its a New Year ! Best way to lower blood pressure without drugs

[overherebc]

1 minute ago, elgordo38 said:

As I walk to the hospital its always a do over with a pretty nurse and heck I don't mind. 

 

I don't know

But I've been told

Most of them nurses

Won't leave you cold.

[Don Mega]

Just now, overherebc said:

 

A 15 minute wait dropped mine from around 140/90 to 120/80. Not a fast recovery but a good difference.

 

Iam convinced it is done so the doctor can prescribe more pills.

 

My doc was clearly annoyed I did not take up his referral to a speech therapist, but then on completion of my visit declare ive made a 100% recovery**...... go figure.

 

** despite the fact I still  have a slight slur and no strength in my right leg or arm.

[KhunOr]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

 

A 15 minute wait dropped mine from around 140/90 to 120/80. Not a fast recovery but a good difference.

 

Your elevated state was within acceptable bounds and the fact that it dropped so quickly to normal also demonstrates that you have no problem.

 

However if your white coat syndrome (stress at a clinic) had caused a spike to an extreme (say 180/90) that would indicate that you had a problem. it is those extreme spikes that you must avoid and they are an important signal that you need to take action.

[Don Mega]

4 minutes ago, elgordo38 said:

As I walk to the hospital its always a do over with a pretty nurse and heck I don't mind. 

 

 

I spent a few days in ICU and my god those sponge baths with those gorgeous nurses will stay with me for ever.............. then I got moved to general ward and those guerilla's were rough.

[SaintLouisBlues]

24 minutes ago, KhunOr said:

When you are at St Peter's Gate having died of a stroke or cardiac arrest following an extreme BP spike, you can tell him he's wrong about it because if you had only waited an hour your BP would have been normal.

I hope to be carried off that quickly - preferably at the moment of climax

[elgordo38]

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

 

I don't know

But I've been told

Most of them nurses

Won't leave you cold.

At my age I view them as a fine painting. 

[geriatrickid]

7 hours ago, Bonobojt said:

 

 

DISGUSTING  BS. A chiropractor is not qualified to provide medical counsel. This man is not a cardiologist, not a nutritionist, not an internist. He is a fanciful snake oil salesman peddling  crap. 

If you are ignorant and afraid then just say so. It's ok. No need to promote bogus claptrap that can and will do harm.

 

High blood pressure is dangerous and does harm. It kills every day. It leaves people  with strokes and organ damage. Dismissing the condition as this idiot does, is insulting. 

 

You might as well post a video on human sacrifice for the amount of good it will do.

Why would you  believe that this man is anymore qualified than a  plumber or a whore to provide medical counsel? This  fellow has NO Medical training. NONE.  He is not a physician. He has no clinical experience in the care of patients with  heart disease. He is not allowed to provide medical counsel, and yet you promote him. Why? Are you trying to kill people?

[LannaGuy]

funnily enough 2 months ago mine was daily 130/80 which is fine for my age but drastically it's now 140/90 

 

not sure this is festivities related (gone up 5 kilo) or what and I also wonder if it's connected to salt. This time of year i eat more Lay type 'snacks' etc. If it's this high after i get that 5 kilo off then I will start worrying. Hope you fare well and get it down. Keep us in touch.

[impulse]

41 minutes ago, KhunOr said:

When you are at St Peter's Gate having died of a stroke or cardiac arrest following an extreme BP spike, you can tell him he's wrong about it because if you had only waited an hour your BP would have been normal.

 

I always get a kick out of the guys who smoke like chimneys, drink like fish and eat nothing but fat, greasy meat, sugar and salt.  Then they stop for a couple of days so they can have a good test at the doc's office.  

 

Annual test passed, it's right back to feeding the habits- as if they pulled one over on the grim reaper.

[Srikcir]

Take more naps.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/midday-nap-could-reduce-your-blood-pressure/

 

[lostinisaan]

 

           Do more sex. 

[Beats56]

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

 

DISGUSTING  BS. A chiropractor is not qualified to provide medical counsel. This man is not a cardiologist, not a nutritionist, not an internist. He is a fanciful snake oil salesman peddling  crap. 

If you are ignorant and afraid then just say so. It's ok. No need to promote bogus claptrap that can and will do harm.

 

High blood pressure is dangerous and does harm. It kills every day. It leaves people  with strokes and organ damage. Dismissing the condition as this idiot does, is insulting. 

 

You might as well post a video on human sacrifice for the amount of good it will do.

