Prayut tells nurses to stop protesting over poor pay and working conditions

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, dcnx said:

A rural hospital is where a very well educated doctor told my (ex) brother-in-law to start smoking to help with his asthma.

 

Another doctor at the same rural hospital told my (ex) mother-in-law to prepare to die and to get her affairs in order. She had less than 12 months to live with stage 4 liver cancer. Not only is she still alive 8 years later but she didn't have cancer to begin with. RAM in Chiang Mai figured out she only had an infection.

 

 

Not quite sure what your comment has to with the post regarding nurses?

Maybe I missed something

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

 

Not sure about these protesting nurses, but when I go to Bumroongrad

and other big hospital I see like 7-10 nurses staffing one doctor's

position and while 2-3 are working, the rest are just loafing about.....

That's why the place is so expensive.

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, DM07 said:

In a civilized country, you have to pay your
teachers
doctors and nurses
fire- and policemen
soldiers
well!
Not your generals!


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"Not your generals". What about the Major Generals? Yes. it is a rank in the Thai police.

[kiwikeith]

6 hours ago, jaiyen said:

Nurses are essential in every country, every city and town.  They have always been over worked and under paid, because they care about people. Not like the government who tells them to stop complaining and carry on being poor with no benefits.  But its different for the PM and his mates. He goes to a nice private hospital at the tax payers expense.

 

Yes world wide nurses are underpaid and overworked , they do a good job, doing most of the Dr's work and should be paid properly.

[Bastos60]

I was in the hospital last October as an outpatient, and when I saw my bill I was supprised to see that base rate for nurse services was only 80 baht/hour For the doctor who examined the xray was 800 baht/hour. I never saw the doctor, only saw the nurse for intake, cleaning the wound and bandages.

[TKDfella]

My first wife was a nurse, my eldest daughter a (managerial) nurse and my Thai (ex) wife is a Head nurse. They earn every 'penny' and deserve more.

[pentap]

An essential profession. All nurses do a great job taking into consideration the many demands placed upon them.

No real social life. Dealing with the public! Etc...

If it be true what the nurses are making light of, I agree with their action, as I would agree with any nurse, in any part of the world.

That claimed unemployment figure must be going up now?


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[Jonmarleesco]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

He also urged the nurses not to protest and make the issue political.

He hasn't worked out that his interjection has made it political?

[bbbbooboo]

hmmm... well obviously nurses will stop complaining now and carry on working for a pittance(because the general said so). End of problem of course... this is better than a comedy

[losworld]

they are paid very poorly here... nurses need to upgrade their english then get their programs accepted internationally (which you can bet the govt does not want to do) then go overseas like many in ph.  many good nurses in thailand going to university then having to work for 8 or 10k per month.

[robblok]

You right. It was in 2012. Government procrastinated and now this surface again. As Robblok said, it down to budget constraint. I think more as it will set off a chain reaction of demand for higher wages from other ministries and even will bring out the workers demanding a revision of the minimum daily wage. Nothing changes as the ordinary working class people will get a raw deal and the military gets their toys. 
 
 

Yes if someone gets more money then they all want it. Result high inflation and nobody wins. But i do think nurses should get more as long as it does not snowball like you remarked.

I am more against the fact that the army budget rose in a percentage wile other budgets did not.

[djayz]

5 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Then...

 

Oh dear... it appears to be infectious.

 

I hear ezzra may be going out soon. Give him a shout, he may want some company at his private hospital.

There are also too many nurses employed in public hospitals in my honest opinion. 

Fortunately, I don't have to look at them sitting around too often as I'm very, very seldom in need of medical assistance. 

I strongly believe that BETTER TRAINING and MOTIVATION leads to LESS, BUT MORE COMPETENT STAFF - not only in hospitals, but also in stores and businesses. Just walk into ANY supermarket, hardware store, etc. and count how many useless employess are sitting/standing around doing absolutely nothing except mucking around on their phones or looking in a mirror. Expenses all bourne by the employer, or in hospitals, the tax payer and to a lesser extent the patients. 

Private or public, they have enough staff. Yes, the nurses swing into action when needed, no doubt about that, but for the rest of the time they doing sweet frig all. 

 

 

[sambum]

7 hours ago, darksidedog said:

It's very easy for a fat cat with plenty to tell people not to moan. Let Prayut try to live on a nurses salary for a month and see if he appreciates their hardship then.

When I complained about my 2.5% salary increase to my boss compared to his 7% he said "Money's not everything you know!". He's earning at least 3 times my salary, his wife's a full time college tutor, and my salary had to look after 2 adults and a young baby (OK if you can't afford 'em, don't have 'em!) I said "It is when you haven't got any!" Kinda stumped him, because he didn't answer that! 

[losworld]

so subs or nurses?  what is the govt priority?  oh gee no kickback from nurse salary increase.  case closed. 

[Deez]

How dare they? Maybe they need an attitude adjustment

[bitcoinforever]

i think they should go on strike, they have money for three submarine and 60 tanks but cry poverty when it comes time to pay nurses a proper wage shame shame shame

[PremiumLane]

1 hour ago, djayz said:

There are also too many nurses employed in public hospitals in my honest opinion. 

Fortunately, I don't have to look at them sitting around too often as I'm very, very seldom in need of medical assistance. 

