Stable..... ..door!

[waza]

An elegantly executed backflip

[Pi Sek]

Unfortunately for Yinglak and the PTP government, a very large proportion of the public just doesn't trust them any longer to do anything they say they will do nor not do what they say they won't do.

There's one way out now - they have to go. The democratic way to do this would be to voluntarily, sooner rather than later, which might even offer a prolonged political future for the PT bigwigs.

[NoBrainer]

Doesn't look like they reversed their stand at all.

"In fact, the statement said, the party merely did not accept the ruling of the Constitutional Court on the composition of the Senate handed down on November 20"

Looks like the usual belligerent "We know Best, and the rest of you <deleted>" attitude.

How about getting the media to report this correctly, instead of just being a Government mouthpiece?

[rubl]

We accept the power, legal rights and obligations of the Constitutional Court as far as it doesn't interfere with our plans.

We will propose some new laws to clearly define what the court can do, similar to our ongoing work on clearly defining what part of the 2010 murders the ICC may be allowed to rule on in a one-off recognition of it's jurisdiction

[pgrahmm]

Let's see:

The country does not have the money to pay the rice farmers as promised......

Money is finding it's way into a vacuum......

They want to undermine the Constitution.....and render the people powerless....

They want to "free" a brutal criminal, hang a halo on his head and bring him back.....

They want to float a loan in the billions of dollars......

Inept leadership flying all over the planet with a cut and paste happy face.....

Finger puppet politicians.......

Votes and thugs are purchased and following marching orders....

Sounds pretty much like Thai-merica

Except the media seems a bit more balanced here.....

Edited November 29, 2013 by pgrahmm

[Katipo]

That be some serious backpeddling right there. Unfortunately for them it is also as transparent as the space between Yingluck's ears.

[backtonormal]

Unfortunately for Yinglak and the PTP government, a very large proportion of the public just doesn't trust them any longer to do anything they say they will do nor not do what they say they won't do.

There's one way out now - they have to go. The democratic way to do this would be to voluntarily, sooner rather than later, which might even offer a prolonged political future for the PT bigwigs.

Ok so they go...what then. Another election and guess who will win so we are back to square one. With or without Thaksin PTP will walk any election.

[backtonormal]

Doesn't look like they reversed their stand at all.

"In fact, the statement said, the party merely did not accept the ruling of the Constitutional Court on the composition of the Senate handed down on November 20"

Looks like the usual belligerent "We know Best, and the rest of you <deleted>" attitude.

How about getting the media to report this correctly, instead of just being a Government mouthpiece?

Before the coup Thailand had elected Senate memebers, it was only the army who changed it so they could hand pick Senators thereby controlling any government. What was wrong with the 97 constitution

[assayer]

Let's see:

The country does not have the money to pay the rice farmers as promised......

Money is finding it's way into a vacuum......

They want to undermine the Constitution.....and render the people powerless....

They want to "free" a brutal criminal, hang a halo on his head and bring him back.....

They want to float a loan in the billions of dollars......

Inept leadership flying all over the planet with a cut and paste happy face.....

Finger puppet politicians.......

Votes and thugs are purchased and following marching orders....

Sounds pretty much like Thai-merica

Except the media seems a bit more balanced here.....

LMAO

[lemoncake]

They are merely waiting it out, stretching out with no regard for anyone or anything.

Suthep should have started earlier or later to avoid giving them a break

[rct99q]

Unfortunately for Yinglak and the PTP government, a very large proportion of the public just doesn't trust them any longer to do anything they say they will do nor not do what they say they won't do.

There's one way out now - they have to go. The democratic way to do this would be to voluntarily, sooner rather than later, which might even offer a prolonged political future for the PT bigwigs.

Ok so they go...what then. Another election and guess who will win so we are back to square one. With or without Thaksin PTP will walk any election.

