Abhisit and Suthep face another murder charge from Wat Prathum case

[Cricketnut]

It's really tedious continually accusing Abhisit and Suthep of murder. Both of them are innocent. There is no case. Waste of money, and waste of everyone's time. They acted within Thai law. All their actions were lawful and according to Thai law and Thai constitution. Whoever got killed on that particular day had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home. They were warned numerous times. For heaven's sake, Thai government at that time was dealing with the armed insurrection led by a renegade general. Get some perspective.

We're talking about the deaths at the temple here. Innocent people shot by soldiers. What does your ridiculous theory that innocent people "had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home" have to do with the killings in the temple

Save that rhetoric for one of the other threads, not this one - irrelevant and in bad taste.

They weren't innocent; they were armed by all accounts. Don't dish out what you can't take. Case closed.

Suthep has a nasty history when it comes to his cohorts shooting people and this can't be denied.

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[rubl]

It's really tedious continually accusing Abhisit and Suthep of murder. Both of them are innocent. There is no case. Waste of money, and waste of everyone's time. They acted within Thai law. All their actions were lawful and according to Thai law and Thai constitution. Whoever got killed on that particular day had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home. They were warned numerous times. For heaven's sake, Thai government at that time was dealing with the armed insurrection led by a renegade general. Get some perspective.

We're talking about the deaths at the temple here. Innocent people shot by soldiers. What does your ridiculous theory that innocent people "had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home" have to do with the killings in the temple

Save that rhetoric for one of the other threads, not this one - irrelevant and in bad taste.

They weren't innocent; they were armed by all accounts. Don't dish out what you can't take. Case closed.

Then the same applies again to Suthep re the popcorn shooter and his villain! Argue that....

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Not really comparable situations as with the Laksi shootings the anti-government protesters were attacked and fired upon by red-shirts helping their "blanket amnesty bill pushing" government BEFORE the pocorn shooter appeared. It would seem the gunfire of others and the ineptitude of the police to protect the anti-government protesters caused them to get some more adequate help.

Imagine what government defenders would have said if the blanket amnesty bill had been made law of the land and all these cases against Abhisit/Suthep could no longer be raised

[Stan7444]

So whats next murder charge's against Yingluck because the airforce waited to long before reporting to Malaysia about the missing plane

These charges of Murder would be thrown out of court in the first hearing in any western country

But Thailand loves to play games and holds court hearing like my daughter has tea parties

Guess it proves they have a reason for being

Rubbish, they wouldn't throw the charges out of court. Either these soldiers were acting under orders or they weren't.

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The footage is there, the witnesses are there, we know it was army snipers, and the court has ruled (back in June 2013) that Suthep and Abhisit gave the orders to shoot. So they face their charges.

Maybe going to see an actual hanging?

[tezzainoz]

" The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has closed the case of the shooting of six people at Wat Prathum Wanaram temple. A murder charge has been pressed against former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban."

This is a genuine question. Is the DSI supposed to be completely unbiased?

how long have you been in Thailand 5 mins

The police are famous for charging people for criminal crimes that where no where near the scene

A you said then they can close the books and get on with making tea money

I can have you charged with any crime I want if I want spend some money in Thailand

that does not mean you are guilty

It just means you upset me or it in my interest to do so

Thank you ?

Apart from your unpleasantness I did not understand what you were saying. A mere 'yes' or 'no' would have sufficed.

"...that where no where near..."

"A you said..."

"..I want if I want spend some.."

"...or it in my interest to do so..."

Enjoy yourself and have a great life.

I not need explain Thailand to you

Just live here fro 3-4 years

Your education on Thai life will be better by 1000%

[fab4]

So it was Abhisit and Prayith that refused to investigate the Army, not Tarit? I was of the understanding that it was a Tarit/DSI decision, and considering that the Police/DSI are your lackeys one would have to question why.

Sounds to me like your last sentence is a tad like the kettle calling the pot black considering PT's track record lol

Did I say abhisit and prayuth refused to investigate the army? No, I didn't.

What were you "suggesting" then in that case? You quoted both Abhisit and Prayuth, so what was the point you were making Dr. Bruce?

