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On 7/3/2017 at 11:05 PM, Luckysilk said:

What is happening to this country ? It's gets worse by the day.

 

Shocking News !

Mate it's been lime that now for a long time.

But there is someone that will always tell you this could happen anywhere in the world... yeah right. My advice is keep away from that place.

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21 hours ago, rogeroc said:

Between my Post and your reply above  there is Post 169 which i presume you should have read. If not please read it before trying to defend yourself and yet again make totally inaccurate / misleading  comments about the level of crme in London in comparison to what s happening on the islands. As another Poster also commented in London if there is a crime against a tourist you know that the Met or City of London Police will investigate it in the same way as other crime and without predujice.

 

Likewise to assume that the only tourists that are being murdered have effectively asked for it by bad behaviour or not being cautious enough is yet another foolish assumption.

 

Why are you trying to defend the indefensible ? Like you i have not been personally threatened or attacked in either Thailand or the UK but statistically Thailand is a dangerous place for violent crime

You are right that the police in the UK would quickly find the criminals responsible for murder (not for breaking and entry,all you get from the police is a crime number for the insurance,they often can't even be bothered to come to your house) but i'm not sure if the victim gets much satisfaction from that. I don't know about statistics, i go on my personal feelings where i would feel safe and it wouldn't be London. 

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I think Phuket og Phang Na and the rest off Thailand are finish, here you can se from News in Norway today and this it`s NOT good reading fore Thailand.Sad but when you have incompetence Policer some only take wrong people. 

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On 7/5/2017 at 8:20 AM, Mark Alexander Smith said:

It is Worth considering this one also, when thinking about the other Case / Cases on Ko Tow I think ... Same Same ? ... But Different ??? ...

 

Like did they REALY have to kill her to Rob her ??? … 

 

  Yes Thailand Sure is becoming more Dangerous I think, ... In the Tourist areas at least !!! … I live just off the Asia Highway, about 10 K north of Ayutthaya, and we do not EVER see anything like this really. (And well the driving is a Lot easier here also I think)  ...

 

… So Why are things starting to Spin so out of control in the Tourist Areas ??? …  Increasing Numbers ??? … Increasing  Numbers, with no real connection to the country ??? .... No, ...ALCOHOL !!! ... (And I am a semi Recovered Alcoholic myself, so it is a case of the admitted, Black pot, calling the Kettle black !!! ) ... or would it be drugs ??? .... No Alcohol !!! I think. … Which is a scourge everywhere just about, in the world now ..Like Violence at Night around Night Spots ...

 

Adelaide, where I come from Melbourni !!! Sydney !!! ..and do not even mention other Places Like The OK, or Glasgow !!! Right !!!

 

…. Alcohol !!! … Where they are Increasing the supply, extending the hours, Increasing the Incentive to drink, .. to enrich a very Few !!! … and Really Bugger up !!! a very Lot as far as I can see.     My Good, but well, Obviously unhappy Lawyer Just dropped dead d/t Alcohol God Dam !!! And he is just One, of MANY as we all know.

 

… But, Never Mind, … Still Dodging the Bullet well enough myself, and Not planning on going to any Thai Tourist spots, outside BKK any time soon …

 

And  On On

 

KramASmith

I'm sorry, but I find your posts very difficult to read with all the "!!!"s  the "....."s  and the "???'"s. And that's without the needless capitals and misspellings and bad grammar! 

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22 minutes ago, sambum said:

I'm sorry, but I find your posts very difficult to read with all the "!!!"s  the "....."s  and the "???'"s. And that's without the needless capitals and misspellings and bad grammar! 

Yes, well worth working on Granted. Thanks.

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1 minute ago, Mark Alexander Smith said:

Yes, well worth working on Granted. Thanks.

Ps. In Future, … I will remove the triples, well maybe leave in the Dots, as they are just a break ...  Remove any Capitals, except for the ones that I DO want to put in, Correct the spelling as well as the spell checker lets me (It is Hard when you actually do not know how to spell very well) …..  But well I never really have ever felt like conforming with the Dot the I's, and cross the T's Brigades on Granma. … Well Reduce, the triple dots also … Complaint / Advice accepted, Compromise.

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Sambum, I hope that you get to read this before it probably will / should be removed for being off topic and +++ On That.

