Wanted former redshirt guard is linked to Wanna, a key suspect in deadly bomb blast

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Wanted former redshirt guard is linked to Wanna, a key suspect in deadly bomb blast



BANGKOK: -- The investigation into the two bomb blasts in August is almost close to prosecution of the arrested suspects in the court with latest finding revealing that the fugitive Thai bomb suspect said to be a former redshirt guard had connection with the most wanted Thai woman suspect now living in Turkey.

Royal Thai Police spokesman Pol Lt Gen Prawut Thavornsiri said latest investigation had obtained evidence that was substantial to confirm two Thai bomb suspects, Yongyuth Pobkaew, alias Aod Phayoongwong, and Mrs Wanna Suansan, also known by her Muslim name, Maisaroh, belonged to the same network.

He didn’t elaborate.

But another source said Wanna was a person who arranged rented rooms for other conspirators to live. She escaped to Turkey with her Turkish husband after the bombings.

The Royal Thai Police is now in the process of coordination with the Turkish embassy for information of the status of several wanted suspects now living in Turkey.

Aod, a former redshirt guard who was wanted in two deadly bombings in 2010 and 2014, and Mrs Wanna, are among 17 suspects wanted in connection with the deadly Erawan shrine explosion on August 17 and Sathorn pier explosion on August 18.

Of all the 17 suspects, only two foreigners were arrested. They are Adem Karadag, the yellow-shirt man who planted the bomb at the shrine, and Yusufu Meirili, the man who detonated the bomb at the shrine with mobile phone.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/wanted-former-redshirt-guard-is-linked-to-wanna-a-key-suspect-in-deadly-bomb-blast

-- Thai PBS 2015-10-13

[phuketruski]

im confused .....

turkish human traffickers , chinese urghurs , red shirts?

are they saying they all conspiring together?

thais tend to beleive anything there hear on the news .

[tom21]

as long as it is not the red shirts or military things will be ok

[Tatsujin]

So, we've gone from "no Thai's could ever be involved in something so heinous", to 15 x Thai's and 2 x foreigners involved ... enough said.

[DiscoDan]

I wonder if there is any connection to the bomb in Turkey last week ? There still doesn't seem to be enough of a motive to do this and at the moment the same can be said of the bomb in Turkey.

[Alration]

im confused .....

turkish human traffickers , chinese urghurs , red shirts?

are they saying they all conspiring together?

thais tend to beleive anything there hear on the news .

No reports have linked "red shirts" to the bombing, that's just you. The man that is being sought, Aod, was allegedly a guard for them, that's all.

[phuketruski]

im confused .....

turkish human traffickers , chinese urghurs , red shirts?

are they saying they all conspiring together?

thais tend to beleive anything there hear on the news .

No reports have linked "red shirts" to the bombing, that's just you. The man that is being sought, Aod, was allegedly a guard for them, that's all.

can u read or did you read the title of the article?

[coulson]

Adem Karadag has now been identified as Mr. yellow shirt?

[ddavidovsky]

The junta must have thought they might as well make some political capital out of this by sowing seeds in people's minds. If they equate "bombs" with "red shirts" often enough, people will believe it, despite the lack of any empirical evidence. It's like training Pavlov's dog.

[Oziex1]

The Royal Thai Police is now in the process of coordination with the Turkish embassy for information of the status of several wanted suspects now living in Turkey."

What on earth is going on here? Earlier on they reported contact with the Turks on this the Turks said no contact had been made, they continue to report repeated contact with Turkish officials and then this report that suggests this is the first contact with the Turks.

They just say whatever comes into their tiny minds at any given time.

[NongKhaiKid]

The BIB are coordinating with the Turks for information on the status of some suspects and what exactly will they do with the information if it's forthcoming?

I don't know if there's an extradition treaty with Turkey and if there is will they actually seek to bring them here as LoS in the past hasn't been big on extraditing wanted fugitive ?

