Popular Post transam Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: That may be true, but before it is, it seems perfectly reasonable for the people that think it was mistake and that the voting process was badly tainted to attempt by any legal means to either reverse it or try to influence things to make it less of a mistake in practice. Tosh.... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I still can't understand how so called British people still want to reverse the democratic referendum. Also those still winging on wanting to reverse the decision and quite frankly are happy to see the UK to lose jobs and businesses to prove a point. how very patriotic those posters are. Whether you agree or not you should be behind your country, buying British and wanting the best for your country. If you are unhappy vote at the next election for the idiots (IMO) for Corbyn or Cable. In a Thai forum and Thai's have their own problem but one thing they do have it national pride and unity. Its something that many British would do good to mirror. Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, Samuel Johnson 1775. The graveyards are full of patriots and a land fit for heroes never existed, they get a free poppy though. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I still can't understand how so called British people still want to reverse the democratic referendum. Also those still winging on wanting to reverse the decision and quite frankly are happy to see the UK to lose jobs and businesses to prove a point. how very patriotic those posters are. Whether you agree or not you should be behind your country, buying British and wanting the best for your country. If you are unhappy vote at the next election for the idiots (IMO) for Corbyn or Cable. In a Thai forum and Thai's have their own problem but one thing they do have it national pride and unity. Its something that many British would do good to mirror. Utter nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, transam said: Tosh.... Not so at all, you may not want it to be so but it is so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, soalbundy said: Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, Samuel Johnson 1775. The graveyards are full of patriots and a land fit for heroes never existed, they get a free poppy though. Isn't wanting to belong to the EU patriotic. You are contradicting yourself with the quote and supporting the EU. Some things are worth fighting for. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, soalbundy said: Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, Samuel Johnson 1775. The graveyards are full of patriots and a land fit for heroes never existed, they get a free poppy though. I like that, very much. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Grouse said: Utter nonsense. So you disagree. No surprise. What is actually nonsense about what I put. You may have a difference of opinion. Nonsense is your reply. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, soalbundy said: Us? you personally never had any power in the first place. You are correct in the philosophical sense, but I am concerned with the legal entity of 'us' where we do have the power of the vote. 'People power' can make changes. Remember the poll tax riots? Sadly, that power we had is being removed daily by government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, malagateddy said: The UK is leaving the fraudulent..corrupt..autocratic..eu which is run by unelected jobsworths..who gave them the power that they have?? Why don't the remoaners accept defeat gracefully and get on with supporting the UK now.?? Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Because we are smart and see what the Cons are up to. Would you like a biscuit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, malagateddy said: S/bundy..who does not consider 52/48 a viable majority??? A difference of 4 seems clear enough to me. Would you like the best of 3..5..7..9..etc??? Matter of interest..are you British and if so did you use your vote in the referendum One more point..I would love the Govt to have a massive clear out of civil service jobsworths!!! Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 That may be true, but before it is, it seems perfectly reasonable for the people that think it was mistake and that the voting process was badly tainted to attempt by any legal means to either reverse it or try to influence things to make it less of a mistake in practice. I disagree to some extent with this. We are still have parliamentary sovereignty which is where the ultimate power should reside to decide on this. Unless the Conservatives are allowed to continue and negotiate some sort of deal so we can get a clear picture of what a future outside the EU would look like this whole question is not going to go away. The current questions over campaign fraud are serious and do need addressing and it would do TM credit to announce a public enquiry so that it can be dealt with separately and proper legal action taken where required. My concern at present is the Tory plan to leave the EU next March before we know what the negotiated plan is so there is less room to turn back - wouldn’t surprise me if we end up with yet another leadership battle after the local elections in May as the Cons will do badly, partly due to the nature/demographics of the elections themselves, and trouble causers on the right will pin this in TM.Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Grouse said: Because we are smart and see what the Cons are up to. Would you like a biscuit? The UK also had a fascist movement and a communist party who thought they were smart, these folk were Brits with their view on stuff. The UK voted for their view on stuff and the view was to get back to controlling ourselves. No good you crying and want another vote because it didn't go your way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammike Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I still can't understand how so called British people still want to reverse the democratic referendum. Also those still winging on wanting to reverse the decision and quite frankly are happy to see the UK to lose jobs and businesses to prove a point. how very patriotic those posters are. Whether you agree or not you should be behind your country, buying British and wanting the best for your country. If you are unhappy vote at the next election for the idiots (IMO) for Corbyn or Cable. In a Thai forum and Thai's have their own problem but one thing they do have it national pride and unity. Its something that many British would do good to mirror. We had a referendum in 1975 why have you reversed that one? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Grouse..glad we meet up re posting.I hope that you will keep your word that when you go Edinburgh in the near future..you will go thro to Glasgow and visit the part of the Govanhill area that I told you about.CheersSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, adammike said: We had a referendum in 1975 why have you reversed that one? Because the UK tried it and it failed...No more stuffing money into countries which have done sod all and live by different rules.. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Isn't wanting to belong to the EU patriotic. You are contradicting yourself with the quote and supporting the EU. Some things are worth fighting for. No it's not patriotic, it is realizing that we are all brothers and sisters under the skin. Nothing is worth getting killed for, you and your family get nothing out of it. Shooting someone in war might look good on the Hollywood screen but the person killing has to live with that for the rest of their lives, it is against all natural instinct for the average person to kill. During WW2 it was found by the American army's subsequent investigation that only 25% of front line soldiers actually shot in the general direction of the enemy and only 1% shot to kill. The German army had a name for the reluctance of the average German recruit to kill, it was said they had 'frostbite fingers' ie. a reluctance to pull the trigger. