rideride Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Hi, so I am simply on a tourist visa, but as it happened I was recommended to a company who needed some help and so they approached me, asking me for one month of freelance work. Now I was 100% sure that this is highly illegal and that there is no way around it.But the head of their HR said it is okay as long as they would pay the full tax (not just "3%" as she said) and government is actually happy for the extra cash.She seems very knowledgable, but I am not buying it.Can anybody shed some definite light on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Don Mega Posted November 27, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2014 Head of HR is waffling lots of bullshite. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnestockholm Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's illegal what ever say try to tell you. If you need the money do it and if they catch you take the penalty. But as long as you are doing it on low profile and only for one month the risk is low. Work as a freelancer from a coffee or from your hotel room. Avoid staying in there office. It's unlike but visits from the immigration could happening and than you are in real trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well yeah they want to declare the whole thing officially etc. - nothing hidden.So it would show up somewhere anyway.Now, once authorities might figure it out I would be home anyway, but I have no interest in that kind of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnestockholm Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Without a work permit they can't do anything official. So if it doesn't feel right don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Does it say on your Tourist Visa "Employment Prohibited" or does it say "Employment is okay as long as full tax is paid"? She probably IS knowledgeable, but is she being 100% honest with you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 "REMARK:Non-Employment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Anyway, "this is Thailand", so don't poop where you eat or tread on other people's toes; don't upset any natives and keep your head down. Enjoy your stay Edited November 27, 2014 by Squeegee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yeah...apparently she is the only one aware of that rule.If she can show me some official document, I might bite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul944 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yes it is illegal and smarter not to pay tax at all because if you pay tax it would be registered that you did work, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yeah, but in fact she is super strict and would not allow for anything next to the books.So that is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post falangjim Posted November 27, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yeah... apparently she is the only one aware of that rule. If she can show me some official document, I might bite... It sounds like you want to do something you know is illegal, and are waiting for someone here on TVF to justify it to you to make your decision easier. Good luck with that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianp0803 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Many reputable prestigious schools hire teachers on tourist visas and have them start work immediately for about 6 weeks while they prepare the paperwork to get the non-b visa and later a work permit. Technically illegal but common practice. I've seen English summer camps give paperwork for non-b before starting short term work but the contract finishes before getting a work permit. Maybe the government doesn't pursue if they are getting their taxes. Not the same as legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Yeah...apparently she is the only one aware of that rule.If she can show me some official document, I might bite... It sounds like you want to do something you know is illegal, and are waiting for someone here on TVF to justify it to you to make your decision easier. Good luck with that. No, I just want to know. If she shows me some clear proof then i will consider it, else run for the hills. Many reputable prestigious schools hire teachers on tourist visas and have them start work immediately for about 6 weeks while they prepare the paperwork to get the non-b visa and later a work permit.Technically illegal but common practice.I've seen English summer camps give paperwork for non-b before starting short term work but the contract finishes before getting a work permit.Maybe the government doesn't pursue if they are getting their taxes. Not the same as legal. I see. Well I guess that the different agencies aren't really connected and you can pay taxes while being on a tourist visa without anybody noticing. Edited November 28, 2014 by rideride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mngmn Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I doubt very much they will pay taxes. Just their way of reducing your fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayned Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 The tax issue is "hogwash"! If you were going to work in Thailand for only 1 month in the calendar year and you were single, you would have to make over 240,000 baht during that month or your tax liability for the year would be zero! Do you even have a tax ID number? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak sa_ngop Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I doubt very much they will pay taxes. Just their way of reducing your fee. I think its more likely that the 'tax' will be deducted from your fee and go straight into her pocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Just use your home address in your country and get the filing document from the lady for the Revenue Department. It should be 15%. You might also tell her you are only willing to do the work if they assist you in getting a None Immi B visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 Just use your home address in your country and get the filing document from the lady for the Revenue Department. It should be 15%. You might also tell her you are only willing to do the work if they assist you in getting a None Immi B visa. Yes she said something about 15%. We also talked about billing from my home country, so maybe there is a misunderstanding. How would that work with the Revenue Department? I am not necessarily interested in a work visa, but let's see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) Many reputable prestigious schools hire teachers