If no treaty will they bother seeking Interpol Red Notices in case any of the suspects travel to a country where an extradition treaty exists ?

It's unfortunately so easy to be skeptical as the BIB are so good at talking and often little else.

[Pimay1]

The BIB are coordinating with the Turks for information on the status of some suspects and what exactly will they do with the information if it's forthcoming?

I don't know if there's an extradition treaty with Turkey and if there is will they actually seek to bring them here as LoS in the past hasn't been big on extraditing wanted fugitive ?

If no treaty will they bother seeking Interpol Red Notices in case any of the suspects travel to a country where an extradition treaty exists ?

It's unfortunately so easy to be skeptical as the BIB are so good at talking and often little else.

Extradition Treaty Countries: Currently the following countries entered into extradition treaties with Thailand: Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Cambodia, Canada, China, Fiji, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Philippines, South Korea, United Kingdom, and United States.

http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=19333

[Gunna]

The BIB are coordinating with the Turks for information on the status of some suspects and what exactly will they do with the information if it's forthcoming?

I don't know if there's an extradition treaty with Turkey and if there is will they actually seek to bring them here as LoS in the past hasn't been big on extraditing wanted fugitive ?

If no treaty will they bother seeking Interpol Red Notices in case any of the suspects travel to a country where an extradition treaty exists ?

It's unfortunately so easy to be skeptical as the BIB are so good at talking and often little else.

Extradition Treaty Countries: Currently the following countries entered into extradition treaties with Thailand: Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Cambodia, Canada, China, Fiji, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Philippines, South Korea, United Kingdom, and United States.

http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=19333

I still wonder why when the RTP found out that Thaksin was going to the conference in Seoul back in May that they didn't contact Interpol to have him arrested on arrival and extradited to Thailand. But then of course he was once one of their fellow officers, so maybe that was why nothing was done.

[EnglishJohn]

The junta must have thought they might as well make some political capital out of this by sowing seeds in people's minds. If they equate "bombs" with "red shirts" often enough, people will believe it, despite the lack of any empirical evidence. It's like training Pavlov's dog.

If someone slapped you in the face 10 times then you closed your eyes and got slapped again, would you open them and wonder who did it ?.

Virtually all violence involving 'war-weapons' I have seen in 10 years (outside the South) has been by red-shirts. Did you miss the THIRTY protesters murdered in cold blood ?. Would you class a grenade as a bomb ?.

I even visited an apartment in Bangkok which had blown out when a red-shirt was trying to make a bomb inside.

Pavlov's dog was trained to have a programmed response when a specific situation arose without intelligent input. It seems it works on humans as well : when under any threat, deny and accuse others. I bet you were one of those who claimed the protesters were throwing grenades at themselves. Right up until the red-shirts got caught.

[Chang_paarp]

The RTP cannot identify "Aod" with any certainty. In spite of numerous press releases they do not know his name, place of birth if Thai or country of birth if foreign. As shown with photos above, the lady is sown from her Thai ID, but the man is just the same photo they have been spraying around the press hoping someone will give them something,

Unfortunately they seem to be coming up blank. Then they try to link him to the latest bombing.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I always enjoy reading the articles quoting the RTP as saying they're close to closing their investigation/case -- when most all of their identified-named suspects -- presuming you have any faith in the legitimacy of those allegations -- remain at large.

Where I come from, such cases are closed when the guilty have been arrested, tried in court, convicted and sent to prison. Until then, it's just more RTP hot air.

[Artisi]

The BIB are coordinating with the Turks for information on the status of some suspects and what exactly will they do with the information if it's forthcoming?

I don't know if there's an extradition treaty with Turkey and if there is will they actually seek to bring them here as LoS in the past hasn't been big on extraditing wanted fugitive ?

If no treaty will they bother seeking Interpol Red Notices in case any of the suspects travel to a country where an extradition treaty exists ?