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Quote Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this Duplicate Post deleted Edited March 30, 2018 by Chomper Higgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 Quote Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this I'm not sure it can be said with any certainty that nobody voted for 'chaos', I have read and heard a number of comments from people who didn't think Brexit would improve their own life, but would (in their mind) make life difficult for [***] *** insert 'Bankers', 'The Elite', 'Lefties', 'Lefty Elite', 'Foreigners', 'Immigrants'..etc... What is very clear however is that many Brexit supporters voted for things that we now learn are not going to be delivered. The nation's fishing communities know now that they have been shafted, it turns out that despite Brexit leader denials we don't only need a transit deal, the transit deal is going to drag on for years. The Brexit bonus of cash saved from the EU to be handed to the NHS isn't ever going to happen, the EU is still going to pass laws and regulations that the UK will have to follow (only now no longer having any say in what those laws and regulations are), and free movement is not ending. The list goes on. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Airbagwill Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, simoh1490 said: Thankyou, I'll put your name alongside your two chums, "too difficult to answer". Things are not looking too good for team Brexit at this juncture, three out of three couldn't answer a simple question. Brexiteers, rather than admit the hopelessness of their concept, would prefer to see Britain sink to the level of a cold wet Thailand in world standing and standard of living. It is comforting to realise that by 2024, the simple shift in demographics caused by the increase in young voters and death of the Brxiteers will give a comfortable majority to those who wish to remain. The task then of course will most likely be to renegotiate the UKs entry to the EU. As the demographics indicate, this won't be a problem for many Brexiteers as they will have mostly passed on. Time is on the side of remainers. It took 4 to 5 years to squash the Confederates looks like the Brexiteers have got about the same time too. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, soalbundy said: No it's not patriotic, it is realizing that we are all brothers and sisters under the skin. Nothing is worth getting killed for, you and your family get nothing out of it. Shooting someone in war might look good on the Hollywood screen but the person killing has to live with that for the rest of their lives, it is against all natural instinct for the average person to kill. During WW2 it was found by the American army's subsequent investigation that only 25% of front line soldiers actually shot in the general direction of the enemy and only 1% shot to kill. The German army had a name for the reluctance of the average German recruit to kill, it was said they had 'frostbite fingers' ie. a reluctance to pull the trigger. There's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, adammike said: We had a referendum in 1975 why have you reversed that one? Yes we did. It took nearly 40 years to get the opportunity after so many politicians like Blair and Cameron promising one previously. The people have spoken. We tried living as part of the EU and we have decided not to any more, due to varying reasons. We haven't even left yet and people want to reverse it. Maybe they should get a chance in 40 years. Either way British people should support what the democratically referendum result was. If you are unhappy vote at the next election for one of the buffoons I mentioned. That's how it works 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: I still can't understand how so called British people still want to reverse the democratic referendum. Also those still winging on wanting to reverse the decision and quite frankly are happy to see the UK to lose jobs and businesses to prove a point. how very patriotic those posters are. Whether you agree or not you should be behind your country, buying British and wanting the best for your country. If you are unhappy vote at the next election for the idiots (IMO) for Corbyn or Cable. In a Thai forum and Thai's have their own problem but one thing they do have it national pride and unity. Its something that many British would do good to mirror. Yes, we're all backing Britain....... Over a cliff. Democracy is government of the people by the people for the people. It says nothing about mob rule, how they feel on one.particular day or referenda. What astounds me is how simplistic some people are in their lack of understanding of how democracies work. I see it in Thailand, but I never thought I'd see it in places like UK and USA. We haven't been sitting on a bombshell but dumb-shell. Anyone with a modicum of patriotism should be working hard to prevent this Brexit disaster. Edited March 30, 2018 by Airbagwill 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: There's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. They are both the same to me, both lead to jingoism. You can love your country, its way of life, its customs, its scenery as long as this doesn't mean a disrespect of those who are different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 29/03/2018 at 3:46 AM, aright said: One year until the Article 50 deadline – and we'd still probably vote for Brexit https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/one-year-article-50-deadline-still-probably-vote-brexit/ 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: That may be true, but before it is, it seems perfectly reasonable for the people that think it was mistake and that the voting process was badly tainted to attempt by any legal means to either reverse it or try to influence things to make it less of a mistake in practice. Did you miss something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, soalbundy said: No it's not patriotic, it is realizing that we are all brothers and sisters under the skin. Nothing is worth getting killed for, you and your family get nothing out of it. Shooting someone in war might look good on the Hollywood screen but the person killing has to live with that for the rest of their lives, it is against all natural instinct for the average person to kill. During WW2 it was found by the American army's subsequent investigation that only 25% of front line soldiers actually shot in the general direction of the enemy and only 1% shot to kill. The German army had a name for the reluctance of the average German recruit to kill, it was said they had 'frostbite fingers' ie. a reluctance to pull the trigger. Well I am glad your not in my trench. I am under no illusion about what war is. But again some things are worth fighting for and loving and supporting your country use to be a good thing before the lefty, luvvies and tree huggers got their way. now your a racist, far right nut and undemocratic. Well it is utter tosh. Regarding brexit. it is the best thing that has happened to the UK and will show in the long run. The Federalised bullying EU is about control, eroding cultures and imposing their laws on people. Thankfully 52% can see that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, aright said: Did you miss something? 48% don't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, soalbundy said: Try being a little more dispassionate, you'll give yourself a heart attack. The unemployable will still be unemployable, Brexit or no brexit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, aright said: Did you miss something? Did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aright Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, soalbundy said: 48% don't think so Remind me1 Is that smaller or greater than 52% 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted March 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, simoh1490 said: Thankyou, I'll put your name alongside your two chums, "too difficult to answer". Things are not looking too good for team Brexit at this juncture, three out of three couldn't answer a simple question. I'm sorry I can't answer your simplistic question but my tyre is fixed so I feel good today. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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