Pi Sek - a very large proportion of the public live in Isaan (about 22 million people) and in the North of Thailand like Chiang Mai (about 7 million people), both regions are strong PTP and Thaksin supporters. These two regions (outside of Bangkok) are the largest voting block in Thailand. Most of these votes belong to TS. By hook or by crook they will not vote Democrat party.

So when you say trust "them" maybe...but they trust Abihist and the Dem party even more.

[NoBrainer]

There is something that might help with the Elections. Why does Thailand force people to return home to vote?

If the eligible electoral list was done properly in a database, voters could register at the place they now live, instead of the address on their Tabien Bhan.

This would allow many more people to vote, and the electoral districts would have a totally different make-up of Voters. The vote would be more fair, as you would be voting for the representative where you live instead of where your Tabien Bhan has you registered.

It would just take a proper Data Base to control the voters. Might even cut out some of the vote buying because the local headman would not have as many voters in their village, that they can get too.

[casindonet]

Nothing new for PTP....reverse gear with ICJ.....reverse gear with constitutional court....just a puff of hot air.

[Thait Spot]

Doesn't look like they reversed their stand at all.

 

"In fact, the statement said, the party merely did not accept the ruling of the Constitutional Court on the composition of the Senate handed down on November 20"

 

Looks like the usual belligerent "We know Best, and the rest of you <deleted>" attitude.

 

How about getting the media to report this correctly, instead of just being a Government mouthpiece?

 

Before the coup Thailand had elected Senate memebers, it was only the army who changed it so they could hand pick Senators thereby controlling any government. What was wrong with the 97 constitution

It was good

Then it got raped

Then it got better

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[Thait Spot]

What will be quite interesting and possibly hilarious is the hearing on the 2.2T loan. The complete lack of details on the purpose coupled with further nefarious voting is likely to see the PTP in very hot water resulting in at least the bill being kicked out and quite probably some punitive action.

How will PTP react?

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[Robby nz]

Does this mean they will accept the ruling of the constitution court on the 2.2 trillion bill...................If it goes against them ?

Or will they revert to the original.

[Artisi]

Unfortunately for Yinglak and the PTP government, a very large proportion of the public just doesn't trust them any longer to do anything they say they will do nor not do what they say they won't do.

There's one way out now - they have to go. The democratic way to do this would be to voluntarily, sooner rather than later, which might even offer a prolonged political future for the PT bigwigs.

Ok so they go...what then. Another election and guess who will win so we are back to square one. With or without Thaksin PTP will walk any election.

That being the case, why don't they try it on. Guess they know the answer and it won't be allowed - via a directive from a convicted fugitive criminal - says a lot for the current government doesn't it?

[virtualtraveller]

How about putting out an apology for trying to pull a fast one on the country with the amnesty bill, reversing your previous pledge? That might help. This is just verbal cunning linguist speak. Usual Peau Thai deception.

[Pi Sek]

Unfortunately for Yinglak and the PTP government, a very large proportion of the public just doesn't trust them any longer to do anything they say they will do nor not do what they say they won't do.

There's one way out now - they have to go. The democratic way to do this would be to voluntarily, sooner rather than later, which might even offer a prolonged political future for the PT bigwigs.

Ok so they go...what then. Another election and guess who will win so we are back to square one. With or without Thaksin PTP will walk any election.

Pi Sek - a very large proportion of the public live in Isaan (about 22 million people) and in the North of Thailand like Chiang Mai (about 7 million people), both regions are strong PTP and Thaksin supporters. These two regions (outside of Bangkok) are the largest voting block in Thailand. Most of these votes belong to TS. By hook or by crook they will not vote Democrat party.

So when you say trust "them" maybe...but they trust Abihist and the Dem party even more.

Whilst you're right in that there are votes in Isaan and Pak Neua owned by Thaksin, the Democrats have won some eyebrow-raising by-elections in Peua Thai territory since the last general election in 2011 and there is no doubt that public sentiment has gone against Peua Thai during this protest.