Why don't you ask me instead of Dr.Bruce?

The point is both abhisit and prayuth are lying through their back teeth.

[fab4]

We're talking about the deaths at the temple here. Innocent people shot by soldiers. What does your ridiculous theory that innocent people "had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home" have to do with the killings in the temple

Save that rhetoric for one of the other threads, not this one - irrelevant and in bad taste.

They weren't innocent; they were armed by all accounts. Don't dish out what you can't take. Case closed.

Then the same applies again to Suthep re the popcorn shooter and his villain! Argue that....

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Not really comparable situations as with the Laksi shootings the anti-government protesters were attacked and fired upon by red-shirts helping their "blanket amnesty bill pushing" government BEFORE the pocorn shooter appeared. It would seem the gunfire of others and the ineptitude of the police to protect the anti-government protesters caused them to get some more adequate help.

Imagine what government defenders would have said if the blanket amnesty bill had been made law of the land and all these cases against Abhisit/Suthep could no longer be raised

Rubl and his revisionist history. You realise that the first person to be shot at Lak Si was a pro government supporter thus making your account a complete fabrication, not that it stops you. Another popcorn gunman hero worshipper, oh well. Try a source other than the Nation or your fellow posters, for pity's sake.

[fab4]

It's really tedious continually accusing Abhisit and Suthep of murder. Both of them are innocent. There is no case. Waste of money, and waste of everyone's time. They acted within Thai law. All their actions were lawful and according to Thai law and Thai constitution. Whoever got killed on that particular day had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home. They were warned numerous times. For heaven's sake, Thai government at that time was dealing with the armed insurrection led by a renegade general. Get some perspective.

We're talking about the deaths at the temple here. Innocent people shot by soldiers. What does your ridiculous theory that innocent people "had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home" have to do with the killings in the temple

Save that rhetoric for one of the other threads, not this one - irrelevant and in bad taste.

They weren't innocent; they were armed by all accounts. Don't dish out what you can't take. Case closed.

The six people in the Wat, armed?!!!! Give me strength, that must be your most ridiculous post ever.

[fab4]

Yes we are.

The difference is you are quoting the MCT article and not the full transcript of the Inquest (subsequently translated into English and reported as Army killed 6 civilians in numerous local and foreign media).

I'm stunned that you and others are still in denial about this despicable act by the army and actually help to protect the myth that the army were not responsible for the killing of the 6 innocent civilians. Actually my feelings go deeper than that , I think it is sick - what do you have to gain by trying to maintain the armys supposed innocence in this? Anything but Thaksin , eh, no matter how low you have to go?

You prefer to believe the likes of this

Spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd said unidentified snipers were responsible for deaths at the temple. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/31/national/Mysterious-death-at-Wat-Pathum-Wanaram-30130490.html

over this? (which is the missing preceding section of the inquest ruling quoted by MCT)

At 09.00, the South Bangkok Criminal Court read an order after completing the post mortem inquest of six deaths that occurred inside Wat Pathum Wanaram Ratcha Worawiharn as a result of the demonstrations on the Rama I Road.

At the request of the public prosecutors of the Office of Attorney General for an inquest on the death of six persons inside Wat Pathum Wanaram Ratcha Worawiharn as it was possible that the deaths have been caused by the act of competent officials who claimed to have performed their official duties. The Court was asked to investigate and rule on who the deceased were, where they died, when they died, causes and circumstances around their deaths as per Section 150 of the Criminal Procedure Code.

After reviewing evidence submitted by the petitioners and relatives of the six deceased including eye-witnesses and other experts, the Court was convinced that the first and the third to the sixth deceased were shot dead by high velocity .223 or 5.56 mm bullets which had been fired by competent officials who were military officials under the charge of Ranger Battalion, Special Force Group 2, Erawan Military Camp while the officials were stationed on the BTS rail tracks. The second deceased was shot dead by high velocity .223 or 5.56 mm bullets which had been fired by competent officials who were military officials under the charge of the 2nd Infantry Battalion, 31st Infantry Division the King’s Guard while the officials were stationed on the BTS rail tracks.