 

… Woops Grandma just got through I see ...

 

JFYI I helped a Cambodian Guy do a Flyer for his Guest House, back in the Early Days, ... As well ... When I got there he has worded it with a Bit of a Humorous Double meaning, if you know what I meant for Phom Phen, … "Smelly and Friendly Service" !!! ... Like it was supposed to be "Smiley and Friendly Service" ... (One Love GH, Near the Lucky Plaza Pp. ) ... but well the spell checker had not helped him as a Non English spear at all right. ... 

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On 05/07/2017 at 2:38 PM, Mad mick said:

Maybe she burried hersel same time of suicide " like the poor old farang 82 yrs old stabbed himself to death multiple times " no supprise suicide . "everyone goes to thailand commit suicide why not " if u listen to police or army jaunta announcements . Again

2 burmese usual suspects dejuvu " as death island 2 Burmese copped that set up " finally thrown out of court 99% evidence they were innocent " police lose face go back pick up son of local king pin village headman  police we sorry " we tried to blame the burmese evidence was thrown out , over wellming evidence dna etc, son did + his co/ conspirators all commn Knowledge old man was on tv im going to sue everyone my son is innocent , media " last we ever heard of that case ! Obviously paid

right coin again  ? ?or did son get life in bkk hilton or death penalty " hr murdered 2 young english couple horribly & violently " what happened the case sort of went off the radar headmans cop mate was Implicated police boss moved him inactive posting " the norm  " cop was bored went back on leave to death island wheeling and dealing without any problem's within a month of his new inactive posting " maybe son moved samui he's a murderer ! If it is 2 burmese fair enough ! seen this before" dejuvu " over again , i lived on samui at time of young brits horrific murders on death island  was very common knowledge who did it . ? UK embassy 

follow up the murder convictions from death island , Scotland yard officers assisted thai police in solveing the case ! who did what to who " who was innocent , i hope these burmese guys are not being setup , we know what amazing thai police are capable of doing when it comes to money ! Certainly not the truth " baht rules . Where's the son of death island " Samui by any chance . 

Is this REALLY Common Knowledge ? Have the B2 Been acquitted of the Charge ??? ... It sounds a pretty good Thai Reason, Story, as Posted above, ..But well, .....   Conspiracy Theories !!! ... And On they all Go ....  The British Man gave the Local Thais a Bit of Lip didn’t he ??? (Not Unusually for a Good Native of Good Old Blighty) ... So Maybe Incensed Local Son of King Pin, probably could have reacted like this ? (Very badly, as The Sons of Big King Pins in Thailand often do) .... (I like the Thais and a Lot, but well, I do not Love Rich Asians, to cut a long story short) …. The Local Thais of course, were probably trying to chat up the English fellows NEW, girlfriend though also, Right ? ....

 

 So why at 63 do I not go out to bars anymore !!! ???

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2 hours ago, Mark Alexander Smith said:

Sambum, I hope that you get to read this before it probably will / should be removed for being off topic and +++ On That.

 

… Woops Grandma just got through I see ...

 

JFYI I helped a Cambodian Guy do a Flyer for his Guest House, back in the Early Days, ... As well ... When I got there he has worded it with a Bit of a Humorous Double meaning, if you know what I meant for Phom Phen, … "Smelly and Friendly Service" !!! ... Like it was supposed to be "Smiley and Friendly Service" ... (One Love GH, Near the Lucky Plaza Pp. ) ... but well the spell checker had not helped him as a Non English spear at all right. ... 

Nice story after I dissected it, but :-

 

"… Woops Grandma just got through I see ..."

 

What's that all about?

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Just now, sambum said:

Nice story after I dissected it, but :-

 

"… Woops Grandma just got through I see ..."

 

What's that all about?

I meant to say "Gramar" Like Spelling and Gramar ...But the spell checker changed it to "Grandma" ... I am Tired and going to bed !!! ... A long Day ... Some Interesting new Articals on the B2 British Back Packers Murders on Google Search ... Liiks like I was wrong, ..It probably was the Mafia and the Local Power head mans son apparently !!! ??? ...Got'a Go Now ...

