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DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

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HUH Apprentice Member

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Well id advice them then to avoid Samui and your busines 2!!

as there so much more crime and corruption there compared to this tiny place.

Crime, accidents, murders, corruption are relative to the per person population count, Koh Tao according to the last official figures that have been released in 2006 was 1,382. Now obviously that has grown and does not take into account the local immigrant population.

Samui has an official count taken in 2008 of 50,000 and Phuket 503,000 taken in 2013 so pretty much up to date.

With Koh Tao such a small place and such a small population there appears to be some serious safety issues, hence why it is now international news

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Well id advice them then to avoid Samui and your busines 2!!

as there so much more crime and corruption there compared to this tiny place.

Crime, accidents, murders, corruption are relative to the per person population count, Koh Tao according to the last official figures that have been released in 2006 was 1,382. Now obviously that has grown and does not take into account the local immigrant population.

Samui has an official count taken in 2008 of 50,000 and Phuket 503,000 taken in 2013 so pretty much up to date.

With Koh Tao such a small place and such a small population there appears to be some serious safety issues, hence why it is now international news

AFAIK population has never been mentioned in stories.

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Thai Police Absent From Inquiry Into Koh Tao Torture Claims

he commission invited police to take questions before the accused’s parents at their office in Bangkok on Monday, but Dr. Nirun Pitakwatchara, the chairman of the commission, told reporters at a press conference that police had failed to show up for the second time in less than a week. Out of four meetings that the commission has convened, police have only sent representatives to the first two.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/thai-police-absent-inquiry-koh-tao-torture-claims.html

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Koh Tao Murder: Rights Agency Threatens Legal Action Against Police

BANGKOK – A top human rights official has threatened to prosecute Thai police if they refuse to explain the alleged torture of two Burmese men accused of murdering a pair of British tourists.

Niran Pitakwatchara, chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), said police failed to show up for a hearing about their alleged torture of the two murder suspects, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1415024472

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Even more amazed ive lived here a decade , cerairly watch a lot of movie and thinked and write enything in english. But seriously. Enyways ,later. And im faking that english is my second language.

Maby ghe difrence is that you English lot dont have second language.

So when u hear something what sound familiar. U think you bust be from bristol.

Pmsl ,this is getting hilarious maby ill stick around another hour just for laughts.

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Koh Tao Murder: Rights Agency Threatens Legal Action Against Police

BANGKOK – A top human rights official has threatened to prosecute Thai police if they refuse to explain the alleged torture of two Burmese men accused of murdering a pair of British tourists.

Niran Pitakwatchara, chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), said police failed to show up for a hearing about their alleged torture of the two murder suspects, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1415024472

Strong words and an indication of the attitude the RTP have to this instead of attending the meetings to explain their position..........oh wait they haven't figured how to wriggle out of this one yet. Lets hope this proceeds.

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It now seems possible, that the reason the "rush to DNA clearance" was a tip off from the Scotland Yard detectives that there are "several" DNA' hits from the bodies,

they may have rushed to shield the kid, ahead of a new, unexpected disclosure from the UK investigation

that "third DNA" is their problem as, if there were 3 rapists,

why are they only settling for 2?

Where is this information sourced from? It is highly speculative.

the police said several times that dna from 3 separate men were taken,

so far, they onluy matched 2

So far they SAY they have a match for 2, but the rejections from the prosicution office lead to believe otherwise.

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BANGKOK, Nov 1 -- The Royal Thai Police on Saturday said the DNA test results from the son of a Ko Tao village head released by four Bangkok hospitals did not match DNA traces on evidence obtained at the scene of the September murders of two British tourists, according to a police spokesman.

Bangkok, Nov 3
“the chairman of the Thai HRC said he is deeply sorry for the Thai police’s lack of cooperation on the case.”

Any question left?

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BANGKOK, Nov 1 -- The Royal Thai Police on Saturday said the DNA test results from the son of a Ko Tao village head released by four Bangkok hospitals did not match DNA traces on evidence obtained at the scene of the September murders of two British tourists, according to a police spokesman.

Bangkok, Nov 3

“the chairman of the Thai HRC said he is deeply sorry for the Thai police’s lack of cooperation on the case.”

Any question left?

