British man found dead on Koh Tao

[Moonsterk]

Death shouldn't be who anyone meets on The Trip Of A Lifetime...

Who did he meet? I didnt find anything in the article that says he met someone or are you guessing what happened like so many others.

Just doing a review of the thread and thought I would share this beauty.

[Moonsterk]

Sadly with so little information I am not surprised some people are highly suspicious of a cover up, it seems this happened well over 12 hours ago... yet no one knows if he was found dead in his room, the sea, where I would have thought that some people would have heard some rumours by now other than a FB account of someone who may be the deceased.

Chances are this was an accident or self inflicted...

Most likely. However I wouldn't exclude the possibility that the lad was doing some sort of his own 'undercover' investigation. Asking too many questions can get you killed in some parts of the world. Anyway deceased young man shared the surname with more 'famous' victim David Miller. In any case another waste of life. We can blame it on Koh Tao death island, but there are plenty of our tour operators/travel agencies which keep advertising and selling packages for Koh Tao as some sort of paradise holiday for youngsters. At the end of the day, it's all about money. Neither Thais nor our governments care much about lost lives.

interesting idea .. what about the young woman who unexpectedly died in Koh Tao last year from a cold or something like that?

^ Note Luke was an undercover investigator !!!

I've found this Luke Miller death to be considered a murder by many as they're presuming this young woman, Christina Annesley and the French man Dimitri Povse were murders, too. Of course there was an offshoot Anonymous FB page video made which also made these allegations- a wildly popular page full of juicy conspiracies, a la 9 /11.

However-

The French man left a note, the detail of his hands tied behind his back seems to some to prove foul play, yet this is quite common in hanging suicides. It is fairly easy to tie your own hands, and is know as the " No going back option." Police found no other signs to point away from suicide and his family accepted the conclusion.

Annesley had a serious lung infection, was using strong painkillers while drinking which she posted about on social media and this determined to be how she died.

From Bkk Post. " In some of the many tweets she posted while on Koh Tao, Annesley had complained of a chest infection....... She also said she was taking Tramadol, a powerful painkiller, while drinking." ---

My thoughts are and I am just theorizing a possibility, is she also got prescribed outdated, fake, or even improperly stored antibiotics which contributed to a weakened state.

I've seen it a dozen times, hot pharmacies where even one day of storage would render some drugs inert. And of course the clinics that operate with little oversight will buy the cheapest drugs available, even if the origin and authenticity are questionable.

This is the kind of danger and lack of awareness people need to know about when visiting crappy little islands in developing nations.

[Moonsterk]

Smedly

I worded it correctly - you just didn't understand it

You are so wrong. if you worded it correctly then what you are stating is total mishmash in relation to the requirements of those involved in an investigation surrounding a person's demise. I fully understand everything you write and the selective approach you take by choosing a single sentence out of a 4 paragraph post on which to base your response. I have read your posts (yes, all of them) and find that when the going gets tough and legitimate questions are put to you, you duck for cover and come up with you typical nondescript one-liners.

I won't bother pursuing any responses to what I asked, it would be a waste of time, but I will reiterate that you clearly have no idea what an investigation into a person's death entails, the number of specialists that are involved and the protocols that need to be adhered to in order to ensure that the matter is dealt with, within the legal parameters, and in order for a coroner to come to a conclusion from the evidence gathered and presented. Yes, evidence Smedly, not the fictional rubbish that many tend to proffer on here.

Good summation of the total lack of knowledge and I've noticed that, too about the one line, inadequate dismissals.

It's as if this really really needs to have been a murder and lack of evidence and unreliable accounts and information be damned. Why would this be is my question.

Why put a grieving family through this?

I think some people desperately want tis to be a murder, to validate everything they've been saying about the island since the last murders.

Yes, certainly on this thread, but my post was more about the traveling companions, whom I find are well, a bit......er, (tactful..tactful) uh... unreliable, can I say? I've read some incredibly disturbing, vicious attacks made by both when their narrative is questioned. ( Incidentally, they are the two in a FB pic standing on a spindly railing with a long drop under them that was initially attributed to Luke's carelessness.)