What's more several pro-PTP provinces have seen protests by locals standing up to the central government's shameless attempts to rob them. Some high-profile Red Shirts have actually condemned PTP for going against their word. And let's face it, they haven't delivered on most of their election promises... the "get rich quick" voter base especially wouldn't be so quick to tick #1 and certainly PTP have failed miserably in creating national unity or reconciliation or whatever they want to call it. And the "innocent Red Shirts" - the ones in jail for being at a protest under SOE - are still in jail.

Maybe they would win again, but it's doubtful they would win with anything close to the margin of last time. In most democracies, if a government shows unacceptable conduct there is a resignation (or dissolution, or in Thailand's case a coup, or whatever) and the votes are eventually counted again. Even when there isn't a change in regime, there is always a change in attitude.

[ruddick]

There is something that might help with the Elections. Why does Thailand force people to return home to vote?

If the eligible electoral list was done properly in a database, voters could register at the place they now live, instead of the address on their Tabien Bhan.

This would allow many more people to vote, and the electoral districts would have a totally different make-up of Voters. The vote would be more fair, as you would be voting for the representative where you live instead of where your Tabien Bhan has you registered.

It would just take a proper Data Base to control the voters. Might even cut out some of the vote buying because the local headman would not have as many voters in their village, that they can get too.

This is something I have also long wondered. I think as the majority of the people in Bangkok are from Issan or the North. If there was a change in the voting system I think the PTP would end up with even more seats. The mainly old folks still living in the villages would still vote for who they were told to vote for. They don't kow any better..before there can be anything like a western type of election there would need to be a major voter education program, which will not be happening anytime soon. It is not in the interest of the ruling class.

[JRSoul]

Pi Sek - a very large proportion of the public live in Isaan (about 22 million people) and in the North of Thailand like Chiang Mai (about 7 million people), both regions are strong PTP and Thaksin supporters. These two regions (outside of Bangkok) are the largest voting block in Thailand. Most of these votes belong to TS. By hook or by crook they will not vote Democrat party.

So when you say trust "them" maybe...but they trust Abihist and the Dem party even more.

When they were asked in a blind test, they actually preferred Democrat policies. If the Democrats were allowed to campaign in the area without intimidation and violent interference the area may not be as strongly PTP as you claim.

One democrat policy that was particularly well liked and badly missed was the school uniform and textbook subsidies. As this was traded for the tablet disaster, it left many voters well out of pocket as even those supposed to benefit still needed uniforms and texts. PTP would do well not to hold an election anywhere near the return to school

[tonneke breda]

Changing their stand doesn't affect their opinion, bit to late "Stupid Person"

[khunken]

So 'we will graciously allow the CC to continue but, when it rules against us, we won't accept it' seems to be the faux reversal of their stand.

If an individual Thai criticises a court after a verdict they are liable to prosecution. But PTP are above the law which their leader has proven on more than one occasion.

Suthep is now following the PTP example.

[rubl]

This topic is on the Pheu Thai flipflopping on whether or not under some conditions to accept, condone or reject verdicts of the Constitutional Court. That has nothing to do with the 1997 constitution.

BTW the court ruled that the procedure had not been followed correctly for process and amentments. The court didn't rule on the modified article text itself.

Doesn't look like they reversed their stand at all.

"In fact, the statement said, the party merely did not accept the ruling of the Constitutional Court on the composition of the Senate handed down on November 20"

Looks like the usual belligerent "We know Best, and the rest of you <deleted>" attitude.

How about getting the media to report this correctly, instead of just being a Government mouthpiece?

Before the coup Thailand had elected Senate memebers, it was only the army who changed it so they could hand pick Senators thereby controlling any government. What was wrong with the 97 constitution

[15Peter20]

Why is this statement called a 'reversal'. It is a clarification, understandable in plain English.

They accept the legality of the Constitutional Court to function as laid down by the attendant legislation, but they do not believe that the court acted within its remit when considering a matter brought to them via a petition which fell outside of the required protocol for bringing issues before the court.

As issues go in Thai politics, this isn't such a hard one to grasp.