PM will be given fair chance: NACC

[Lite Beer]

PM will be given fair chance: NACC
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission will give caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra a fair chance to defend herself and will use the same standards as in court trials, NACC member Vicha Mahakun said yesterday.

The NACC is investigating Yingluck on charges of malfeasance and dereliction of duty for her alleged failure to stop losses from the rice-pledging scheme before deciding whether to indict her.

Responding to Yingluck's request that the NACC allow four additional witnesses to give statements on the rice-pledging scheme, Vicha said the NACC had yet to decide whether to accept her request. However, he said he had not seen a written request so the NACC might not be able to consider it on Tuesday.

Earlier, the NACC allowed three more witnesses named by Yingluck to testify. They included caretaker Commerce Minister Niwatthumrong Boonsongpaisan,

his deputy Yanyong Phuangrach and Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong.

Vicha said any of the three witnesses approved by the NACC must have sound reasons if they seek postponement for giving statements from Wednesday to Friday.

Vicha said the NACC would adopt the same standards as courts in allowing witnesses to give statements. "We allow only witnesses who we believe have involvement in the case in some way. We are not allowing all witnesses,'' he said.

The NACC would not make the decision to indict Yingluck at the same time as the case against former Commerce Minister Boonsong Teriyapirom because in the case against Yingluck, the damage has been done. "We have to investigate if she tried to stop the project or not,'' he said.

He refused to commit whether the case against Yingluck would be finalised within this month, adding he would ensure a free and fair investigation.

The NACC submitted its impeachment petition against House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont to the Senate on Friday, Vicha added.

-- The Nation 2014-04-06

[Thai at Heart]

alleged failure to stop losses

Huh? Its a subsidy program. Of course it is going to lose money.

[wprime]

alleged failure to stop losses

Huh? Its a subsidy program. Of course it is going to lose money.

I think they're referring to the losses to corruption.

[NongKhaiKid]

Oh no she won't and how do I know, because PTP and the reds are lining up to tell me.

Listen to Jatuporn on the BBC today saying the public are ready to fight because the Bangkok elite are cheating them.

Simple question K. Jatuporn, what are you now ? You've done quite well out of things thanks to Mr. T and sit at the top table but of course you are not one of the elite and can relax knowing your sheep will believe everything you say.

[Tatsujin]

If you want to know the outcome of all of these cases, here's your answer:

The NACC would not make the decision to indict Yingluck at the same time as the case against former Commerce Minister Boonsong Teriyapirom because in the case against Yingluck, the damage has been done. "We have to investigate if she tried to stop the project or not,'' he said.

The damage has been done. She's gone, along with all the PT MP's and PT itself. They just need to formalize it.

[rametindallas]

If the NACC asks these three questions, it is an open and shut case and there is no possible or even theoretical defense.:

1. As Prime Minister, was it your responsibility to appoint a serious person to chair the Rice Support Program? (yes)

2. As Prime Minister, did you appoint yourself to the position of chair of the Rice Support Program? (yes)

3. Did you, personally, chair any meetings of the Rice Support Program? (no)

Guilty of negligence of duty; we will be recommending a formal indictment to the court and impeachment by the Senate.

No other questions need be asked and there is no defense.

[mikemac]

If the NACC asks these three questions, it is an open and shut case and there is no possible or even theoretical defense.:

1. As Prime Minister, was it your responsibility to appoint a serious person to chair the Rice Support Program? (yes)

2. As Prime Minister, did you appoint yourself to the position of chair of the Rice Support Program? (yes)

3. Did you, personally, chair any meetings of the Rice Support Program? (no)

Guilty of negligence of duty; we will be recommending a formal indictment to the court and impeachment by the Senate.

No other questions need be asked and there is no defense.

Music to my ears !

Will be interesting to hear what the Thai Rouge fans will reply to your post with, if they have the guts to reply at all. Or will they come back with "Suthep is a fascist, Abhisit is a mass murderer, and PTP was elected fairly by the people."

Guess what, as far as the NACC and Yingluck goes, Suthep and Abhisit have nothing to do with her crimes, and the people who voted for (sold their votes to) these crooks were duped, lied to and finally ripped off !!!

[WoopyDoo]

'"We have to investigate if she tried to stop the project or not,'' he said.'

Well considering she has gone on public record many times defending the scheme as 'great' and even issued an official statement back in January that the scheme would continue. That was part of PTP's election manifesto.

I think we can all agree that she has NOT tried to STOP the project.

I would recommend that YL accepts being indicted by the NACC for these much lesser charges than actually being actively involved in all the corruption which she almost certainly will have been.

By slowing down this investigation she is risking instead being indicted by the CC for the illegal transfer of Thawil. If her removal comes at the hands of that particular case. then the NACC will be able to relax because the sentence won't be able to be carried out. That means it could then open the way for her implication into much deeper aspects of the crimes within the scheme and could equally put her into the criminal court system instead.