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On 05/07/2017 at 2:38 PM, Mad mick said:

Maybe she burried hersel same time of suicide " like the poor old farang 82 yrs old stabbed himself to death multiple times " no supprise suicide . "everyone goes to thailand commit suicide why not " if u listen to police or army jaunta announcements . Again

2 burmese usual suspects dejuvu " as death island 2 Burmese copped that set up " finally thrown out of court 99% evidence they were innocent " police lose face go back pick up son of local king pin village headman  police we sorry " we tried to blame the burmese evidence was thrown out , over wellming evidence dna etc, son did + his co/ conspirators all commn Knowledge old man was on tv im going to sue everyone my son is innocent , media " last we ever heard of that case ! Obviously paid

right coin again  ? ?or did son get life in bkk hilton or death penalty " hr murdered 2 young english couple horribly & violently " what happened the case sort of went off the radar headmans cop mate was Implicated police boss moved him inactive posting " the norm  " cop was bored went back on leave to death island wheeling and dealing without any problem's within a month of his new inactive posting " maybe son moved samui he's a murderer ! If it is 2 burmese fair enough ! seen this before" dejuvu " over again , i lived on samui at time of young brits horrific murders on death island  was very common knowledge who did it . ? UK embassy 

follow up the murder convictions from death island , Scotland yard officers assisted thai police in solveing the case ! who did what to who " who was innocent , i hope these burmese guys are not being setup , we know what amazing thai police are capable of doing when it comes to money ! Certainly not the truth " baht rules . Where's the son of death island " Samui by any chance . 

Well, at the Great Risk of being Run off, I will note, that I have realized that I only had half of the Information re all the Murders on Ko Tao,  and was probably pretty hoodwinked about all of it, like many other People probably were. …  The links to other News media mess my Post up, so Just Google “Two British murdered on Ko Tow”, and you should find these stories Folks. “Thailand Dark side”, about the Mafia, and “Man reveals Gangsters threatened him on Party Island”

 

And there is the Post here on Thai Visa that I have quoted which has some Obviously False Information in it, …  but well, the Line of the Big Kingpins son, and the Local mafia being involved, is an extremely likely scenario I think, …  especially given the information in the two News articles in these two Links.

 

So Well TIT, and I can handle it, and Like it, Though well, I went to Ko Tao many years ago, and did not Like it, like all the Guest Houses that I went to asked us, if we were going to dive with them … And if not they would not rent us a room !!! (And well my Wife bought a full bottle of Sang Thip from the Local grocery store, on the first Night which did not help either) …

 

Like these two Links and that Fact that David Miller had an argument with a Thai man in the Bar !!!     This really is all we need to know I think, and it IS Obvious.

 

So Poor David Miller and backed up by Hannah Witheridge, Most defiantly God Bless their Souls !!! And No blame on them, they did not know. … But do you think that David would have an argument, and give a Bit of good old Blighty Lip, to the Local Pugs in a bar in Glasgow ??? …  Or any wherein the UK if it comes to that. ? …  Answer, probably not.    So well, why do it in Thailand, a Place that you really do not even know ?

 

If it was me, and the Local Headman’s son came up (and he would be easy to spot), … and started verbally exhibiting his Vulva at me, I would not give him Lip, … I would Why him, and smile !!! … Like would that make me the Looser ??? …  No, it would make me the winner !!! … (I would hope) As he would probably leave me alone, and well, might even have buy me a drink !!!

 

In Thailand, the Mafia can only exist as they do, by being smart and only dealing with their own interests, and NOT MESSING with the Local Population as if they do they know, that sooner or later the Locals Will rise up and Eventually get them !!!  

 

(And Ditto the Military Government ! Q : Who are he Military ? The Children of the Rick ? ..No I would not say so, ..They are the Children of the poor who have been conscripted. … and the Old men probably did their 2 to 3 years in it as well when they were younger … so well the Military is pretty well supported BY the Poor, and they know that they HAVE TO Keep them happy also !!! And the Poor still being 65 to 70% of the Population, well thy really could just about stay in power as long as they wanted to, and the 25% of Elite well Liberals Democracy People in Bangkok ? Well Just Too Bad fellas)

 

Though well, The Local War Lords son’s might be the Loose Cannons, that do not fit in to this MO, like if it was the Local king pin’s son, that did do it on Ko Tao, I would bet that he now would be REALLY Unpopular, with his Father, and all of the other Crim Trash on the island !!! …  For stirring things up for them !!!