on tourist visas and have them start work immediately for about 6 weeks while they prepare the paperwork to get the non-b visa and later a work permit. Technically illegal but common practice. I've seen English summer camps give paperwork for non-b before starting short term work but the contract finishes before getting a work permit. Maybe the government doesn't pursue if they are getting their taxes. Not the same as legal. "Many reputable prestigious schools ..." Define "many" and "prestigious." It's illegal to work if you entered the country on a Tourist Visa. Not really debatable. Undoubtedly some people do it anyway and go undetected. It seems the O/P is hoping someone will say it's OK. It's not OK, but he already knew that. So it's up to him if he wants to risk it. Most tourists aren't randomly approached by businesses that want to employ them, so presumably he came here looking for something. If his intention was to come here seeking employment and he will be looking for more opportunities, he'd probably be better off to go about it following the rules. Edited November 28, 2014 by Suradit69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdecas Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Be very leery of advice that you strongly suspect is untrue; a work permit is black and white: if you don't have one there are no ifs and buts, you cannot legally work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Yeah, but in fact she is super strict and would not allow for anything next to the books. So that is weird. She is not strict, she is taking the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideride Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 Many reputable prestigious schools hire teachers on tourist visas and have them start work immediately for about 6 weeks while they prepare the paperwork to get the non-b visa and later a work permit. Technically illegal but common practice. I've seen English summer camps give paperwork for non-b before starting short term work but the contract finishes before getting a work permit. Maybe the government doesn't pursue if they are getting their taxes. Not the same as legal. "Many reputable prestigious schools ..." Define "many" and "prestigious." It's illegal to work if you entered the country on a Tourist Visa. Not really debatable. Undoubtedly some people do it anyway and go undetected. It seems the O/P is hoping someone will say it's OK. It's not OK, but he already knew that. So it's up to him if he wants to risk it. Most tourists aren't randomly approached by businesses that want to employ them, so presumably he came here looking for something. If his intention was to come here seeking employment and he will be looking for more opportunities, he'd probably be better off to go about it following the rules. Well, I used to work here, so I still got some connections. That way I also know that the company is sound, but I just doubted what HR told me could be correct. They will check with their lawyer now, they said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Many reputable prestigious schools hire teachers on tourist visas and have them start work immediately for about 6 weeks while they prepare the paperwork to get the non-b visa and later a work permit. Technically illegal but common practice. I've seen English summer camps give paperwork for non-b before starting short term work but the contract finishes before getting a work permit. Maybe the government doesn't pursue if they are getting their taxes. Not the same as legal. "Many reputable prestigious schools ..." Define "many" and "prestigious." It's illegal to work if you entered the country on a Tourist Visa. Not really debatable. Undoubtedly some people do it anyway and go undetected. It seems the O/P is hoping someone will say it's OK. It's not OK, but he already knew that. So it's up to him if he wants to risk it. Most tourists aren't randomly approached by businesses that want to employ them, so presumably he came here looking for something. If his intention was to come here seeking employment and he will be looking for more opportunities, he'd probably be better off to go about it following the rules. Basically every school and agency does that, if you don't have teaching experience here don't comment on things you don't know about. An Assumption College school did it that way for me, you don't get much more prestigious than that. It's totally standard practice, no risk for the school they just say they're in the process of getting the permit sorted. If you haven't noticed laws here don't work like nanny state western countries, it's about who the school knows. OP, it's ok. Your risk of dire consequences is zero. Everything can be solved with a minor fine if it even came to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bapoboy Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 what happen if you work without work permit ? penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Yeah... apparently she is the only one aware of that rule. If she can show me some official document, I might bite... It sounds like you want to do something you know is illegal, and are waiting for someone here on TVF to justify it to you to make your decision easier. Good luck with that. Absolutely spot on. Every time someone tells him why he should not he comes back with a reason why maybe he should. If any one gives him a yes then he would jump at it. Very foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Why are people talking about schools and teaching here? I see nothing in the OP about teaching. Let's not derail this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Have the HR person look at the "Notification for engagement in necessary and urgent work" WP.10 Necessary and urgent work - S.9.pdf Urgent Work Acknowledgement rule BE 2545 - ThaiLaws.pdf It allows you to work for 15 days, then repeat once, and you have your month of work, all legal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer666 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 If she is telling you the truth. Then she is the only person in Thailand who knows about this.. It's bull, don't even risk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianp0803 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 It was talking about the common practice from several reputable organizations having new employees(teachers) working on a tourist visa the first 4-6 weeks of employment while paperwork for non-b was prepared. Maybe other professions initially working on tourist isn't common practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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