At this point they may well realize they made a mistake, (if that's what it was, I have some doubts about their reasons,) but are simply incapable at this point of stepping back from it, after all it made international news.

I almost want to write a letter to Mrs Cotton, Luke's mother and tell her of my thoughts. She can either toss it in the garbage or perhaps find a little relief from it. Or maybe she already knows this was just an accident, in which case no harm done.

[balo]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

[Si Thea01]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Your so right Balo, but for many, common sense is not very common.

[Moonsterk]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Disagree, no one was there, and the companions are not privy to reading Luke's mind as to why he was fooling around, drunk, on a building next to a pool. In fact I say they know less than the rest of us because they have chosen to believe a narrative that is based on musings sprung out of the depths of hysteria.

The entire case they have built, and which the group are convinced of as talking points- I'm reading the Justice for Luke page and all the comments, are just pathetic presumptions based on absolutely nothing-ness backed with nice dose of hostile insult to ward off any dissent. " Luke wouldn't have done that....."

One poor chap had the audacity to ask what kind of actions, if any were planned to bring attention this alleged "Injustice" ( it is after all " Justice for Luke..") and he was completely set upon," small minded idiot" was one of the milder comments for daring to suggest the page had diluted into a memorial. Well of course it has, there is no missing justice and aside from AD giving it about 2 sentences in the last mention, which repeat the nothing talking points not one media outlet has given the theory any more than a cursory glance.

They're completely besotted with this murder notion- and I am now convinced beyond any doubt it is a flagrant appeal for approval and attention, possibly even... well I'll reserve that judgment, but I have no doubt of my convictions.

[seedy]

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[kcirtapyelrah]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

[Si Thea01]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

What evidence, other than speculation and innuendo, driven by hysterics, do you have to make such a rash statement? Maybe the terminology used fits those who believe, without knowing the fellow, having visited the site, being privy to the autopsy results or having any knowledge of what occurred prior to and at the time of his demise, that it was any more than death by misadventure. If you truly believe it was murder, then state your argument instead of just using the word which, by doing so, just adds to the rot being proffered about this incident.

[Moonsterk]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident and frankly, what it is doing is giving justification to an argument farangs in general are completely irrational, hysterical idiots who wish to believe worst case scenarios in all things Thai. ( and maybe that's true?)

It's crying wolf and in any future cases where there may actually be police malfeasance, it will be used to dismiss allegations- those goofy farang and their constant conspiracy theories..

[TheLobster]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident and frankly, what it is doing is giving justification to an argument farangs in general are completely irrational, hysterical idiots who wish to believe worst case scenarios in all things Thai. ( and maybe that's true?)

It's crying wolf and in any future cases where there may actually be police malfeasance, it will be used to dismiss allegations- those goofy farang and their constant conspiracy theories..

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

[Moonsterk]

^ Oh is it time for irrelevance? OK, let me try.

******NEWSFLASH******* AD has just presented previously un regurgitated and absolutely incontrovertible evidence this was a murder.

Security guards did not see a body at 5 am'ish and get this-

friends of well known island figure were actually WITNESSED taking pictures in the vicinity.... of the brutal slaying where 16 months ago there was a vicious double murder.....

(And just in case you didn't get it the first 43,827 times it has been mentioned in connection with this story, there was a vicious double murder 16 months ago of-get this- another UK man named Miller who also had four letters in his first name...although he wasn't as tall.)

What motive AD could possibly have for posting up this ....tripe as news. Whatever could it be ? Gosh, mmmmm

[cumgranosalum]

UK press - http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/News/14193861.What_killed_young_Brit_on_Thai_island_/

[jayjay78]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident and frankly, what it is doing is giving justification to an argument farangs in general are completely irrational, hysterical idiots who wish to believe worst case scenarios in all things Thai. ( and maybe that's true?)

It's crying wolf and in any future cases where there may actually be police malfeasance, it will be used to dismiss allegations- those goofy farang and their constant conspiracy theories..