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Deny that.

Just for your info, I provided the link which gives many more bulletins with 'fuller' text.

As for the "fired by competent officials" it ends with "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified.". therefor the DSI will charge Abhisit/Suthep for premeditated murder as private persons.

BTW I would not be surprised if indeed the military caused those deaths, I'm just amazed that some deny the army was still in an, at times fierce battle against 'unknown' militants. Under those circumstances anything can happen, even the unfortunate.

You are beyond belief.

What part of "were shot dead by high velocity .223 or 5.56 mm bullets which had been fired by competent officials who were military officials under the charge of Ranger Battalion, Special Force Group 2" do you not understand.

Yeah the soldiers were in a pitched battle being attacked on all sides whilst firing at medics in a first aid tent from the overhead rail tracks - an unfortunate happening, SIX times. No they haven't got their names.

And still you're trying to make excuses for those murderers.

[Tatsujin]

So it was Abhisit and Prayith that refused to investigate the Army, not Tarit? I was of the understanding that it was a Tarit/DSI decision, and considering that the Police/DSI are your lackeys one would have to question why.

Sounds to me like your last sentence is a tad like the kettle calling the pot black considering PT's track record lol

Did I say abhisit and prayuth refused to investigate the army? No, I didn't.

What were you "suggesting" then in that case? You quoted both Abhisit and Prayuth, so what was the point you were making Dr. Bruce?

Why don't you ask me instead of Dr.Bruce?

The point is both abhisit and prayuth are lying through their back teeth.

Ah, I'd love to see your "proof" of this, but I'm sure "the truth will out" when it goes to Court.

Interesting that you consider A and S to be liars, but don't see the hypocrisy with your own leaders such as Thaksin, Yingluck, Chalerm, Jatuporn, Tarit to name but a few. Hardly saints now are they?

[ggold]

We're talking about the deaths at the temple here. Innocent people shot by soldiers. What does your ridiculous theory that innocent people "had plenty of time to lie down their weapons and go home" have to do with the killings in the temple

Save that rhetoric for one of the other threads, not this one - irrelevant and in bad taste.

They weren't innocent; they were armed by all accounts. Don't dish out what you can't take. Case closed.

Then the same applies again to Suthep re the popcorn shooter and his villain! Argue that....

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Not really comparable situations as with the Laksi shootings the anti-government protesters were attacked and fired upon by red-shirts helping their "blanket amnesty bill pushing" government BEFORE the pocorn shooter appeared. It would seem the gunfire of others and the ineptitude of the police to protect the anti-government protesters caused them to get some more adequate help.

Imagine what government defenders would have said if the blanket amnesty bill had been made law of the land and all these cases against Abhisit/Suthep could no longer be raised

Indeed, We know Thaksin got Tarrit to bring these charges against Abhisit and Suthep for leverage re the amnesty bill. Hoping it would force them to agree to the bill or run from Thailand as he did.

The fact is they were doing what needed to be done within a legal framework. the charges are made up, because if Thaksin went after the army (who if not the MiB were probably to blame for the deaths) He knew what would happen, they would have had a coup in no time.

At the end of the day Abhisit and Suthep are innocent of these charges, we can see that the criminal court has asked the NACC for a ruling or opinion. Because they know the charges are spurious to say the least.

[NeilSA1]

" The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has closed the case of the shooting of six people at Wat Prathum Wanaram temple. A murder charge has been pressed against former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban."

This is a genuine question. Is the DSI supposed to be completely unbiased?

how long have you been in Thailand 5 mins

The police are famous for charging people for criminal crimes that where no where near the scene

A you said then they can close the books and get on with making tea money

I can have you charged with any crime I want if I want spend some money in Thailand

that does not mean you are guilty

It just means you upset me or it in my interest to do so

Thank you ?

Apart from your unpleasantness I did not understand what you were saying. A mere 'yes' or 'no' would have sufficed.

"...that where no where near..."

"A you said..."

"..I want if I want spend some.."

"...or it in my interest to do so..."

Enjoy yourself and have a great life.