 

My Good Thai Business Friend in Bangkok, who was educated in America also, so can Communicate it all WELL, … Told me a story about the Thai Mafia, and well, Off Subject here ? No I do not think so, this is about the Thai Mafia, admittedly Worse in Places Like Ko Tao, but well, still were reasonably Manageable there ?  But well, were WELL manageable everywhere else, …

 

The Story “Some Chinese Mafia from the mainland, or was it Hong Kong, came over here to Bangkok, and started trying to cut in on all the Local Mafias Business … you know all the vice etc. … And the Local Mafia got sick of them, …  so they sent a Hit man out to get them, and when they were in a Taxi, in the middle of Sukhumvit Rd. Stuck in the stationary Traffic, the Hit man just walked out there, and shot them both dead through the Back window of the car” !!! … Now My Friend with Years in America, said that in America they would have shot the driver as well, as he would have been a whiteness that they would not have wanted around !!! But Here in Thailand … NO, Rule One,  do not bother other People that do not bother you !!! … They left the driver to just clean up his Cab ! … As they knew that he would not grass on them anyway, and also that the Cops would not worry about it either, as it was the Hong Kong Mafia trying to cut in on the Local mafia’s territory, so they basically got what was coming to them.  ….  And No locals were hurt, so that also did not take much notice of it either.

 

So well, when the Village King Pins son exhibits his Vulvar to you, … Just Why him, and smile !!! … And then he probably will buy you a drink.

 

And do not get Mouthy with ANY of them !!! Thai men, OR Women !!! … And you will have a very nice time, I am sure, given dodging the usual Crooks, and Rigged taxies, Etc,  especially in the south, is still a Bit of a problem. Like I just will not go down there either and well cringe when I think of going from the Border, to Sieamrip also.

 

And a Smile, and a why, from

 

KramASmith

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49 minutes ago, Mark Alexander Smith said:

So Poor David Miller and backed up by Hannah Witheridge, Most defiantly God Bless their Souls !!! And No blame on them, they did not know. … But do you think that David would have an argument, and give a Bit of good old Blighty Lip, to the Local Pugs in a bar in Glasgow ??? …  Or any wherein the UK if it comes to that. ? …  Answer, probably not.    So well, why do it in Thailand, a Place that you really do not even know ?

 

 

Yes if it was justifiable and he would  not expect to get himself and his girlfriend murdered for it. Why do some on here see the need to bring the UK down to the same levels as the very unpleasant things going on in the islands and therefore semi justifying the murders. In the UK it is quite acceptable to complain about something in a reasonable way and not expect retaliation.

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I don't think i will go back.i spent a fortune last time i was there
I only went to go see my friend in I.C.U.
There is definitely an undercurrent there.
I think they are sick of foreigners !

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On 07/07/2017 at 11:41 AM, rogeroc said:

Yes if it was justifiable and he would  not expect to get himself and his girlfriend murdered for it. Why do some on here see the need to bring the UK down to the same levels as the very unpleasant things going on in the islands and therefore semi justifying the murders. In the UK it is quite acceptable to complain about something in a reasonable way and not expect retaliation.

Yes rogeroc, quite so, the Young couples Murder was totally unjustified in any light, and whoever did it.  And also, they were going home, not back towards the Trouble zone, or digging in for a fight, even if socially they might have come unstuck a bit before. …  Like rule one of Honor, if anyone has chucked it in, is leaving and going home, … you let them go ??? 

 

Still, an Also, the People that they argued with, quite probably were drunk, and probably totally unreasonable also.

 

I only mentioned the UK as that is where they had come from. Like “Would you do in Thailand ? What you would NOT do back home” ? A pretty good Question for a Lot of the People outside their own countries.  … (… Continuing here, to, so if you do not like it, … Why did you come here then ?)

 

Though well, I have been in Thailand off and on, for 34 Years about now, and working off shore with Yes, predominantly British People, from all parts of the UK, ... and well, … That British “Stiff Upper Lip”, ...Though admittedly probably the one Great reason that MAKES them a great People !!! … It also CAN get under your skin !!! …  Particularly if you are an Australian, though well, I would have to say that out on the Boats, often the Australians also were just about as Bad, if not the worst to Personally get off side with.