"I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident"

Your a disgrace blurting out that nonsense. Open Verdict by the UK coroner, the autopsy from Thailand not even back in the UK yet but you've got it wrapped up as an accident with no knowledge of what went on.

The Luke Miller justice group now closed to public due to posts on it that echo you.

Have a little respect and stop all this speculation that it was an accident with no other possibilities or objective thoughts or are you really the one who is a complete fool?

[KunMatt]

UK press - http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/News/14193861.What_killed_young_Brit_on_Thai_island_/

That's from January 10th.

[Si Thea01]

What jlcrab means is that we can not be 100% sure about anything in this case, all of us try to use common sense but it will not solve anything , we are a victim to social media and news reports , only the people that were on KT that night and people close to the investigation knows the truth. The rest of us can only use our........common sense.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident and frankly, what it is doing is giving justification to an argument farangs in general are completely irrational, hysterical idiots who wish to believe worst case scenarios in all things Thai. ( and maybe that's true?)

It's crying wolf and in any future cases where there may actually be police malfeasance, it will be used to dismiss allegations- those goofy farang and their constant conspiracy theories..

"I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident"

Your a disgrace blurting out that nonsense. Open Verdict by the UK coroner, the autopsy from Thailand not even back in the UK yet but you've got it wrapped up as an accident with no knowledge of what went on.

The Luke Miller justice group now closed to public due to posts on it that echo you.

Have a little respect and stop all this speculation that it was an accident with no other possibilities or objective thoughts or are you really the one who is a complete fool?

Completely unnecessary to an intellectual discussion. How does it make for "a good debate" to start name-calling? An Open Verdict a legal decision that records a death but does not state its cause. Even if the UK coroner was in receipt of all documents from Thailand, he/she would be unable to come to a definite finding as the body as per Thailand law, had to be embalmed before transporting to the UK, then the coroner and if a jury was used, could not visit the crime scene, there is no person of interest or suspect, no witnesses, no evidence to acknowledge that a criminal act had ever occurred.

I wouldn't say that it was an accident nor would I intimate it was murder, but given what we know, which is very little, other than the allegations raised by the friends, I have no problem in the open verdict being handed down, as in no way does this suggest any type of criminality was involved in this young person's demise. I feel that death by misadventure would be apt but given what the limited information presented to the coroner, then the finding, I feel, is quite appropriate.

May I ask, do you have any knowledge of what occurred, if so, why not provide a credible argument rather then responding in the style that you have adopted on this occasion.? Also, what is your opinion as to how the young man met his demise?

[jayjay78]

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident and frankly, what it is doing is giving justification to an argument farangs in general are completely irrational, hysterical idiots who wish to believe worst case scenarios in all things Thai. ( and maybe that's true?)

It's crying wolf and in any future cases where there may actually be police malfeasance, it will be used to dismiss allegations- those goofy farang and their constant conspiracy theories..

"I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident"

Your a disgrace blurting out that nonsense. Open Verdict by the UK coroner, the autopsy from Thailand not even back in the UK yet but you've got it wrapped up as an accident with no knowledge of what went on.

The Luke Miller justice group now closed to public due to posts on it that echo you.

Have a little respect and stop all this speculation that it was an accident with no other possibilities or objective thoughts or are you really the one who is a complete fool?

Completely unnecessary to an intellectual discussion. How does it make for "a good debate" to start name-calling? An Open Verdict a legal decision that records a death but does not state its cause. Even if the UK coroner was in receipt of all documents from Thailand, he/she would be unable to come to a definite finding as the body as per Thailand law, had to be embalmed before transporting to the UK, then the coroner and if a jury was used, could not visit the crime scene, there is no person of interest or suspect, no witnesses, no evidence to acknowledge that a criminal act had ever occurred.

I wouldn't say that it was an accident nor would I intimate it was murder, but given what we know, which is very little, other than the allegations raised by the friends, I have no problem in the open verdict being handed down, as in no way does this suggest any type of criminality was involved in this young person's demise. I feel that death by misadventure would be apt but given what the limited information presented to the coroner, then the finding, I feel, is quite appropriate.