She will likely be facing a very long prison sentence which of course she will abscond from, and will then share the same status as a fugitive convicted criminal on the run and no longer able to live in Thailand.

Slowly but surely, the Thaksin regime is being dismantled and removed from Thailand.

Edited April 6, 2014 by WoopyDoo

[jaidam]

A fair chance, how daft. She either was in charge of the rice scam, or she wasn't. Legal responsibility does not get any more black/white as this case. More pressing is the issue of how the clan Shinawatra will be forced to repay the staggering 450billion they stole from the poor farmers, and how they will be punished for stealing it.

[mikemac]

'"We have to investigate if she tried to stop the project or not,'' he said.'

Well considering she has gone on public record many times defending the scheme as 'great' and even issued an official statement back in January that the scheme would continue. That was part of PTP's election manifesto.

I think we can all agree that she has NOT tried to STOP the project.

I would recommend that YL accepts being indicted by the NACC for these much lesser charges than actually being actively involved in all the corruption which she almost certainly will have been.

By slowing down this investigation she is risking instead being indicted by the CC for the illegal transfer of Thawil. If her removal comes at the hands of that particular case. then the NACC will be able to relax because the sentence won't be able to be carried out. That means it could then open the way for her implication into much deeper aspects of the crimes within the scheme and could equally put her into the criminal court system instead.

She will likely be facing a very long prison sentence which of course she will abscond from, and will then share the same status as a fugitive convicted criminal on the run and no longer able to live in Thailand.

Slowly but surely, the Thaksin regime is being dismantled and removed from Thailand.

Will they take Chalerm and the rest of the bottom- feeding oxygen thieves with them when they go ?

[pisico]

Meanwhile in Lilliput Khun Suthep asked (and got) postponements for his trial stemming from his tenure of CRES: ordering the RTA to crackdown on the protesters that resulted in the death of journalists, nurses, innocent civilians in a Wat and hundreds of injured Thais including the assassination of Se Dang by a sniper on live TV.

How can Suthep have time to appear in court?

He is so busy leading a protest that hopefully will last 4 or 5 more months until he can become DPM again... or better. .

Let us not forget that Khun Suthep has the full faith, support and credit of the Bangkok Ammart.

Dysfunctional Thailand bent on returning to the feudal past. Red is not better that Yellow. Yellow is no better than Red.

[Pimay1]

Meanwhile in Lilliput Khun Suthep asked (and got) postponements for his trial stemming from his tenure of CRES: ordering the RTA to crackdown on the protesters that resulted in the death of journalists, nurses, innocent civilians in a Wat and hundreds of injured Thais including the assassination of Se Dang by a sniper on live TV.

How can Suthep have time to appear in court?

He is so busy leading a protest that hopefully will last 4 or 5 more months until he can become DPM again... or better. .

Let us not forget that Khun Suthep has the full faith, support and credit of the Bangkok Ammart.

Dysfunctional Thailand bent on returning to the feudal past. Red is not better that Yellow. Yellow is no better than Red.

But, but, but........Suthep

Edited April 6, 2014 by Pimay1

[jaidam]

Meanwhile in Lilliput Khun Suthep asked (and got) postponements for his trial stemming from his tenure of CRES: ordering the RTA to crackdown on the protesters that resulted in the death of journalists, nurses, innocent civilians in a Wat and hundreds of injured Thais including the assassination of Se Dang by a sniper on live TV.

How can Suthep have time to appear in court?

He is so busy leading a protest that hopefully will last 4 or 5 more months until he can become DPM again... or better. .

Let us not forget that Khun Suthep has the full faith, support and credit of the Bangkok Ammart.

Dysfunctional Thailand bent on returning to the feudal past. Red is not better that Yellow. Yellow is no better than Red.

But, but, but........Suthep

I don't know of any impartial observers that don't agree that the Se Deang incident was an inside job. He got his head blown off after boasting in an interview that he was in charge of Thaksin's armed militia that were carrying out his terrorist insurrection in Bangkok to return El Jefe to rule for the rest of his life. One of the only actions of Thaksin that was universally applauded.

[mikemac]

I don't know of any impartial observers that don't agree that the Se Deang incident was an inside job. He got his head blown off after boasting in an interview that he was in charge of Thaksin's armed militia that were carrying out his terrorist insurrection in Bangkok to return El Jefe to rule for the rest of his life. One of the only actions of Thaksin that was universally applauded.

Oh, I don't know, I applauded long and loud when I found out the gutless slug had run away from Thailand into "self exile". Best thing that had happened to Thailand in living memory.