 

… And well, also a Glaswegian, yes, with an Irish Sure Name, once fairly seriously threatened to Kill me !!! …..   Well his wife did any way !!! Har Har ...  (Over the Internet) …  Which possibly does Color my View in Glasgow a Bit negatively any way, still he had also proudly stated that Glasgow was the Most Dangerous city in the EU !!! … So Yes, Right on rogeroc, …  but well, I think that I will rest my Case on that.

 

Though well “In the UK it is quite acceptable to complain about something in a reasonable way and not expect retaliation” Well, I think that this would depend where you were, how many Pints had been Had, who was around, and what time of Night it was, Like 90% OK, But in Australia at least, My Home country, I would not say that this would be true all of the time… And probably not in many parts of Thailand either.

 

KramASmith

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On 7/9/2017 at 5:51 PM, Mark Alexander Smith said:

Yes rogeroc, quite so, the Young couples Murder was totally unjustified in any light, and whoever did it.  And also, they were going home, not back towards the Trouble zone, or digging in for a fight, even if socially they might have come unstuck a bit before. …  Like rule one of Honor, if anyone has chucked it in, is leaving and going home, … you let them go ??? 

 

Still, an Also, the People that they argued with, quite probably were drunk, and probably totally unreasonable also.

 

I only mentioned the UK as that is where they had come from. Like “Would you do in Thailand ? What you would NOT do back home” ? A pretty good Question for a Lot of the People outside their own countries.  … (… Continuing here, to, so if you do not like it, … Why did you come here then ?)

 

Though well, I have been in Thailand off and on, for 34 Years about now, and working off shore with Yes, predominantly British People, from all parts of the UK, ... and well, … That British “Stiff Upper Lip”, ...Though admittedly probably the one Great reason that MAKES them a great People !!! … It also CAN get under your skin !!! …  Particularly if you are an Australian, though well, I would have to say that out on the Boats, often the Australians also were just about as Bad, if not the worst to Personally get off side with.

 

… And well, also a Glaswegian, yes, with an Irish Sure Name, once fairly seriously threatened to Kill me !!! …..   Well his wife did any way !!! Har Har ...  (Over the Internet) …  Which possibly does Color my View in Glasgow a Bit negatively any way, still he had also proudly stated that Glasgow was the Most Dangerous city in the EU !!! … So Yes, Right on rogeroc, …  but well, I think that I will rest my Case on that.

 

Though well “In the UK it is quite acceptable to complain about something in a reasonable way and not expect retaliation” Well, I think that this would depend where you were, how many Pints had been Had, who was around, and what time of Night it was, Like 90% OK, But in Australia at least, My Home country, I would not say that this would be true all of the time… And probably not in many parts of Thailand either.

 

KramASmith

"Like rule one of Honor, if anyone has chucked it in, is leaving and going home, … you let them go ??? " Seems like your "34 years on and off" in Thailand hasn't taught you that  there is no "honour" here, just "face" (i,e. if you lose face, you fight to the death by any means to get it back, and honour doesn't come into it!)

 

I once heard that when a Thai gets into a fight he doesn't fight to win - he fights to kill. Not far off the truth when you see the gangs of Thais set upon lone farangs, or in the case in Hua Hin where the young thug kicked the old lady in the face as she was sitting on the ground - and he wasn't even involved in the preceding argument!!!

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On 7/9/2017 at 5:51 PM, Mark Alexander Smith said:

Yes rogeroc, quite so, the Young couples Murder was totally unjustified in any light, and whoever did it.  And also, they were going home, not back towards the Trouble zone, or digging in for a fight, even if socially they might have come unstuck a bit before. …  Like rule one of Honor, if anyone has chucked it in, is leaving and going home, … you let them go ??? 

 

Still, an Also, the People that they argued with, quite probably were drunk, and probably totally unreasonable also.

 

I only mentioned the UK as that is where they had come from. Like “Would you do in Thailand ? What you would NOT do back home” ? A pretty good Question for a Lot of the People outside their own countries.  … (… Continuing here, to, so if you do not like it, … Why did you come here then ?)

 

Though well, I have been in Thailand off and on, for 34 Years about now, and working off shore with Yes, predominantly British People, from all parts of the UK, ... and well, … That British “Stiff Upper Lip”, ...Though admittedly probably the one Great reason that MAKES them a great People !!! … It also CAN get under your skin !!! …  Particularly if you are an Australian, though well, I would have to say that out on the Boats, often the Australians also were just about as Bad, if not the worst to Personally get off side with.

