webfact Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Chinese rail workers ‘will be certified’ By PRATCH RUJIVANAROM THE NATION Thai professional councils seek to regulate foreign labour in high-speed project BANGKOK: -- TWO LEADING professional councils have said Chinese engineers and architects involved in the Bangkok to Nakhon Ratchasima high-speed train project will have to be tested and certified by Thai councils. The Engineers Council and Architects Council said at a press conference in Bangkok yesterday that they would also set up measures to facilitate the transfer of Chinese technological know-how from the project. The two councils added that the order of the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to expedite the project did not mean that Chinese engineers and architects could immediately start work on the project. The order specifies that foreign experts must pass tests administered by both professional councils. The press conference came after a meeting between the professional councils and the Cabinet on Tuesday to clarify concerns over the NCPO order. Many people have expressed worries that it could allow Chinese engineers and architects who did not understand Thai laws and culture to work on the project. Engineers Council president Kamol Takabut said that despite the NCPO order exempting Chinese engineers and architects from acquiring a licence from the professional councils, the order still opened the way for training and testing by the professional councils before they started work. “The Engineers Council and Architects Council still maintain our stance that the Chinese engineers and architects should follow our Engineer Act and Architect Act and apply for licences before working in Thailand,” Kamol said. “However, we understand that our councils have to follow the NCPO order and thus we are working on a proper training programme and tests for the Chinese experts to prepare them for the different working atmosphere in Thailand and keep the standards of this project high.” Engineers Council secretary-general Amorn Pimanmas said the NCPO order did not waive Article 8 of the Engineer Act, which empowers the Engineers Council to certify the knowledge and skills of engineers who work in Thailand. The council could use the law to force Chinese engineers to sit for tests, he said. “This can be an assurance that the Chinese engineers working on this project will at least have a standard understanding about working in Thai work culture,” Amorn said. He also said that if Chinese engineers or architects made a mistake that caused damage, they would be punished under Thai laws, as the NCPO order did not exempt them from the law. Air Vice Marshal Prakitti Kasemsan, an Architects Council committee member, said the training would involve work culture, as the Chinese professionals would have to understand the background of Thailand’s geography, culture and ethical codes, and they would be tested before they receive certification. On the issue of technology transfer, Amorn said the Cabinet had agreed with both professional councils that there should be systematic measures to encourage the acquisition of high-speed train technology. He said both councils would set up committees to oversee technology transfer with involved professional associations and academic institutes. “We are negotiating with China to let Thai engineers and architects work alongside their Chinese counterparts on the project. China has already agreed to this proposal, but the numbers of Thai engineers and architects is still being discussed,” Amorn said. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30318745 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-06-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 " Chinese professionals would have to understand the background of Thailand’s geography, culture and ethical codes, and they would be tested before they receive certification". There are ethical codes in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Well that's how we got the railway built in Canada. We brought in the Chinese. Of course half of them died from scurvy or in blasting accidents, but we got a railroad sea to sea. And after that they setup Chinese food restaurants all over the prairies, so it was a win for culture and the economy. Not such a win for the Chinese though. I think they will do better this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thechook Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 So they must be at thai level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobredin Ghusputin Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, webfact said: will have to be tested Don't forget to test for TB, syphillis and elephantiasis. Those 100 baht clinics also need their share of this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 If the locals knew anything about high speed trains they would not need the Chinese would they? except the money to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 The councils will set the tests?I think the Chinese know a little bit more about railways than any Thai engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest1 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, canuckamuck said: Well that's how we got the railway built in Canada. We brought in the Chinese. Of course half of them died from scurvy or in blasting accidents, but we got a railroad sea to sea. And after that they setup Chinese food restaurants all over the prairies, so it was a win for culture and the economy. Not such a win for the Chinese though. I think they will do better this time around. Well this is not 1870 any more.... We have a lot more high-tech picks,,crowbars,and shovels... The Chinese will do just fine building Thailand's high speed rail ..... If the Chinese are careful when they blast with black powder it should keep the death rate to a acceptable level... And to keep moral up I am sure the Thais will keep the beatings to a minimum.. Edited June 22, 2017 by fforest1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 How about the "rail workers" who actually build the train line? Will they be certified to an acceptable level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlyai Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 How about the "rail workers" who actually build the train line? Will they be certified to an acceptable level?Yes, the same level as the telephone overhead cable installers.Sent from my SM-J700F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, webfact said: He also said that if Chinese engineers or architects made a mistake that caused damage, they would be punished under Thai laws, as the NCPO order did not