Thailand's road deaths - An elephant in the room?

[Kwasaki]

15 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Now the illiterates and those too lazy to read have left, I can summarize 

Basically it is my proposition that the high road death rate in Thailand is at least in part due to the unsatisfactory emergency services.

Now the illiterates !!    now that's  funny coming from you.  

Disagree with your part, least yes, it's not the main,  lack of initial training & road craft is.

[Airbagwill]

19 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Now the illiterates !!    now that's  funny coming from you.  

Disagree with your part, least yes, it's not the main,  lack of initial training & road craft is.

Why is it funny?

[Airbagwill]

 2 things to note...as said earlier Thailand has aporoxinately the same number of crashes  as UK.yet 10 times as many deaths.

Secondly if you take out the 80% of motorcycles the deaths per 100k is about the sane as the USA.

[Damrongsak]

1 minute ago, Airbagwill said:

...Secondly if you take out the 80% of motorcycles the deaths per 100k is about the sane as the USA.

 

We do need a lot more small motorcycles here in the USA. We are falling behind.

[giddyup]

24 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

 2 things to note...as said earlier Thailand has aporoxinately the same number of crashes  as UK.yet 10 times as many deaths.

Secondly if you take out the 80% of motorcycles the deaths per 100k is about the sane as the USA.

But you can't take out the motorcycle deaths, can you? They are real and here to stay.

[Airbagwill]

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

But you can't take out the motorcycle deaths, can you? They are real and here to stay.

Please explain

[Briggsy]

I understand the  elephant is the level of road deaths but whose room are you referring to, OP, Airbagwill?

[giddyup]

39 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

Please explain

Why are you removing motorcycles from the equation, to get a comparable statistic to the US?

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Why is it funny?

The illiterates you said after reading what they wrote. 

Why not compare road statistic of Thailand with the North Pole.

[Airbagwill]

On 2017-5-14 at 0:12 PM, Kwasaki said:

The illiterates you said after reading what they wrote. 

Why not compare road statistic of Thailand with the North Pole.

QED?

It appears you are writing nonsense 

Neither of your sentences makes any sense 

[Kwasaki]

19 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

QED?

It appears you are writing nonsense 

Neither of your sentences makes any sense 

You don't surprise me in the least.  

How about Elephants are a statistic in Thailand's road deaths.

[canthai55]

For all the Doom and Gloom posters ...

"If you take motorcycles out of the equation, Thailand's roads will be as safe as (those in) Switzerland, the United States and the United Kingdom"

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2017/05/15-daily-deaths-thailand-worlds-deadliest-country-motorcyclists/#zYkpt0oFwFG8r2oC.97

[giddyup]

11 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

For all the Doom and Gloom posters ...

"If you take motorcycles out of the equation, Thailand's roads will be as safe as (those in) Switzerland, the United States and the United Kingdom"

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2017/05/15-daily-deaths-thailand-worlds-deadliest-country-motorcyclists/#zYkpt0oFwFG8r2oC.97

But you can't take motorcycles out of the equation, can you?

[jeab1980]

5 minutes ago, giddyup said:

But you can't take motorcycles out of the equation, can you?

Why not it seems to be a normal ocurance on this forum to ammend the truth to fit does it not.

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, jeab1980 said:

Why not it seems to be a normal ocurance on this forum to ammend the truth to fit does it not.

if you take gravity out of the equation I could jump out of a plane without a parachute

[canthai55]

16 minutes ago, giddyup said:

But you can't take motorcycles out of the equation, can you?

This is the Motor Forum. Which will bring the true numbers into the discussion, not the 73% of deaths caused by people on motorcycles lumped in with auto and truck stats

Discuss Motorcycle fatalities in the Motorcycle Forum.

[giddyup]

8 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

This is the Motor Forum. Which will bring the true numbers into the discussion, not the 73% of deaths caused by people on motorcycles lumped in with auto and truck stats

Discuss Motorcycle fatalities in the Motorcycle Forum.

Road fatalities are road fatalities.

[Airbagwill]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

This is the Motor Forum. Which will bring the true numbers into the discussion, not the 73% of deaths caused by people on motorcycles lumped in with auto and truck stats

Discuss Motorcycle fatalities in the Motorcycle Forum.