It's unfortunately so easy to be skeptical as the BIB are so good at talking and often little else.

Taking "the plate around" exceeds talking.

[Thai at Heart]

Does anyone seriously believe that Uighur separatists have contact with the red shirts?

[oneday]

One way or the other this government is going to do their level best to link this bombing to the red shirts when, through their own investigations, it has clearly been shown there is a far stronger connection with the Uyghurs sent back to China.

Any person involved in this bombing and who happens to be associated with the red shirts in the past was probably just a gun for hire to anyone who could pay. This guy probably just happened to be the person they were told who could help. It doesn't mean he was helping for the red shirt cause, but 1000's of people on the opposite side of the reds would love to make that connection.

There is no way in the world this bombing helped the red shirt cause in anyway and no red shirt bombings have come anywhere near this type of deliberate and wanton destruction of innocent lives. It makes no sense except in the dream world of the Bangkok elite.

[theoldgit]

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[ianf]

I have made the connection between 2010 & 2014 many times on here in the various forums: only to be shoted down, ridiculed, insulted or spoken to in a most arrogant manner. Pleased to see that the RTP are now making this connection public. Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all?

[mikemac]

One way or the other this government is going to do their level best to link this bombing to the red shirts when, through their own investigations, it has clearly been shown there is a far stronger connection with the Uyghurs sent back to China.

Any person involved in this bombing and who happens to be associated with the red shirts in the past was probably just a gun for hire to anyone who could pay. This guy probably just happened to be the person they were told who could help. It doesn't mean he was helping for the red shirt cause, but 1000's of people on the opposite side of the reds would love to make that connection.

There is no way in the world this bombing helped the red shirt cause in anyway and no red shirt bombings have come anywhere near this type of deliberate and wanton destruction of innocent lives. It makes no sense except in the dream world of the Bangkok elite.

I don't have an opinion on who was responsible for the bombing at Erawan shrine, whether the reds were involved or not.

But I would be very surprised if any terrorist organization on the planet would lower their standards enough to be associated with the reds.

..............."and no red shirt bombings have come anywhere near this type of deliberate and wanton destruction of innocent lives"..................

Tell that to the family and friends of those innocent people, including children, who died in deliberate and wanton bombings.

Edited October 13, 2015 by mikemac

[mikemac]

I have made the connection between 2010 & 2014 many times on here in the various forums: only to be shoted down, ridiculed, insulted or spoken to in a most arrogant manner. Pleased to see that the RTP are now making this connection public. Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all?

Perhaps !

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

The BIB have a proven track record of being completely ineffective when it comes to arresting or even trying to catch any Redshirt terrorists or ring leaders. Will have to leave it to the militery to do the police work once again.

Fire all of the useless corrupt BIB and start over!!!

[Oziex1]

I have made the connection between 2010 & 2014 many times on here in the various forums: only to be shoted down, ridiculed, insulted or spoken to in a most arrogant manner. Pleased to see that the RTP are now making this connection public. Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all?

Ianf, with respect I say to you, your credibility is not going to be restored on this forum by believing the RTP have got it right.

[Thai at Heart]

I have made the connection between 2010 & 2014 many times on here in the various forums: only to be shoted down, ridiculed, insulted or spoken to in a most arrogant manner. Pleased to see that the RTP are now making this connection public. Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all?

This woman married to the Turkish guy is from the south right? And she is somehow connected to a red shirt.....how would a Uighur smuggling network get contact with the red shirts?

The reds are connected to the police, the Uighurs needed border police to facilitate the smuggling. So pray tell, the cops are going to facilitate an international bombing on thai soil.

This connection is so fanciful it is beyond. So far the police report they have a Thai man, with no ID card, no history no record as a bomb maker and somehow he would provide a bomb for them?

Its nuts

Edited October 13, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[halloween]

One way or the other this government is going to do their level best to link this bombing to the red shirts when, through their own investigations, it has clearly been shown there is a far stronger connection with the Uyghurs sent back to China.