May I ask, do you have any knowledge of what occurred, if so, why not provide a credible argument rather then responding in the style that you have adopted on this occasion.? Also, what is your opinion as to how the young man met his demise?

I beg your pardon? I did not start any name calling, I quoted moonsterk who was calling anyone who did not believe this to be an accident a fool!

I'm fully aware of what an Open Verdict decision means and can encompass I'm also fully aware the the Thai Autopsy has not been received yet and the UK autopsy was restricted in its scope due to the embalming process.

I'm not here to entertain you with arguments and my opinion is reserved until I hear further facts I will not speculate, pretty simple really, I'll leave the speculative debates to you.

The family/friends deserve more respect and I'm disgusted by some of the posts on here. We even have posters from here arguing with the families on facebook, unbelievable, thankfully they've now closed their page to public and trolls.

[Moonsterk]

"I think only a complete fool, void of objective reasoning could believe this was anything but an accident"

Your a disgrace blurting out that nonsense. Open Verdict by the UK coroner, the autopsy from Thailand not even back in the UK yet but you've got it wrapped up as an accident with no knowledge of what went on.

The Luke Miller justice group now closed to public due to posts on it that echo you.

Have a little respect and stop all this speculation that it was an accident with no other possibilities or objective thoughts or are you really the one who is a complete fool?

Completely unnecessary to an intellectual discussion. How does it make for "a good debate" to start name-calling? An Open Verdict a legal decision that records a death but does not state its cause. Even if the UK coroner was in receipt of all documents from Thailand, he/she would be unable to come to a definite finding as the body as per Thailand law, had to be embalmed before transporting to the UK, then the coroner and if a jury was used, could not visit the crime scene, there is no person of interest or suspect, no witnesses, no evidence to acknowledge that a criminal act had ever occurred.

I wouldn't say that it was an accident nor would I intimate it was murder, but given what we know, which is very little, other than the allegations raised by the friends, I have no problem in the open verdict being handed down, as in no way does this suggest any type of criminality was involved in this young person's demise. I feel that death by misadventure would be apt but given what the limited information presented to the coroner, then the finding, I feel, is quite appropriate.

May I ask, do you have any knowledge of what occurred, if so, why not provide a credible argument rather then responding in the style that you have adopted on this occasion.? Also, what is your opinion as to how the young man met his demise?

I beg your pardon? I did not start any name calling, I quoted moonsterk who was calling anyone who did not believe this to be an accident a fool!

I'm fully aware of what an Open Verdict decision means and can encompass I'm also fully aware the the Thai Autopsy has not been received yet and the UK autopsy was restricted in its scope due to the embalming process.

I'm not here to entertain you with arguments and my opinion is reserved until I hear further facts I will not speculate, pretty simple really, I'll leave the speculative debates to you.

The family/friends deserve more respect and I'm disgusted by some of the posts on here. We even have posters from here arguing with the families on facebook, unbelievable, thankfully they've now closed their page to public and trolls.

Common sense tells me that hell will freeze over before the RTP would admit that Luke Miller was murdered if that is the case, in the light of recent passed events you would have to be a complete fool to believe anything else. With the David and Hannah case still in limbo, just the name Miller is enough to send them running for the hills.

My "fool" comment was in context with the post above. An argument based on feigned offense from a purposely misunderstood context has never swayed my opinion.

If you are trying to connect me with the Justice For Luke page, you are mistaken. I have never posted on it, and never read a post such as you say, as it would have been deleted and the poster banned immediately although as of a few days ago, it is a closed group.

Such a tribe of sycophants I have never seen before, most quite void of the most basic of logic and reasoning.

IMO It seems to have morphed completely into mass approval and stroking page to feed a specific ( still living) ego.

I did see one member, an elderly man who lived in Samui and would have been completely supportive to the the cause attacked viciously, kicked out for daring to ask why the page had turned into simply a memorial tribute, " "when was the "Justice..." part going to kick in."