 

… And well, also a Glaswegian, yes, with an Irish Sure Name, once fairly seriously threatened to Kill me !!! …..   Well his wife did any way !!! Har Har ...  (Over the Internet) …  Which possibly does Color my View in Glasgow a Bit negatively any way, still he had also proudly stated that Glasgow was the Most Dangerous city in the EU !!! … So Yes, Right on rogeroc, …  but well, I think that I will rest my Case on that.

 

Though well “In the UK it is quite acceptable to complain about something in a reasonable way and not expect retaliation” Well, I think that this would depend where you were, how many Pints had been Had, who was around, and what time of Night it was, Like 90% OK, But in Australia at least, My Home country, I would not say that this would be true all of the time… And probably not in many parts of Thailand either.

 

KramASmith

Billy Connolly said that Glasgow was the only city that if hit by an atomic bomb you wouldn't notice the difference afterwards. Mind you the same sort of thing has been said about Birmingham, ''massive riots in Birmingham last month had caused a million pounds worth of improvements'' 

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1 hour ago, sambum said:

"Like rule one of Honor, if anyone has chucked it in, is leaving and going home, … you let them go ??? " Seems like your "34 years on and off" in Thailand hasn't taught you that  there is no "honour" here, just "face" (i,e. if you lose face, you fight to the death by any means to get it back, and honour doesn't come into it!)

 

I once heard that when a Thai gets into a fight he doesn't fight to win - he fights to kill. Not far off the truth when you see the gangs of Thais set upon lone farangs, or in the case in Hua Hin where the young thug kicked the old lady in the face as she was sitting on the ground - and he wasn't even involved in the preceding argument!!!

Yes you are probably right there Sanbum, … I was considering only my own / what I think should be, the world Idea of “Honor”.  Though, I am not sure that I totally agree with how Vicious you say that the Thais Really are ? … As well, without giving to many secrets away (Back when I was a Bit of a drunk) I did get in to some pretty reasonable Disagreements ???? .... But well if you went in to Negotiation mode you could / I always got out of it.

 

  You know in Thailand, well in the past any way ? If you had a fight with someone, and say ? Ripped a Fluro off the Post by the party’s door, … and Broke it over his arm, as he tried to protect himself, … (After Bothering you) …, let’s say just for the Exercise … …  If you do not continue the fight, like if you go home, … the Police will turn up, and collect you, telling you to bring Warm Clothing as the cells are cold !!! … Then they take you to the Police station, in the back of a Pickup, so all of the Village people can see you on your way out !!!

 

… But then they sit you down at a Big Table outside the Police station, … and the Guy you hit with the Fluro turns up, along with everyone else Involved,  … you then, or your people then negotiate with him, and his People, Like often there is a Bit of Guilt on both sides, … even if you guilt was LOT worse !!!

 

  And when the Price is Fixed, Like very Reasonable People Thais, it could be only about double the Hospital fees to fix his cut up !!! If you are Polite about it …. You hand the very reasonable Compensation payment over,… and then you sign a Good Behavior Bond, and go home !!! … Case Over !!!  And another Good TIT story that you would not tell Mum about. …. Like beats the crap out of Lawyers, and all the rest of that shit !!!  Or getting posted in Thai Visa (Har Har) …  and getting a lot of just total mindless and Crap Blogs leveled at you also !!! Right …. Har Har !!!

 

Though well, YES I think that in the Tourist areas things are probably a LOT worse than they were when I was out on the loose, drinking, and running around. …

 

 And well as I have said I before, and on ThaiVisa, what makes it worse, other than the usual loss of self-Discipline, by just about every one ??? And over crowding !!! … Like the Just “Too Many Rats in a Box” theory ??? …  No, !!! …. THE MAIN factor causing the New Unraveling and Late Night Usually Violence, is ALOHOL.  ….  And I rest my case on that one also.

 

Lucky I do not drink any more.

 

On On and well yes LIG, just Smile and Why …

 

KramASmith

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1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Maybe it's all these acid attacks and stabbings in the UK that could make one think that the islands are quite safe really

most of the islands in Thailand are very safe..but there is one what is not so safe. 

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