I not need explain Thailand to you

Just live here fro 3-4 years

Your education on Thai life will be better by 1000%

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) is a department of the Ministry of Justice of Thailand. It operates independently of the Royal Thai Police and is tasked with the investigation of certain "special cases". These include complex criminal cases, those affecting national security, those involving organised criminal organisations and those potentially implicating high-ranking government officials or police officers.

The DSI is often referred to as Thailand's counterpart to the United States' Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).^[1] Since its inception, the DSI has seen conflicts with the police over jurisdiction and authority over cases, and department officials have publicly expressed concern that the department's work has been consistently subject to political interference."

I imagine the answer is then apparently 'yes' ,the DSI is supposed to be completely unbiased.

[daboyz1]

Wow, shouldn't they be running off to some middle eastern country to avoid the charges? Ohh wait, I only know one politician that does that.

[geriatrickid]

Am I the only one who sees this as an opportunity for Abhisit to throw Suthep under the bus?

It would be a convenient way of removing his major rival for control of the Democrat party and if Abhisit emerges "clean" and a "victim" due to Suthep's decision to instruct the use of live fire, then he could have a shot, albeit a long one, at redemption.

Suthep will be a millstone around the Democrat Party unless he can be pushed off to the sidelines.

Yes, you might be the only one who has the assumption "Suthep major rival to Abhisit for control of the Dems party".

Please also note that one of the funny aspects of the Democrats party is that no one seems to really 'control' it. Probably just their mis-interpretation of 'democracy'

Have you forgotten who Suthep is? He was the principal fundraiser for the party. In political parlance, that's "bagman". Have you forgotten that he was the principal organizer in the south and that he was the one responsible for making sure democrat party supporters voted? Have you forgotten that he was DPM? He was made DPM because of his importance, his influence and his ability to raise money for the party. If not for him, the Democrat party would not have the support in the south. For all intents and purposes, he is the Democrat party in Surat Thani, Krabi, Phuket and Nahkon Si Thammarat. In plain language, no one gets into local political office without his blessing either directly or indirectly. He commands the popular support and has the political influence. When people voted Democrat in the region it was because of him, not Abhisit. I may not like the man, but I recognize that he worked hard to build his political organization and without him, the Democrat party would be nowhere.

[rixalex]

Am I the only one who sees this as an opportunity for Abhisit to throw Suthep under the bus?

It would be a convenient way of removing his major rival for control of the Democrat party and if Abhisit emerges "clean" and a "victim" due to Suthep's decision to instruct the use of live fire, then he could have a shot, albeit a long one, at redemption.

Suthep will be a millstone around the Democrat Party unless he can be pushed off to the sidelines.

Yes, you might be the only one who has the assumption "Suthep major rival to Abhisit for control of the Dems party".

Please also note that one of the funny aspects of the Democrats party is that no one seems to really 'control' it. Probably just their mis-interpretation of 'democracy'

Have you forgotten who Suthep is? He was the principal fundraiser for the party. In political parlance, that's "bagman". Have you forgotten that he was the principal organizer in the south and that he was the one responsible for making sure democrat party supporters voted? Have you forgotten that he was DPM? He was made DPM because of his importance, his influence and his ability to raise money for the party. If not for him, the Democrat party would not have the support in the south. For all intents and purposes, he is the Democrat party in Surat Thani, Krabi, Phuket and Nahkon Si Thammarat. In plain language, no one gets into local political office without his blessing either directly or indirectly. He commands the popular support and has the political influence. When people voted Democrat in the region it was because of him, not Abhisit. I may not like the man, but I recognize that he worked hard to build his political organization and without him, the Democrat party would be nowhere.

Whatever the Democrat party have gained with Suthep's input and influence, i believe they have lost in terms of credibility. They would have been better losing some seats, but not having such a shady character at the top of their organisation. Even amongst a lot of those who actually vote for him, i don't think he is very well liked. It's been a testament to how much dislike there is for the Shin regime that so many people have stood behind this man that they really don't care for either. The mind boggles to think what support there would have been for the anti-government movement, had it been led by someone clean and inspiring. What a shame it wasn't.