Why would you  believe that this man is anymore qualified than a  plumber or a whore to provide medical counsel? This  fellow has NO Medical training. NONE.  He is not a physician. He has no clinical experience in the care of patients with  heart disease. He is not allowed to provide medical counsel, and yet you promote him. Why? Are you trying to kill people?

Accully a chiropractor has more schooling than a doctor.

Mine back home helped me with a sore back and other adjustments. Better than taking meds.l

[siam2007]

drinking diet soda is pretty much the worse thing one could do.

I did the same years ago but luckily was able to change my behaviour and now only drink fruit juice (apple / grape / orange) mixed with water/soda, and the juice never makes up more than 20% of the Mix to keep calories at bay.

Haven't touched any Soda-POP for almost a year and no desire to do so

[Don Mega]

3 minutes ago, Beats56 said:

Accully a chiropractor has more schooling than a doctor.

Mine back home helped me with a sore back and other adjustments. Better than taking meds.l

 

 

Wen it comes to high blood pressure and stuff A doctor that can assist with back issues is not the doctor of choice no matter how much schooling they have had.

Edited January 2, 2017 by Don Mega

[Beats56]

4 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

 

 

Wen it comes to high blood pressure and stuff A doctor that can assist with back issues is not the doctor of choice no matter how much schooling they have had.

Ya but they don't fix the problem. ..only give you meds to mask the problem.

[bkkrooftop]

3 hours ago, calbear09 said:

I wouldn't come to thaivisa for advice on this..

If u have had hb for awhile you would know that its great to hear anyones own experience. The medical system has no idea or really cares about curing hypertension. Almost all drugs are catered to obesity, diabetes. Etc.  Its a very complex disease and they are not even close to getting the right drugs out there.  You can be healthy in every way but still have hypertension.  A lot of treatments out there that dont get any awareness, simply.bc it doesnt make $. 

[dick turpin]

You don't seem to be aware that the medical profession has raised

the blood pressure bar and that for over 60s a reading of 150/90

is the new accepted norm.

[Nurseynutcase]

3 hours ago, Zyxel said:

Your last check was 155/80 so you are in the red zone:

 

 

Sorry don''t know where you got this from.  It is inappropriate for the following;

 

How old is the original poster - any other concomitant diseases - past history etc all have to be taken into account.

 

A sphygmomanometer (BP machine), should be calibrated annually even if it is only used in the home.

A one-off reading is meaningless and needs to be repeated to ensure that it is just that - a one-off.

 

If you can lose weight and take into account other problems you may have you may find that it has no effect whatsoever.  Providing all blood results are normal you just have what we call éssential hypertension - i.e unknown cause.

 

Untreated hypertension can cause a multiplicity of problems so good luck

 

[tropo]

3 hours ago, calbear09 said:

I wouldn't come to thaivisa for advice on this..

What's wrong with having a friendly discussion about this with other expats? I doubt this is the OP's only source of information. There are many knowledgeable people on here dealing with the same problem, which just happens to be a major symptom of aging.

[lvr181]

4 hours ago, Kiwi1 said:

Assuming you taking reasonable care of weight, diet , exercise, then suggest Google 'Jaiogulan tea'.  Works for me.

 

And the peer reviewed evidence is..........?

 

Of course it works if you are taking reasonable care of weight, diet and exercise! I do those three things and eat a piece of chocolate every few days, therefore eating chocolate works? DUH!

[MalandLee]

You are going to get multiple answers, most given with good intentions and a few by the mentally challenged.

 

I too had high blood pressure.

 

This is what I did and how I fixed mine - PERSONAL Up to you if you research juicing, but if you do, I strongly recommend this DOCUMENTARY - it saved my life.

 

Several years later I am lighter, BP under 140/80 (The vast majority of the time) AND I take NO medication.

 

I do not care what others believe. It has worked for a lot of people.

 

Good Luck mate..

Mal

 

[geriatrickid]

1 hour ago, Beats56 said:

Accully a chiropractor has more schooling than a doctor.

Mine back home helped me with a sore back and other adjustments. Better than taking meds.l

 

Absolute rubbish. If your ignorance wasn't so shocking, it would be amusing.

Do you know what the typical education is for a basic GP? 3-4 years undergraduate, then 4-5 years medical school. Then 1 year internship and now in most western countries a  residency. A cardiologist typically has a 3 year residency and then a 3 year fellowship. On top of that, there will be ongoing training. A chiropractor can get his diploma after 3 -4 years of basic undergraduate  education. The fact that a chiropractor calls himself a doctor does not  provide any additional level of skills. Optometrists call themselves doctors of optometry but are hardly at the same skill set as someone with a doctorate in optical physics.Chiropractors are doctors in name only.