exempt them from the law. Remind me again who decides what the law is and how it is applied these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Chinese engineers will not need to pass any local testing regime.... "He also said that if Chinese engineers or architects made a mistake that caused damage, they would be punished under Thai laws,"......the same as Thais when a serious blunder happens..I've never heard of a Thai professional being dragged to court and gaoled....but maybe. "China has already agreed to"......the Chinese will agree to anything.....unfortunately, they'll just do whatever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 So say a Third country to another Third country. A very matching marriage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, webfact said: “We are negotiating with China to let Thai engineers and architects work alongside their Chinese counterparts on the project. China has already agreed to this proposal, but the numbers of Thai engineers and architects is still being discussed,” Amorn said. Not a small detail. Should have been discussed at the very beginning. Some general is in a big hurry for something so glaring to be overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 They forgot to mention there will be a substantial fee required for the processing of this certification to be paid cash in Thai currency. Cha ching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) Presumably the two councils which will certify the people are Thai. From what goes on every day these do not appear to do much to verify the people. The Chinese will be punished under the laws if they make a mistake yet we dont hear of any Thai's being punished for thhings like cranes falling. Where is the consistency? Edited June 22, 2017 by gandalf12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 "...they will be certified." Sounds like they're becoming Thai Government Ministers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 maybe the Japanese can be hired to oversee the railroad building labor force. they have experience with that already in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, gandalf12 said: Presumably the two councils which will certify the people are Thai. From what goes on every day these do not appear to do much to verify the people. The Chinese will be punished under the laws if they make a mistake yet we dont hear of any Thai's being punished for thhings like cranes falling. Where is the consistency? ".....yet we dont (sic) hear of any Thai's being punished for thhings (sic) like cranes falling. Where is the consistency?" That part is consistent. All jokes aside, I understand what you are saying. (My italics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp, accept fee, voila, you're Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little mary sunshine Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Certified...2 arms, 2 legs, in most cases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, wakeupplease said: If the locals knew anything about high speed trains they would not need the Chinese would they? except the money to pay for it. The knowledge about building a high speed line is freely available. There are companies and engineers with this knowledge in Thailand. Building the rolling stock is quite another matter. He knowledge about that was freely available to the Chinese copycats. Thousands of jobs will be unavailable for Thai people, because the Chinese will take them. It is all long term thinking aimed at keeping control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 '... keep the standards of this project high.”' That would be a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, little mary sunshine said: Certified...2 arms, 2 legs, in most cases! Where I come from, if you are certified, men in white coats drag you off to a mental hospital...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Thais testing and certifying Chinese railway engineers? Just made not only my day or week but it made my month - thank you from the bottom of my heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocker33 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 What do they have to do? Tie one hand behind their back and close an eye to pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sydebolle said: Thais testing and certifying Chinese railway engineers? Just made not only my day or week but it made my month - thank you from the bottom of my heart! Yes, tests! Because the Thais read from left to right, while the Chinese read from right to left... Inclined lines on paper can be confusing. Is it sloping up or down? Edited June 22, 2017 by trogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 8 hours ago, webfact said: the NCPO order did not waive Article 8 of the Engineer Act, which empowers the Engineers Council to certify the knowledge and skills of engineers who work in Thailand. 8 hours ago, webfact said: Chinese professionals would have to understand the background of Thailand’s geography, culture and ethical codes, and they would be tested before they receive certification. I'd think it critical that a professional engineer should be knowledgeable in the laws of mechanics, math and science as it applies to their specific engineering profession. A certification should assure competence in those subjects. i expect the involved Chinese are engineer professionals and already have a history of work experience and education to prove their professional competence. Nothing more is need. The design and assembly or construction of an electronic control system, a bridge, station, tunnel bore, etc. is not dependent on one's knowledge of ethics, religion, culture, etc. Geography is only relevant to geoscience. But it seems that Thailand Engineers Council and Architects Council will otherwise deny an engineering certification to a Chinese engineer because he lacks adequate understanding of Thai culture and ethics: "You do not understand Buddhism, defamation laws, etc. You FAIL." "You do not know what colors are in the Thai flag. You FAIL." "You don't know where and when to wai. You FAIL." Is the junta looking to build a high speed rail system or converting Chinese to Thai citizenship? The junta needs to intercede to dismiss Engineers Council and Architects Council's citizen tests for certification purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Thechook said: So they must be at thai level. Considering how low the bar is, I doubt they will have any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I just found the test online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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