[GuestHouse]

She had 'fair chance' time and time again during her time in Parliament to

• present the accounts of the rice scheme (asked for many times but not presented)
• to present evidence of rice sales (asked for many times but never presented)
• to present evidence of G2G rice deals (asked for many times but never presented)
• to investigate reports of corruption (reported many times but never investigated)

Her chance now to account for her actions - or inactions.

I think that very fair.

[wprime]

She had 'fair chance' time and time again during her time in Parliament to

• present the accounts of the rice scheme (asked for many times but not presented)
• to present evidence of rice sales (asked for many times but never presented)
• to present evidence of G2G rice deals (asked for many times but never presented)
• to investigate reports of corruption (reported many times but never investigated)

Her chance now to account for her actions - or inactions.

I think that very fair.

They were lost in the floods silly!

[Baerboxer]

Oh no she won't and how do I know, because PTP and the reds are lining up to tell me.

Listen to Jatuporn on the BBC today saying the public are ready to fight because the Bangkok elite are cheating them.

Simple question K. Jatuporn, what are you now ? You've done quite well out of things thanks to Mr. T and sit at the top table but of course you are not one of the elite and can relax knowing your sheep will believe everything you say.

Did the BBC, in the interests of fairness and unbiased full reporting, discuss Japtuporn's impending court appearance for breaching his bail conditions on his terrorist charges resulting from his part in the 2010 insurrection riots? Did the question him on exactly how he got "appointed" red leader? Did they probe any unusual increases in wealth? Was their any attempt to push for answers on why farmers hadn't been paid or transparency of accounting to show where the money went?

I didn't catch this on the BBC - but I can probably guess the answer to the above! Who did the interview?

[Scamper]

" Vicha said any of the three witnesses approved by the NACC must have sound reasons if they seek postponement for giving statements from Wednesday to Friday. "

And of course, they will opt to postpone. That's why their names were submitted in the first place. Chalerm's name was added in the hope that he would simply drive the committee members into distraction. At the end of the day, it will be the Constitutional Court's ruling that will come first, almost without question before the end of the month. And it is impossible to imagine that their interpretation will be any different than the unanimous one given by the Supreme Administrative Court.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Scamper

[Thai at Heart]

alleged failure to stop losses

Huh? Its a subsidy program. Of course it is going to lose money.

I think they're referring to the losses to corruption.

Well that is exactly what it doesn't say. So well just have to hope that something rather vital got lost in translation.

[Thai at Heart]

If the NACC asks these three questions, it is an open and shut case and there is no possible or even theoretical defense.:

1. As Prime Minister, was it your responsibility to appoint a serious person to chair the Rice Support Program? (yes)

2. As Prime Minister, did you appoint yourself to the position of chair of the Rice Support Program? (yes)

3. Did you, personally, chair any meetings of the Rice Support Program? (no)

Guilty of negligence of duty; we will be recommending a formal indictment to the court and impeachment by the Senate.

No other questions need be asked and there is no defense.

Has anyone been jailed for corruption pertaining to the rice policy yet? If not, what corruption would you like her to be convicted of.

I am not defending her of anything, but the system can't convict her on the back of newspaper headlines. Its a little like the woman at the news of the world.

They can't convict her of managing illegal phone hacking until they convict an underling of committing phone hacking.

[Thaddeus]

I don't know of any impartial observers that don't agree that the Se Deang incident was an inside job. He got his head blown off after boasting in an interview that he was in charge of Thaksin's armed militia that were carrying out his terrorist insurrection in Bangkok to return El Jefe to rule for the rest of his life. One of the only actions of Thaksin that was universally applauded.

Oh, I don't know, I applauded long and loud when I found out the gutless slug had run away from Thailand into "self exile". Best thing that had happened to Thailand in living memory.

Seconded.

Now, every one close their eyes and count to one hundred.

That'll give her time to change that moon-boot for running shoes.

[NongKhaiKid]

Oh no she won't and how do I know, because PTP and the reds are lining up to tell me.

Listen to Jatuporn on the BBC today saying the public are ready to fight because the Bangkok elite are cheating them.

Simple question K. Jatuporn, what are you now ? You've done quite well out of things thanks to Mr. T and sit at the top table but of course you are not one of the elite and can relax knowing your sheep will believe everything you say.

Did the BBC, in the interests of fairness and unbiased full reporting, discuss Japtuporn's impending court appearance for breaching his bail conditions on his terrorist charges resulting from his part in the 2010 insurrection riots? Did the question him on exactly how he got "appointed" red leader? Did they probe any unusual increases in wealth? Was their any attempt to push for answers on why farmers hadn't been paid or transparency of accounting to show where the money went?

I didn't catch this on the BBC - but I can probably guess the answer to the above! Who did the interview?

The actual interview was only a sound byte with Jatuporn saying how the elite had cheated the public and the public were ready to fight to prevent in continuing. He used ' we ' to include himself amongst those who had been cheated

The report was presented by, Drum Roll, Jonathan Head.