As for evidence to Luke's death. The CoD has been stated quite clearly- drowning. There is a toxicoogy report still pending, police want to know what drugs he was still doing, if any. (They do look at FB pages and so will the UK inquest.)

If the body was embalmed " in such a way as to render further investigation moot..." ( A.D. web site) one wonders why the family did not insist a private autopsy be done in Thailand. There was enough money raised to have facilitated it, (and since I believe the body was cremated in UK, that too could have been done in Thailand, using repatriation funds for further investigations.) If I thought a loved one had been murdered, and it was being covered up, I sure as hell would have gotten my tail on over to Thailand to make sure of what's what.

Maybe the parents are not as convinced of the murder theories?

All the suppositions and assumptions by the LMWM group are based on the injuries incurred from the fall, which the companions have spun into this somewhat paranoid delusion, and now having embarked upon publicising it internationally, may well be too embarrassed to back away.

Also posts seen elsewhere of cadet police correspondence 4 days after the death, correspondence that for good reason should only go through the British Embassy, seemed to have been relied on; " Yes, we will investigate" as proof this was murder. Well yes they investigated, the death of a young male found in a pool, which is suspicious, initially of course, and yes they then found he likely fell off a vertical wall and knocked himself out, drowned- offering this as a scenario, before a post- mortem, which then bore the theory out.

Now this forum has rules about libel and unfavorable character assessments which is why I will not go further in my opinions of the companions but I personally would not trust their veracity, nor motives in continuing this charade as I've seen abusive posts made on other pages disturbing in tone and calls for violence against those who disagree. One visit to a FB page of an attacker advocating a sexual assault, reveals the owner calling himself a "womb buster". Not a crowd I would take as particularly dependable or responsible.

I note recent articles about the young British woman gone missing in Krabi, just found yesterday completely ignore this Luke Miller Was Murdered scenario, in sidelines of relevant articles.

No one with any objectivity believes it.

[Moonsterk]

JayJay78,

Please provide a link to any reputable media that contradicts this report ( Not tabloid bloggers looking at a potential snog.)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-35285866

Police Lt. Col. Napa Senatip, a police investigator on Koh Tao who handled the case, told the BBC that police were not looking further into the case because "the investigation showed no clues signalling that this was a murder", and the autopsy showed that the cause of death was drowning.

[webfact]

Funeral takes place for backpacker Luke Miller who died in Koh Tao



On Monday 22nd of February the funeral of Luke Miller, the backpacker who was found dead in a swimming pool in Koh Tao took place. Crowds gathered for the popular bricklayer’s funeral at Newport in the Isle of White. Before he died 26 year old Luke described his time in Thailand as ‘living the dream’, words that were printed onto his coffin. A convoy of vehicles joined Luke’s own car before the service at Newport Minster took place.

Luke Miller was found dead floating in a hotel swimming pool in Koh Tao on 8th January 2016. While his death has been put down to drowning the full autopsy results and toxicology are expected to take weeks to be made available. Many of Luke’s friends and his travel companions suspect foul play and believe the assumption that his death was caused by accident after he jumped off at DJ stand covered in barbed wire into a swimming pool is unlikely. There were no witnesses to his death, CCTV cameras of the area are said to have been faulty.

On a Facebook page, Justice for Luke, that has now been made private, hundreds of Luke’s friends have paid their respects to a man who was known for his zest for life. Luke’s travel companion and long term friend Nichola Gissing posted “You will NEVER be forgotten Angel, now you have our wings, fly high”. Another friend wrote “Well what a send off that was!! Everyone clapping and cheering as you left the church the way it should have been!! Hope you were watching all the love today you will be so missed my smiley friend!! Keep the sun shining always xxxx”

Luke Miller – 1/4/89 – 08/01/16

Published with permission from Nichola Gissing

-- Samui Times 2016-02-24

[Nicolas32]

This case seems some what the same as the Brit dies of alcohol poisoning in Thailand after 36-HOUR bender in which he drank four buckets of vodka and Red Bull and 20 lagers

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6887479/Brit-dies-of-alcohol-poisoning-in-Thailand-after-36-HOUR-bender-drinking-buckets-of-vodka-and-Red-Bull-and-20-lagers.html

plus their were reports of him doing magic mushrooms via his facebook page .. Anyway rest in peace

[Moonsterk]

JayJay78,

Please provide a link to any reputable media that contradicts this report ( Not tabloid bloggers looking at a potential snog.)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-35285866

Police Lt. Col. Napa Senatip, a police investigator on Koh Tao who handled the case, told the BBC that police were not looking further into the case because "the investigation showed no clues signalling that this was a murder", and the autopsy showed that the cause of death was drowning.