I strongly believe that BETTER TRAINING and MOTIVATION leads to LESS, BUT MORE COMPETENT STAFF - not only in hospitals, but also in stores and businesses. Just walk into ANY supermarket, hardware store, etc. and count how many useless employess are sitting/standing around doing absolutely nothing except mucking around on their phones or looking in a mirror. Expenses all bourne by the employer, or in hospitals, the tax payer and to a lesser extent the patients. 

Private or public, they have enough staff. Yes, the nurses swing into action when needed, no doubt about that, but for the rest of the time they doing sweet frig all. 

 

 

hospitals are not fing supermarkets or even hardware stores.... there is a reason for having a lot of nurses, but I guess they need you to come and tell them how to run it properly 

[Sydebolle]

Have a look into the lobby or reception of any private hospital and you see huge flocks of nursed in tailor-made uniforms standing and chitchatting around at most likely higher salaries than the public health service. 
But yeah, the nurses should shut up and be proud of a nation with a real navy and the upcoming arrival of three subs - or move to private hospitals which are out of reach for the average Somchai.

As seriously sad state of affairs in the 21st century ........ 

[Tony125]

12 hours ago, helloagain said:

So how much do the nurses earn ? 

It was stated in earlier article temp nurses about 13,000 baht a month and no civil service perks/care reg nurses about 15,000 with civil service perks.

[Tony125]

12 hours ago, TomAikins said:

Wouldn't it make sense to include a pertinent fact such as what the nurses actually receive for a salary in an article like this? A journalist would include a fact like this but since it's the Nation (and it could just as easily be the Post) you can forget about it. The level of news writing and copy editing at both papers is atrociously bad rendering them, in my opinion, unreadable. They're not as bad as the awful translations that ThaiVisa publishes as news articles that come from Thai news sources. And this, of course, begs the question, are there any journalists at ThaiVisa? I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. 

It was stated in earlier article temp nurses about 13,000 baht a month and no civil service perks/care reg nurses about 15,000 with civil service perks.

[Grumpy Duck]

I remember in the USA nurses organized, joined unions and were promptly replaced with Philippine and Chinese nurses as well as students. Patient care suffered greatly, wrong prescriptions were dispensed, and often nurses did not speak enough English to understand patients. 

I have been treated at Ladphrao General Hospital as well as paulo chock chai. I never saw 2 or more nurses to a physician. Was treated well each time 

I would support the nurses on a strike. 

[djayz]

6 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

hospitals are not fing supermarkets or even hardware stores.... there is a reason for having a lot of nurses, but I guess they need you to come and tell them how to run it properly 

Well somebody needs to tell them - hospitals should be run like any other enterprise; effeciently. If you can't grasp that relatively simple concept then you're obviously not the right man for the job. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by djayz

[SunsetT]

18 hours ago, ezzra said:

 

Not sure about these protesting nurses, but when I go to Bumroongrad

and other big hospital I see like 7-10 nurses staffing one doctor's

position and while 2-3 are working, the rest are just loafing about.....

The other 7 are bouncers who jump in if you question the bill or the prescription goodie bag after being 'escorted' to the cashier to pay for your treatment.......

[wakeupplease]

In the real world nurses should tell Prayut to join them and find out what a real days work is like, but I guess he would only last 30 mins then have to run to avoid another crisis his brain or lump of muscle has dreamed up.

 

You can never have too many doctors and nurses. Bib and greens cannot hold a candle to the Nursing staff.

[lamyai3]

Assuming those nurses were paid 15000 per month, the 36 billion submarine money would have paid all 11000 of the proposed new nurses (who got jettisoned last week) for the next twenty years.

 

Forgive me if I've got the maths wrong, the calculator on the phone has trouble with so many 000s...

[Happyman58]

Ok Guys 15,000 sounds about right That means they work for roughly 4200 baht per week 12 hour shifts The wifes girls in her shop get more than that and fed  SSh i better not say to much or the nurses will all resign and try work for wife No its bloody awful pay considering these girls all have to study. ITs bloody sad really when the PMs brother gets paid 100,000 baht to attend meetings and dont even show It really is a 3 rd world country where you have the master and you have the serfs Bit like England in the 14th centuary except England did not buy subs in the 14 th centuary 

[TechnikaIII]

On 2017-5-16 at 7:15 AM, jaiyen said:

Nurses are essential in every country, every city and town.  They have always been over worked and under paid, because they care about people. Not like the government who tells them to stop complaining and carry on being poor with no benefits.  But its different for the PM and his mates. He goes to a nice private hospital at the tax payers expense.

The military general has long passed his 'use by date' in the top job.

Elections long overdue, but of course he has too many dealings going on. He will not be removed peacefully.

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, TechnikaIII said:

The military general has long passed his 'use by date' in the top job.

Elections long overdue, but of course he has too many dealings going on. He will not be removed peacefully.

of course he will go peacefully, why not? he will still be in power no matter who is elected, the guns are still loaded, the tanks still have petrol and he can stand behind the new PM's chair and whisper in his ear.

[Pib]

Bangkok Post is reporting today the govt has caved and agreed to convert 11,000 temporary nurse positions to permanent civil service position over the next 3 years.  

 

Sounds all to much like last time around 5 years ago when the govt made a promise to convert X-amount of contract nurse positions to permanent civil service positions but then did not follow thru after the nurses and media thought the issue was now resolved.  Time will tell.

 

 

[Scott]

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