2 unrelated stories. An HRC commissioner with his team said that the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers, confessed to him. See my link above.

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1 month old regurgitated snippet, same claim was put out from the thai human rights commissioner back then right around the time andy hall and co were getting a human rights team over to help, only at that point did the Thai version suddenly pop up and subsequent claims. Unfortunately the Thai HRC dosnt carry much international credibility or respect regarding protecting and highlighting human rights abuse in Thailand. They should from day one have been doing the the job Andy Hall and co have but of course being the Thai version of human rights they did nothing until shamed into it.

You shouldnt be surprised the first meeting the Thai HRC got they came out with that confession claim .Convenient or what ?

It is not an opinion or claim repeated by anyone else after seeing the boys and it has certainly not been repeated by other human rights representatives and is not up to date or new information. It was also a claim made BEFORE anyone had afforded the 2 Burmese any access to lawyers or Proper Human rights representatives...

People need to take note that decent Human Rights concerns and representatives came from outside Thailand and had to be brought into Thailand in order to get any Rights respected, this should make it very clear the low regard that the Thai HRC is held in internationally, this is because being Thai they are totally ineffective due to the Thai system and culture. Mostly they are just ignored and theres little the Thai HRC can do about that.

Its a rerun to appear like its new information...... Its important to watch how the thai press and media become influenced to run certain stories to make the Burmese still appear guilty in the publics eye..... a HRC claim they repeated their guilt of course would be nice and convenient for the RTP.

This is a misleading post and is not new, nice try

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1 month old regurgitated snippet, same claim was put out from the thai human rights commissioner back then right around the time andy hall and co were getting a human rights team over to help, only at that point did the Thai version suddenly pop up and subsequent claims. Unfortunately the Thai HRC dosnt carry much international credibility or respect regarding protecting and highlighting human rights abuse in Thailand. They should from day one have been doing the the job Andy Hall and co have but of course being the Thai version of human rights they did nothing until shamed into it.

You shouldnt be surprised the first meeting the Thai HRC got they came out with that confession claim .Convenient or what ?

It is not an opinion or claim repeated by anyone else after seeing the boys and it has certainly not been repeated by other human rights representatives and is not up to date or new information. It was also a claim made BEFORE anyone had afforded the 2 Burmese any access to lawyers or Proper Human rights representatives...

People need to take note that decent Human Rights concerns and representatives came from outside Thailand and had to be brought into Thailand in order to get any Rights respected, this should make it very clear the low regard that the Thai HRC is held in internationally.

Its a rerun to appear like its new information...... Its important to watch how the thai press and media become influenced to run certain stories to make the Burmese still appear guilty in the publics eye..... a HRC claim they repeated their guilt of course would be nice and convenient for the RTP.

This is a misleading post and is not new, nice try

Hmmmm yet not only is it an accurate story. It bears direct relevance to the other HRC story.

Nice selectively sensitive ignore function you have there EO

Edit -you didn't pay attention it is not a rerun, it's from the 7th.

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Pornthip... Credibility severely damaged in 1 word. GT200

You fail to recognise or accept what Porntip actually said. She didn't say she should have been asked to attend in person. What she pointed out was the failure of the RTP to get Forensic Pathologists onto the crime scene as a matter of urgent procedure. It's hardly surprising the RTP failed to do this when you have phographic evidence of the 'persons of interest' invading the scene on day 1. Any forensic evidence taken from the crime scene and subsequently used in a court of law is corrupted and quite rightly open to contradiction by the defence lawyers, prosecutors, judges, and anyone else whose concern is seeing justice prevail.

You fail to recognize what she actually said. She said she could make the gt200 work. Permanently damaging her credibility.

I don't know the qualifications of the 7 officers who were on the scene, and I doubt she did when she said a specialist should have been called. (I doubt any were DNA specialists but some may have had training)

The issue of letting persons of interest in, is a red herring. There were no persons of interest at the time. Nobody should have been let into the crime scene ideally. The problem here arises when you realize you are in Thailand and notifying the headman was natural.

Yes the case is flawed. It is up to the judges to decide if it is fatally flawed or not.

Letting "persons of interest in" is not a red herring. The issue of letting anyone that is not part of the investigation onto the crime scene is criminal negligence and immediately resulted in a contaminated crime scene.