[rubl]

Just for your info, I provided the link which gives many more bulletins with 'fuller' text.

As for the "fired by competent officials" it ends with "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified.". therefor the DSI will charge Abhisit/Suthep for premeditated murder as private persons.

BTW I would not be surprised if indeed the military caused those deaths, I'm just amazed that some deny the army was still in an, at times fierce battle against 'unknown' militants. Under those circumstances anything can happen, even the unfortunate.

You are beyond belief.

What part of "were shot dead by high velocity .223 or 5.56 mm bullets which had been fired by competent officials who were military officials under the charge of Ranger Battalion, Special Force Group 2" do you not understand.

Yeah the soldiers were in a pitched battle being attacked on all sides whilst firing at medics in a first aid tent from the overhead rail tracks - an unfortunate happening, SIX times. No they haven't got their names.

And still you're trying to make excuses for those murderers.

and you're somewhat obtuse. Which part of "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified.". do you not understand?

So, even you seem to agree that indeed the soldiers were still battling the 'unknown', but you seem to be unable to understand that those 'unknowns' caused lots of harm and may indirectly be responsible for any unfortunate casualty.

For you it's just the soldiers', 'murderers' and Abhisit/Suthep' premeditated murderers. Nothing to do with UDD leaders shoutcasting about bringing a bottle, Nattawut saying "it's on me", grenade attacks on non-red-shirts starting around the day the court confiscated 43 billion of Thaksin's illgotten gains. No, it's the others, only the others. Well, the premeditated murder charges seem to fit Thaksin well, he told 'his' UDD in October 2009 to build up sufficient force first.

[gemini81]

Wow, shouldn't they be running off to some middle eastern country to avoid the charges? Ohh wait, I only know one politician that does that.

Yeah silly, don't confuse a female dog with its tail between its legs, with 2 men who resemble leaders in comparison.

[rubl]

Am I the only one who sees this as an opportunity for Abhisit to throw Suthep under the bus?

It would be a convenient way of removing his major rival for control of the Democrat party and if Abhisit emerges "clean" and a "victim" due to Suthep's decision to instruct the use of live fire, then he could have a shot, albeit a long one, at redemption.

Suthep will be a millstone around the Democrat Party unless he can be pushed off to the sidelines.

Yes, you might be the only one who has the assumption "Suthep major rival to Abhisit for control of the Dems party".

Please also note that one of the funny aspects of the Democrats party is that no one seems to really 'control' it. Probably just their mis-interpretation of 'democracy'

Have you forgotten who Suthep is? He was the principal fundraiser for the party. In political parlance, that's "bagman". Have you forgotten that he was the principal organizer in the south and that he was the one responsible for making sure democrat party supporters voted? Have you forgotten that he was DPM? He was made DPM because of his importance, his influence and his ability to raise money for the party. If not for him, the Democrat party would not have the support in the south. For all intents and purposes, he is the Democrat party in Surat Thani, Krabi, Phuket and Nahkon Si Thammarat. In plain language, no one gets into local political office without his blessing either directly or indirectly. He commands the popular support and has the political influence. When people voted Democrat in the region it was because of him, not Abhisit. I may not like the man, but I recognize that he worked hard to build his political organization and without him, the Democrat party would be nowhere.

How you forgotten that none of that makes anyone having 'control' of the Democrat party? Are you somewhat confused as the Pheu Thai party works more along those lines?

Edited March 25, 2014 by rubl

[fab4]

Just for your info, I provided the link which gives many more bulletins with 'fuller' text.

As for the "fired by competent officials" it ends with "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified.". therefor the DSI will charge Abhisit/Suthep for premeditated murder as private persons.

BTW I would not be surprised if indeed the military caused those deaths, I'm just amazed that some deny the army was still in an, at times fierce battle against 'unknown' militants. Under those circumstances anything can happen, even the unfortunate.

You are beyond belief.

What part of "were shot dead by high velocity .223 or 5.56 mm bullets which had been fired by competent officials who were military officials under the charge of Ranger Battalion, Special Force Group 2" do you not understand.