Any person involved in this bombing and who happens to be associated with the red shirts in the past was probably just a gun for hire to anyone who could pay. This guy probably just happened to be the person they were told who could help. It doesn't mean he was helping for the red shirt cause, but 1000's of people on the opposite side of the reds would love to make that connection.

There is no way in the world this bombing helped the red shirt cause in anyway and no red shirt bombings have come anywhere near this type of deliberate and wanton destruction of innocent lives. It makes no sense except in the dream world of the Bangkok elite.

Red shirts bombs only kill one or two people at a time. So unthinkable that they would have anything to do with a bigger bomb.

Have I got that right? Maybe one of their mercenary bomb-makers was doing a bit of moonlighting while things are quiet.

Edited October 13, 2015 by halloween

[Thai at Heart]

One way or the other this government is going to do their level best to link this bombing to the red shirts when, through their own investigations, it has clearly been shown there is a far stronger connection with the Uyghurs sent back to China.

Any person involved in this bombing and who happens to be associated with the red shirts in the past was probably just a gun for hire to anyone who could pay. This guy probably just happened to be the person they were told who could help. It doesn't mean he was helping for the red shirt cause, but 1000's of people on the opposite side of the reds would love to make that connection.

There is no way in the world this bombing helped the red shirt cause in anyway and no red shirt bombings have come anywhere near this type of deliberate and wanton destruction of innocent lives. It makes no sense except in the dream world of the Bangkok elite.

Red shirts bombs only kill one or two people at a time. So unthinkable that they would have anything to do with a bigger bomb.

Have I got that right? Maybe one of their mercenary bomb-makers was doing a bit of moonlighting while things are quiet.

Well, it would appear that that is the accusation. A Thai group of bomb makers moonlighting to supply bombs to Uighurs..... Yeah right.

[waldroj]

More class reporting from the broadcaster we can trust!

Apparently, according to this report, the investigation is almost close to prosecution of the arrested suspects.

Without any conviction, the report tells us that one of the said suspects is the yellow-shirt man who planted the bomb, and the other suspect is the man who detonated the bomb. Seems hardly any need then to investigate further, just pass sentence now.

The headline for this report tells us there is a link between a former redshirt guard and the Muslim woman said to be a key suspect. Why is it necessary to try to establish this link when the RTP spokesman says “latest investigation had obtained evidence that was substantial to confirm two Thai bomb suspects … belonged to the same network”. If this seems confusing, too bad, he didn’t elaborate! But I suggest that belonging to the same network, and being linked are not the same thing.

As for the other 15 suspects, whether they belong to the same network, or if they are also linked, we are not told.

We are told though that several are now living in Turkey, and the RTP are now in the process of coordination with the Turkish embassy for information of their status, whatever that means?

[AleG]

One way or the other this government is going to do their level best to link this bombing to the red shirts when, through their own investigations, it has clearly been shown there is a far stronger connection with the Uyghurs sent back to China.

Any person involved in this bombing and who happens to be associated with the red shirts in the past was probably just a gun for hire to anyone who could pay. This guy probably just happened to be the person they were told who could help. It doesn't mean he was helping for the red shirt cause, but 1000's of people on the opposite side of the reds would love to make that connection.

There is no way in the world this bombing helped the red shirt cause in anyway and no red shirt bombings have come anywhere near this type of deliberate and wanton destruction of innocent lives. It makes no sense except in the dream world of the Bangkok elite.

Precisely, a hired gun is the most reasonable assumption at the moment.

It doesn't cast the Red Shirt in a particular good light to allegedly have used the same hired gun (bomb?) for their own ends in the past; but the idea the there was collusion at an organization level is too far fetched.

It would make sense for people planning a bombing to contact local experts, although IIRC two of the bombings this Aod is connected to were the bombs went off prematurely, killing the bombers (and innocent bystanders)... so expert may be too charitable.