[rametindallas]

Meanwhile in Lilliput Khun Suthep asked (and got) postponements for his trial stemming from his tenure of CRES: ordering the RTA to crackdown on the protesters that resulted in the death of journalists, nurses, innocent civilians in a Wat and hundreds of injured Thais including the assassination of Se Dang by a sniper on live TV.

How can Suthep have time to appear in court?

He is so busy leading a protest that hopefully will last 4 or 5 more months until he can become DPM again... or better. .

Let us not forget that Khun Suthep has the full faith, support and credit of the Bangkok Ammart.

Dysfunctional Thailand bent on returning to the feudal past. Red is not better that Yellow. Yellow is no better than Red.

Meanwhile in Lilliput Khun Suthep asked

Let us not forget that Khun Suthep

Meanwhile, let us not forget to try to change the subject every time it looks bad for Thaksin and his puppets. This technique might work on your weak-minded Red brethren, but most of up see through your ploy like a clear pane of glass. I suggest you try another tactic; this one's not working.

[GentlemanJim]

PM will be given fair chance: NACC

Well that will be more than she gave to the poor of this country that voted for her and the people of the country she took an oath to serve.

[GeckosDiving]

So I guess she wants to be treated fairly you know "NOT" like the farmers or the kids that were killed by her red shirt minion thugs and not have everyone jumping up & down and cheering when they were told what happened Oh now she wants double standards No Surprise here !!

[rametindallas]

A little 'food for thought' for both sides:

'When Should Government Officials Be Criminally Liable for Failure to Prevent Corruption?Reflections on Thailand, and Beyond'

http://globalanticorruptionblog.com/2014/03/11/when-should-government-officials-be-criminally-liable-for-failure-to-prevent-corruption-reflections-on-thailand-and-beyond/

[klauskunkel]

She had 'fair chance' time and time again during her time in Parliament to

• present the accounts of the rice scheme (asked for many times but not presented)
• to present evidence of rice sales (asked for many times but never presented)
• to present evidence of G2G rice deals (asked for many times but never presented)
• to investigate reports of corruption (reported many times but never investigated)

Her chance now to account for her actions - or inactions.

I think that very fair.

...but, all that stuff was stolen...by farangs...members of ThaiVisa forum...

[jaidam]

A little 'food for thought' for both sides:

'When Should Government Officials Be Criminally Liable for Failure to Prevent Corruption?Reflections on Thailand, and Beyond'

http://globalanticorruptionblog.com/2014/03/11/when-should-government-officials-be-criminally-liable-for-failure-to-prevent-corruption-reflections-on-thailand-and-beyond/

Good article. She must have realized something was afoot when Arisman bought a fleet of widebody jets and her big brother boasted to Forbes that his wealth had increased 450% since the inception of his rice scam. Or is she a bit daft?

[SICHONSTEVE]

If the NACC asks these three questions, it is an open and shut case and there is no possible or even theoretical defense.:

1. As Prime Minister, was it your responsibility to appoint a serious person to chair the Rice Support Program? (yes)

2. As Prime Minister, did you appoint yourself to the position of chair of the Rice Support Program? (yes)

3. Did you, personally, chair any meetings of the Rice Support Program? (no)

Guilty of negligence of duty; we will be recommending a formal indictment to the court and impeachment by the Senate.

No other questions need be asked and there is no defense.

Has anyone been jailed for corruption pertaining to the rice policy yet? If not, what corruption would you like her to be convicted of.

I am not defending her of anything, but the system can't convict her on the back of newspaper headlines. Its a little like the woman at the news of the world.

They can't convict her of managing illegal phone hacking until they convict an underling of committing phone hacking.

Show me where he has accused her of corruption - she has been accused of negligence of duty because she was warned of the damage the rice scam would do and ignored those warnings. She also refused to stop it, when as head of the scam she should have been aware of the missing 400 billions of baht and 2 million tons of unaccounted for rice!!

To then say it is part of their mandate in the nullified Feb 2nd elections was irresponsible to the extreme and pretending that everything was hunky dory and that the lies were acceptable was madness on her part as boss of the scam. As per usual, she adopted her 'it will be OK' attitude when it was far from that - wishing problems will go away just doesn't work!!!

[Dogmatix]

If the NACC asks these three questions, it is an open and shut case and there is no possible or even theoretical defense.:

1. As Prime Minister, was it your responsibility to appoint a serious person to chair the Rice Support Program? (yes)

2. As Prime Minister, did you appoint yourself to the position of chair of the Rice Support Program? (yes)

3. Did you, personally, chair any meetings of the Rice Support Program? (no)

Guilty of negligence of duty; we will be recommending a formal indictment to the court and impeachment by the Senate.

No other questions need be asked and there is no defense.

What, you mean no need to hear Dr Chalerm's testimony?