This is a discussion about emergency services and the effect they have on survival after crashes....Your comment seems to be to display a lack of understanding of the tipic

[Airbagwill]

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

But you can't take motorcycles out of the equation, can you?

What equation is that?

 

We are talking about why people die in relation to the emergency services....as a significant part of the Thai death toll they have to be considered as part of the picture. To understand the whole picture it is useful to deconstruct the figures and of course account for the vulnerability of motorcyclists and if he groups of road users.

This is not about driving cars as some clearly think...it us about what happens via emergency services.

[Airbagwill]

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

But you can't take motorcycles out of the equation, can you?

 

 

Taking into account the increased vulnerability  of motorcyclists and the MASSIVE preponderance of motorcycles on Thai roads compared to other countries it helps to put this particular set of stats in some form of perspective .  Remember they are not the only way of looking at road safety in a country, partly because they don't take into account traffic density or number and type of vehicles per population.

Thailand and UK have similar populations and similar numbers of registered vehicles but 2 thirds of those is Thailand are motorcycles...in UK I recall it is 5%.

You could also look at length of roads available, km per vehicle, km driven per driver etc etc.

The thing is this isn't just about driving it is about total road environment, the users vehicular or otherwise  I  e  road safety and how the emergency services are possibly letting 1000s of people due unnecessarily  

 

[giddyup]

51 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

What equation is that?

E = mc²

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

E = mc²

QED

 

Or are you trying to equate kinetic energy from the vehicle's mass and speed with the rate of fatalities?

[jeab1980]

5 hours ago, giddyup said:

if you take gravity out of the equation I could jump out of a plane without a parachute

By all means try it

[JaseTheBass]

For all the Doom and Gloom posters ...
"If you take motorcycles out of the equation, Thailand's roads will be as safe as (those in) Switzerland, the United States and the United Kingdom"
https://asiancorrespondent.com/2017/05/15-daily-deaths-thailand-worlds-deadliest-country-motorcyclists/#zYkpt0oFwFG8r2oC.97

How can that be when UK & Swiss roads are safer than those in the US?

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

[JaseTheBass]

What equation is that?
 
We are talking about why people die in relation to the emergency services....as a significant part of the Thai death toll they have to be considered as part of the picture. To understand the whole picture it is useful to deconstruct the figures and of course account for the vulnerability of motorcyclists and if he groups of road users.
This is not about driving cars as some clearly think...it us about what happens via emergency services.

Even though road deaths are only counted when the person dies at the scene, not later at the hospital?

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

[Airbagwill]

30 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

Even though road deaths are only counted when the person dies at the scene, not later at the hospital?

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer
 

 

This is a common myth perpetuated on Thaivisa...it isn't how road deaths are calculated  by WHO and other R/S orgs in order to give internationally comparable figures.

Furthermore, if you think about it, if the emergency services fail to arrive in time or not at all, you will also get an increase in those who die at the scene.

[Moonlover]

Let us couple two observations together. The first being the OP's comments about the inadequate emergency services. I think we are all aware that these are well below par compared with the westernized countries.

 

The other observation being that by far the majority of fatal accidents are motorcycle related. Around 80% according to government released figures. The government also makes the observation that most of these accidents occur in the rural areas.

 

Let's throw in a third factor. I would very much doubt whether any of the poorly educated rural dwellers, where many of these accidents occur, would have a clue regarding emergency first aid. How to stem bleeding, immobilize a fracture or give CPR for instance. And how quickly would they be able to summons those inadequate emergency services? Would they even know how to?

 

The emergency services in the developed world talk about the 'golden hour'. It is that first vital hour following an accident that is crucial if a life is to be saved. I doubt whether many accident victims in such circumstances, here in Thailand would benefit from such attention.

 

Put all these factors together and it is easy to understand why Thailand has such an appallingly high death rate on the roads.

 

 

[brling]

8 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

How can that be when UK & Swiss roads are safer than those in the US?

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer
 

 

Indeed, total deaths / year = 26,000, but only 5,500 (15/ day) are motorbikes.