Yeah the soldiers were in a pitched battle being attacked on all sides whilst firing at medics in a first aid tent from the overhead rail tracks - an unfortunate happening, SIX times. No they haven't got their names.

And still you're trying to make excuses for those murderers.

and you're somewhat obtuse. Which part of "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified.". do you not understand?

So, even you seem to agree that indeed the soldiers were still battling the 'unknown', but you seem to be unable to understand that those 'unknowns' caused lots of harm and may indirectly be responsible for any unfortunate casualty.

For you it's just the soldiers', 'murderers' and Abhisit/Suthep' premeditated murderers. Nothing to do with UDD leaders shoutcasting about bringing a bottle, Nattawut saying "it's on me", grenade attacks on non-red-shirts starting around the day the court confiscated 43 billion of Thaksin's illgotten gains. No, it's the others, only the others. Well, the premeditated murder charges seem to fit Thaksin well, he told 'his' UDD in October 2009 to build up sufficient force first.

Comprehension again, rubl, comprehension "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified" means no individuals can be identified. Did you not get the "clue" when the inquest specified that the six dead were shot by competent officials who were military and belonged to a particular military unit which was named?

par·tic·u·lar

pə®ˈtikyələr/

adjective

1. 1.

   used to single out an individual member of a specified group or class

Sorry I couldn't find the sarcasm emoticon. So no, I don't agree the soldiers were battling the unknown whilst shooting and killing 6 innocent people at the Wat and more importantly, neither did the Court.

And no it has nothing to do with your rant about shoutcasts and bottles and grenade attacks or even Thaksins confiscated money - in case you haven't noticed it's about 2 groups of soldiers on the elevated tracks shooting into a medic "station" and the grounds of a government sanctioned "safe haven" and killing 6 innocent people and the government and the army lied about it.

[rubl]

and you're somewhat obtuse. Which part of "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified.". do you not understand?

So, even you seem to agree that indeed the soldiers were still battling the 'unknown', but you seem to be unable to understand that those 'unknowns' caused lots of harm and may indirectly be responsible for any unfortunate casualty.

For you it's just the soldiers', 'murderers' and Abhisit/Suthep' premeditated murderers. Nothing to do with UDD leaders shoutcasting about bringing a bottle, Nattawut saying "it's on me", grenade attacks on non-red-shirts starting around the day the court confiscated 43 billion of Thaksin's illgotten gains. No, it's the others, only the others. Well, the premeditated murder charges seem to fit Thaksin well, he told 'his' UDD in October 2009 to build up sufficient force first.

Comprehension again, rubl, comprehension "whilst no particular perpetrators can be identified" means no individuals can be identified. Did you not get the "clue" when the inquest specified that the six dead were shot by competent officials who were military and belonged to a particular military unit which was named?

-- dictionary entry removed --

Sorry I couldn't find the sarcasm emoticon. So no, I don't agree the soldiers were battling the unknown whilst shooting and killing 6 innocent people at the Wat and more importantly, neither did the Court.

And no it has nothing to do with your rant about shoutcasts and bottles and grenade attacks or even Thaksins confiscated money - in case you haven't noticed it's about 2 groups of soldiers on the elevated tracks shooting into a medic "station" and the grounds of a government sanctioned "safe haven" and killing 6 innocent people and the government and the army lied about it.

more distractions and ignoring I wrote "therefor the DSI will charge Abhisit/Suthep for premeditated murder as private persons." Not those groups of soldiers, not the then PM and DPM, no, just private citizens Abhisit and Suthep who somehow managed to convince the CRES and CRES member Tarit to 'go out and shoot me some'.

BTW a 'safe haven' only works if ALL parties involved act as such. With 'unknown' militant still engaging the army anything may happen. I know you don't like the term 'collateral damage', but those militants caused much harm.

PS it would seem that the DSI concentrating on the 'easy' cases really works. Today another ruling,

"The court said Narin was hit in the head by a high-velocity bullet fired from a line of soldiers during an operation to retake an area between Sala Daeng and Ratchadamri from protesters on the orders of the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES)."

Now you may wonder why the army needed to engage in gunfights with 'peaceful protesters'