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So you can find no reputable, reliable media that is buying into the BS either, eh?

Sumui Times report on the funeral is simply making a statement the friends are continuing in their lark of fabrication. ( * Note family is not included in the sentence.)

Many of Luke’s friends and his travel companions suspect foul play and believe the assumption that his death was caused by accident after he jumped off at DJ stand covered in barbed wire into a swimming pool is unlikely.

Note how the assumptions continue as to what police offer as an explanation is to be taken as a definitive fact; he jumped... not fell....not stumbled off, not lost his hand hold, but "... jumped not likely..."

This is the very cracked and crumbling foundation of this fabrication that they have woven, the police scenario be taken as gospel, instead of just a possible explanation among many others.

These crappy little island publications manufactured as advertising vehicles are not really shining beacons for journalism.

That FB page is not mine, but where I've seen some of abusive posts made by the companions and the police cadet communications were posted up as " 100% proof of foul play" (IMO the lad wanted a bit of a flirt..)

At any rate wouldn't the communications at that point ( 4 days later) been coming through the UK Embassy, and to the family only, not "friends"?

[Moonsterk]

This case seems some what the same as the Brit dies of alcohol poisoning in Thailand after 36-HOUR bender in which he drank four buckets of vodka and Red Bull and 20 lagers

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6887479/Brit-dies-of-alcohol-poisoning-in-Thailand-after-36-HOUR-bender-drinking-buckets-of-vodka-and-Red-Bull-and-20-lagers.html

plus their were reports of him doing magic mushrooms via his facebook page .. Anyway rest in peace

I'm surprised more of these party-time visitors aren't dropping dead the mass amounts of alcohol consumed along with lord knows what else they are ingesting. I guess the young body can withstand a lot of abuse. It's when they start climbing around on heights they really tempt fate.

Was Luke cremated, does anyone know?

[jayjay78]

This case seems some what the same as the Brit dies of alcohol poisoning in Thailand after 36-HOUR bender in which he drank four buckets of vodka and Red Bull and 20 lagers

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6887479/Brit-dies-of-alcohol-poisoning-in-Thailand-after-36-HOUR-bender-drinking-buckets-of-vodka-and-Red-Bull-and-20-lagers.html

plus their were reports of him doing magic mushrooms via his facebook page .. Anyway rest in peace

I'm surprised more of these party-time visitors aren't dropping dead the mass amounts of alcohol consumed along with lord knows what else they are ingesting. I guess the young body can withstand a lot of abuse. It's when they start climbing around on heights they really tempt fate.

Was Luke cremated, does anyone know?

In your previous post you said this

I believe the body was cremated in UK

Now your asking people here if he was cremated.

What else in your previous posts are made up of your beliefs dressed as facts

[Moonsterk]

This case seems some what the same as the Brit dies of alcohol poisoning in Thailand after 36-HOUR bender in which he drank four buckets of vodka and Red Bull and 20 lagers

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6887479/Brit-dies-of-alcohol-poisoning-in-Thailand-after-36-HOUR-bender-drinking-buckets-of-vodka-and-Red-Bull-and-20-lagers.html

plus their were reports of him doing magic mushrooms via his facebook page .. Anyway rest in peace

I'm surprised more of these party-time visitors aren't dropping dead the mass amounts of alcohol consumed along with lord knows what else they are ingesting. I guess the young body can withstand a lot of abuse. It's when they start climbing around on heights they really tempt fate.

Was Luke cremated, does anyone know?

