WAS HE KILLED? Friends of Brit who plunged from Thai balcony while going through bitter divorce believe he was MURDERED

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WAS HE KILLED? 

Friends of Brit who plunged from Thai balcony while going through bitter divorce believe he was MURDERED

Ex-British Steel worker John Toms  from Neath, Wales, allegedly burned through his life savings and 'ran up £100K debts' to give wife Thanyaporn Donsakul cash and gifts

EXCLUSIVE

By Jon Lockett

 

Former British Steel engineer John Toms, 68, was going through a bitter divorce when he was found dead next to a swimming pool in Pattaya, last Wednesday// VIRAL PRESS

 

FRIENDS of the retired British engineer who plunged to his death from an 18th floor room in Thailand believe he may have been murdered.

 

The 68-year-old, seen here with his ex-wife , Thanyaporn, was found dead near a swimming pool in Pattaya

 

He had "spent a fortune" on his "former hooker" wife - buying her a car, motorcycle and supporting her family - before discovering she was cheating on him two years ago.

 

Sources close to John are now calling on local cops investigate the fall amid suspicions he was pushed or murdered several hours BEFORE being hurled off the condo balcony.

 

Full story: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6247294/friends-of-brit-who-plunged-from-thai-balcony-while-going-through-bitter-divorce-believe-he-was-murdered/

 

-- The SUN 2018-05-11

[cornishcarlos]

Very sad indeed.. If he was murdered, it wasn't for a great deal of money which shows just how greedy some people can be !!!

The police will never investigate this properly, they have concluded it was suicide and that will be the end of it..

RIP fella..

[altcar bob]

    Suppose it could if  Rigor mortis was full blown,however keep the funds well out of reach of Thais and everything will be OK (hopefully) 

[Jip99]

4 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

Very sad indeed.. If he was murdered, it wasn't for a great deal of money which shows just how greedy some people can be !!!

The police will never investigate this properly, they have concluded it was suicide and that will be the end of it..

RIP fella..

 

I didn’t think there was any money - earlier reports were of debts of £100k.

 

Not sure who benefits from this death - the wife is already sorted and the GF is not entitled to anything, unless she was nominated for any occupational widow’s pension.

 

R. I. P.

[ezzra]

All too familiar story, an old geezer fall in love with a Thai bar girl, ' she falls in love with him, big wedding lots of drinks and food and big dowry,

lavishing her and her family with money and gifts, bar girl has a boyfriend on the side using the old guy money to support him, old guy find out, fighting fighting and more fighting, old guy desperte

and lost as to what is a happening here, more money on lawyers, try to save the marriage, nothing works, old guy either goes back home a broken man or jump from a balcony, suicide, will be the police findings.....

 

Edited May 10, 2018 by ezzra

[YetAnother]

28 minutes ago, webfact said:

Sources close to John are now calling on local cops investigate the fall amid suspicions he was pushed or murdered several hours BEFORE being hurled off the condo balcony.

sounds like elementary forensics; if she gets all that is left, and should the divorce not be final, sounds like she will, well then...

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

sounds like elementary forensics; if she gets all that is left, and should the divorce not be final, sounds like she will, well then...

 

 

Which “she”...the wife ?

 

I imagine she has everything (such that it was) anyway. - I doubt he would have benefited financially from the divorce. 

[Thaiwrath]

37 minutes ago, webfact said:

Sources close to John are now calling on local cops investigate the fall 

[Samui Bodoh]

"...A police source close to the case said: ''To say that John's divorce was acrimonious is an understatement. Thanyaporn had left him penniless and in debt.

''But John was determined to fight. His father was a lawyer and he'd learned every trick in the book. He was geared up for this divorce case.

''His divorce case was scheduled for Thursday. It was his last chance of getting his money back..."

 

I don't know if it was murder or suicide, but if the quote above is not a reason for a closer look, then I do not know what is. Actually, a MUCH, MUCH closer look...

 

This looks like yet another suspicious death with money as a motive and as a cause...

 

Hmm... have we seen enough of these cases to call them "Thai-style deaths" yet? Just askin'...

 

Edited May 10, 2018 by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

[cornishcarlos]

29 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

I didn’t think there was any money - earlier reports were of debts of £100k.

 

Not sure who benefits from this death - the wife is already sorted and the GF is not entitled to anything, unless she was nominated for any occupational widow’s pension.

 

R. I. P.

 

I believe he was looking to re-coup some of his investments that the wife has..

So the wife stood to lose half of what she had managed to get from him, approx 40k Gbp !!

[cornishcarlos]

18 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

I doubt he would have benefited financially from the divorce. 

 

He would have been entitled to 50% of everything acquired during the marriage..Whether that outweighed his lawyers fees, is another matter... 

[BobBKK]

They never learn...  'ex-hooker'  just DON'T DO IT Thais just don't have the same ethical system (i.e. they don't have one) as the West so don't take the chance!  easy!

[giddyup]

8 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

They never learn...  'ex-hooker'  just DON'T DO IT Thais just don't have the same ethical system (i.e. they don't have one) as the West so don't take the chance!  easy!

Yeah, it's not like a western woman would cheat on you and clean out your bank account.