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Read the post again

"nobody should have..."

And no it is not criminal negligence.

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1 month old regurgitated snippet, same claim was put out from the thai human rights commissioner back then right around the time andy hall and co were getting a human rights team over to help, only at that point did the Thai version suddenly pop up and subsequent claims. Unfortunately the Thai HRC dosnt carry much international credibility or respect regarding protecting and highlighting human rights abuse in Thailand. They should from day one have been doing the the job Andy Hall and co have but of course being the Thai version of human rights they did nothing until shamed into it.

You shouldnt be surprised the first meeting the Thai HRC got they came out with that confession claim .Convenient or what ?

It is not an opinion or claim repeated by anyone else after seeing the boys and it has certainly not been repeated by other human rights representatives and is not up to date or new information. It was also a claim made BEFORE anyone had afforded the 2 Burmese any access to lawyers or Proper Human rights representatives...

People need to take note that decent Human Rights concerns and representatives came from outside Thailand and had to be brought into Thailand in order to get any Rights respected, this should make it very clear the low regard that the Thai HRC is held in internationally.

Its a rerun to appear like its new information...... Its important to watch how the thai press and media become influenced to run certain stories to make the Burmese still appear guilty in the publics eye..... a HRC claim they repeated their guilt of course would be nice and convenient for the RTP.

This is a misleading post and is not new, nice try

Hmmmm yet not only is it an accurate story. It bears direct relevance to the other HRC story.

Nice selectively sensitive ignore function you have there EO

Edit -you didn't pay attention it is not a rerun, it's from the 7th.

Oh unluckily for you I pay attention

The date means absolutely nothing, its not new information at all, it IS old and you know it.

Its a rerun of exactly the same claim and story from a month ago.

The ignore function is fine until i see quotes where your trying to mislead people, mostly you messing with people isnt of interest to me but when you try and paint something other than what it is , then I think its only right people know the truth.

Care to comment on the Thai HRC effectiveness in general here and why it took international pressure and HRC to get the suspects any rights at all ?

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Again EO, The story as posted isn't a rerun. It is the story from the 7th. Perfectly valid when the discussion turns to the HRC.

That you are not using ignore as claimed comes as no surprise, nor does your still being in Thailand 4.5 years after I first saw you talking about leaving.

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Again EO, The story as posted isn't a rerun. It is the story from the 7th. Perfectly valid when the discussion turns to the HRC.

That you are not using ignore as claimed comes as no surprise, nor does your still being in Thailand 4.5 years after I first saw you talking about leaving.

The Thai Human Rights Commission accepted a petition submitted by the accused’s parents last week, in which they ask the commission to look into allegations that the two men were forced into their confessions.

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Again EO, The story as posted isn't a rerun. It is the story from the 7th. Perfectly valid when the discussion turns to the HRC.

That you are not using ignore as claimed comes as no surprise, nor does your still being in Thailand 4.5 years after I first saw you talking about leaving.

The Thai Human Rights Commission accepted a petition submitted by the accused’s parents last week, in which they ask the commission to look into allegations that the two men were forced into their confessions.

To the police. There's no such allegations about the confessions to the HRC.

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Again EO, The story as posted isn't a rerun. It is the story from the 7th. Perfectly valid when the discussion turns to the HRC.

That you are not using ignore as claimed comes as no surprise, nor does your still being in Thailand 4.5 years after I first saw you talking about leaving.

The Thai Human Rights Commission accepted a petition submitted by the accused’s parents last week, in which they ask the commission to look into allegations that the two men were forced into their confessions.

To the police. There's no such allegations about the confessions to the HRC.

Who do you believe in any of this..... truly?

jdinasia Star Member

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Again EO, The story as posted isn't a rerun. It is the story from the 7th. Perfectly valid when the discussion turns to the HRC.

That you are not using ignore as claimed comes as no surprise, nor does your still being in Thailand 4.5 years after I first saw you talking about leaving.

The Thai Human Rights Commission accepted a petition submitted by the accused’s parents last week, in which they ask the commission to look into allegations that the two men were forced into their confessions.

To the police. There's no such allegations about the confessions to the HRC.

Who do you believe in any of this..... truly?

If you choose not to believe the HRC, then do so. I have no issue with that.

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