In your previous post you said this

I believe the body was cremated in UK

Now your asking people here if he was cremated.

What else in your previous posts are made up of your beliefs dressed as facts

Believe can be used denoting a belief, not a fact.

3. To expect or suppose; think: I believe they will arrive shortly.

And I also put it in italics believe.... as I wasn't sure, which is why I'm asking.

Do you know?

Just wondering if they spent all that money to have him repatriated, and then cremated him. Something not right about not having an independent autopsy while in Thailand- unless of course the family believe the police, which is what I'm beginning to believe is the case.

[roo860]

This case seems some what the same as the Brit dies of alcohol poisoning in Thailand after 36-HOUR bender in which he drank four buckets of vodka and Red Bull and 20 lagers

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6887479/Brit-dies-of-alcohol-poisoning-in-Thailand-after-36-HOUR-bender-drinking-buckets-of-vodka-and-Red-Bull-and-20-lagers.html

plus their were reports of him doing magic mushrooms via his facebook page .. Anyway rest in peace

I'm surprised more of these party-time visitors aren't dropping dead the mass amounts of alcohol consumed along with lord knows what else they are ingesting. I guess the young body can withstand a lot of abuse. It's when they start climbing around on heights they really tempt fate.

Was Luke cremated, does anyone know?

In your previous post you said this

I believe the body was cremated in UK

Now your asking people here if he was cremated.

What else in your previous posts are made up of your beliefs dressed as facts

You're clutching at straws mate, tragic accident, drug use by his own admission.

[steven100]

Every knows Koh Tao is a death island. Folks who want to risk all can travel there.

As everyone in Thailand is aware that mafia's are about.

RIP .. too young to go.

[Moonsterk]

Yes it's established he engaged in high risk behavior; engaging in routine binge drinking and took illegal drugs procured in developing nation, which he then posted about publicly on FB. He's also noted as have been drinking heavily the night of his death. Drunk people have accidents.

Yeah understood ... Also can't understand why his so called friends left him and bugger off .. even when i go out i leave no friends behind but that the sort of guy i am ? home or aboard as anything could happen and in this case something did happen?

Well he may have gone off on his own looking to hook up, or a dozen other reasons and this accident occurred very late, too. Not his friend's fault certainly. Although....would you feel guilty in these circumstances?

[Moonsterk]

This case seems some what the same as the Brit dies of alcohol poisoning in Thailand after 36-HOUR bender in which he drank four buckets of vodka and Red Bull and 20 lagers

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6887479/Brit-dies-of-alcohol-poisoning-in-Thailand-after-36-HOUR-bender-drinking-buckets-of-vodka-and-Red-Bull-and-20-lagers.html

plus their were reports of him doing magic mushrooms via his facebook page .. Anyway rest in peace

I'm surprised more of these party-time visitors aren't dropping dead the mass amounts of alcohol consumed along with lord knows what else they are ingesting. I guess the young body can withstand a lot of abuse. It's when they start climbing around on heights they really tempt fate.

Was Luke cremated, does anyone know?

In your previous post you said this

I believe the body was cremated in UK

Now your asking people here if he was cremated.

What else in your previous posts are made up of your beliefs dressed as facts

You're clutching at straws mate, tragic accident, drug use by his own admission.

Not even straw, pedantic wisps of dust.

[Nicolas32]

Yes it's established he engaged in high risk behavior; engaging in routine binge drinking and took illegal drugs procured in developing nation, which he then posted about publicly on FB. He's also noted as have been drinking heavily the night of his death. Drunk people have accidents.

Yeah understood ... Also can't understand why his so called friends left him and bugger off .. even when i go out i leave no friends behind but that the sort of guy i am ? home or aboard as anything could happen and in this case something did happen?

Well he may have gone off on his own looking to hook up, or a dozen other reasons and this accident occurred very late, too. Not his friend's fault certainly. Although....would you feel guilty in these circumstances?

What's done is done. we will most likely never know the truth like many other deaths in Thailand it has become the norm in these sort of situations may he rest in peace and his friends and family remember the good times they had with him..