[sanemax]

We really need to look at this as solely either a suicide or murder of the guy .

There really is no need to bring in the felang/Thai aspect .

     Jeeeeez, just because some people may think there may be foul play here , that doesnt mean that they are anti-Thai .

   Do you really believe that if a person feels that another person may have committed a crime , that the first person must be anti -whatever the second person is !!!!!!!!!!

   If I felt that an American (for example) committed a crime ,would you think that I felt that he committed a crime, because I'm anti -American ?

[catman20]

FRIENDS of the retired British engineer who plunged to his death from an 18th floor room in Thailand believe he may have been murdered.

 

NO REALLY ?

 

Sources close to John are now calling on local cops investigate the fall

 

RIP. So many mugs come here never had a descent bird in their life fall for some hooker then get taken to to cleaners. no one deserves to die for being so stupid but most of them deserve the rest of what they get. 

[sanemax]

Would his Wife have received his pension upon his death ?

Had the divorce been finalised, she would have lost the right to his pension

[Get Real]

Never tell about any money. Always say that you have to save for buying things. If taking on a debt always state that now we can not buy more until the payment is finished.
Hide you bankbooks and passport. 

[jacko45k]

Because this article come from The Sun I suspect the friends are people who knew him prior to him moving to live in Thailand. It is likely he was a changed person after his experiences here.

If he was killed some time prior to the fall, the autopsy should have found this, if they looked. I would expect some more evidence too. It is all very sad but nothing will happen.

Edited May 11, 2018 by jacko45k

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

 

If he was killed some time prior to the fall, the autopsy should have found this, if they looked. I would expect some more evidence too. It is all very sad but nothing will happen.

There is probably no doubt that the fall killed him .

The question is : Whether he jumped or he was thrown off 

[jacko45k]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

There is probably no doubt that the fall killed him .

The question is : Whether he jumped or he was thrown off 

And if the condo was locked from the inside and no evidence of a struggle that looks unlikely.

[cornishcarlos]

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

There is probably no doubt that the fall killed him .

The question is : Whether he jumped or he was thrown off 

 

Or whether he was killed and then pushed !!

I think that it what the article is pointing to...

[meatboy]

1 hour ago, YetAnother said:

sounds like elementary forensics; if she gets all that is left, and should the divorce not be final, sounds like she will, well then...

does she inherit the DEBTS.and who did he owe the MONEY TO.

that might throw up a clue.

Edited May 11, 2018 by meatboy

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

And if the condo was locked from the inside and no evidence of a struggle that looks unlikely.

Was the front door bolted from the inside or was it one of those push button locks , which you press on the way out ?

   Also , it would have been quite easy for the wife to arrange a meeting with a mutual friend to discuss the situation .

   The mutual friend visits , suggests a drink /smoke on the balcony , a hefty shove and goodbye 

[bristolgeoff]

the reason will be the same as many others,one more to the list and tomorrow it will be another one,it could be you or me one day who knows

[smedly]

48 minutes ago, Expatthailover said:

However he got himself into the financial strife not his ex or his last g/f.

He had no way of paying it back

I find this part of the story rather puzzling - penniless and in debt ?

 

so he lived in Thailand after getting married, had a reasonable pension, very likely had savings which he may or may not have spent and yet he owed a reported 100k sterling in debt ? - to who exactly ? I don't believe that 

 

No struggle in the room ?  - well first there wouldn't be if he was alone but then the girlfriend reported she was there but then suddenly she wasn't ? and even if she was - there would still be no struggle if she pushed him over when he wasn't looking.

 

What does the wife gain ? - well she gets to keep all the stuff he bought which sounds like a lot and he was going after it

 

for me the whole things smells rotten and as usual some questions need answering, he doesn't sound like a guy who would give up and jump

 

Just my opinion 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lake Palmer]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

We really need to look at this as solely either a suicide or murder of the guy .

There really is no need to bring in the felang/Thai aspect .

     Jeeeeez, just because some people may think there may be foul play here , that doesnt mean that they are anti-Thai .

   Do you really believe that if a person feels that another person may have committed a crime , that the first person must be anti -whatever the second person is !!!!!!!!!!

   If I felt that an American (for example) committed a crime ,would you think that I felt that he committed a crime, because I'm anti -American ?

This is expatthailover, where any problem a farang encounters (including ones proven to be murdered) is their own fault, "they shouldn't come here if they don't know the dangers etc."

 

Yesterday he was complaining about a farang women who go seriously injured when a lorry drove into the taxi she was in.

[sammieuk1]

I fear it wont be long until the next push jump Pattaya balcony Brit story.  

[Peterw42]

56 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Was the front door bolted from the inside or was it one of those push button locks , which you press on the way out ?

   Also , it would have been quite easy for the wife to arrange a meeting with a mutual friend to discuss the situation .

   The mutual friend visits , suggests a drink /smoke on the balcony , a hefty shove and goodbye 

The original thaivisa thread (and the sun story it links to) said the guy was living with the new girlfriend, the new girlfriend was asleep in bed when he jumped.

 

 

 

[BEngBKK]

There are god diggers in all countries.... And not only women

[wvavin]

Just hope he passed on his debt to his wife if possible.