 

Now tell us how a chiropractor who has absolutely no formal training in cardiology or nutrition, and who  has not been licensed as a specialist is qualified to give advice as such?  

 

I am not interested in  whether or not your chiropractor back home helped you with your psychosomatic issues. This is about a charlatan dispensing  advice on a medical issue that should only be addressed by a cardiologist or an internist with guidance from nutritionists and  dieticians.  By all means you  should go see a chiropractor when you have heart disease. See one for cancer too.  Your option. Some people swear by enemas too. Follow through and you will  be dead soon enough.

 

 

[1FinickyOne]

48 minutes ago, dick turpin said:

You don't seem to be aware that the medical profession has raised

the blood pressure bar and that for over 60s a reading of 150/90

is the new accepted norm.

 

But are strokes and heart attacks also the new accepted norms? Or is it less likely the lower your BP and cholesterol levels are? 

 

I have just started with meds and had always been cavalier about it before, not wanting any... but now, I wonder, as stated above - my bp and cholesterol levels are now excellent but it is done with meds, which I don't fully like or trust either. 

[Don Mega]

1 hour ago, Beats56 said:

Ya but they don't fix the problem. ..only give you meds to mask the problem.

 

 

and how would a chiropractor assist with the issue besides massaging my feet ?

[Don Mega]

10 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

 

But are strokes and heart attacks also the new accepted norms? Or is it less likely the lower your BP and cholesterol levels are? 

 

I have just started with meds and had always been cavalier about it before, not wanting any... but now, I wonder, as stated above - my bp and cholesterol levels are now excellent but it is done with meds, which I don't fully like or trust either. 

 

A friend who  in good health (BP normal/cholesterol normal/ no diabetes within a healthy spec of the body mass index and has a stress free home and work life etc etc)  recently had a stroke on the 24/12,  he did not smoke or drink either .... doctors are a bit baffled as to why but it was a decent stroke that will have life long effects.

Edited January 2, 2017 by Don Mega

[Ace of Pop]

Some Hoons don't know the Difference between a Chiropractor and a Chiropodist .


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[xtrnuno41]

For measuring bloodpressure you should keep conditions in same way, at ease. Measure about 3 times a day in same condition, some weeks.

In this way you can built a database and find out if bloodpressure is high. Even dont think at all or talk about anything, as it can effect your blood pressure.

 

Just once measuring and some months later again doesnt give you a true image. Once you red 130 and another time 155, conditions?

Losing weight is always good, though it is hard, specially when older. But adjusting food (taking less is good, a way of life).

However what is in the food, as in Thailand they dont concern what they put on vegetables for insecticides.

It looks nice and healthy, but what is left over from the insecticides on the vegetables? 

You should grow it yourself then, and you find yourself in a new hobby 55555.

 

You dont smoke or drink and dont have salt, so is good. Omega 3 is said to be good for the vains to keep them smooth. It is found in FAT fish.

But you could buy perhaps capsules with omega3 in it, at farmacy.

High blood pressure can also be inherited by DNA, i was so lucky, so mother of father, family has high bloodpressure?

Then you need drugs. I took first hydrochloorthiazide, but that one can make you impotent and can give other weird sensations in your body.

But ok first try to get a database !

[MANFROMBOCA]

5 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

 

DISGUSTING  BS. A chiropractor is not qualified to provide medical counsel. This man is not a cardiologist, not a nutritionist, not an internist. He is a fanciful snake oil salesman peddling  crap. 

If you are ignorant and afraid then just say so. It's ok. No need to promote bogus claptrap that can and will do harm.

 

High blood pressure is dangerous and does harm. It kills every day. It leaves people  with strokes and organ damage. Dismissing the condition as this idiot does, is insulting. 

 

You might as well post a video on human sacrifice for the amount of good it will do.

Why would you  believe that this man is anymore qualified than a  plumber or a whore to provide medical counsel? This  fellow has NO Medical training. NONE.  He is not a physician. He has no clinical experience in the care of patients with  heart disease. He is not allowed to provide medical counsel, and yet you promote him. Why? Are you trying to kill people?

you have videos of human sacrifice ?? can you post them

[overherebc]

5 hours ago, elgordo38 said:

At my age I view them as a fine painting. 

 

So do I if I haven't forgotten my specs.

[elgordo38]

2 hours ago, Don Mega said:

doctors are a bit baffled as to why but it was a decent stroke that will have life long effects.

If your religious the lord moves in mysterious ways. There is so much in life that is unexplainable.