Urine Drug Tests How to Act?

[buick]

2 minutes ago, Shaksey said:

Yes, same checkpoint, Thonglor police.

ok.  thanks.  i'll let the boys at the bars know we have some new figures to work with !!!

[timendres]

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

With regards to dodgy corrupt police / fake positives etc... I've never heard of that here. Its certainly an uncomfortable prospect, but fortunately one we have little need to worry about. As corrupt as the police force seem, they are not so disgustingly dirty as to plant drugs, fake the results of drugs tests etc. 

With respect, I have personally witnessed a drug test at a police station being rigged. It does happen. But I think it is rare.

 

For anyone who is clean, and has been dealt a scam, politely request a blood test at a hospital laboratory to verify your results. It may not always work, but it puts the police in a difficult position, and can sometimes extricate you.

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, timendres said:

With respect, I have personally witnessed a drug test at a police station being rigged. It does happen. But I think it is rare.

 

For anyone who is clean, and has been dealt a scam, politely request a blood test at a hospital laboratory to verify your results. It may not always work, but it puts the police in a difficult position, and can sometimes extricate you.

 

Thats interesting to learn...  would you go into a little more detail? how did the BiB (in Thailand?) rig the test?

 

Its good advice to have any test followed up at a hospital in the event of a false positive. 

[IsaanFam]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Thats interesting to learn...  would you go into a little more detail? how did the BiB (in Thailand?) rig the test?

 

Its good advice to have any test followed up at a hospital in the event of a false positive. 

 

I read a book about a prison escape in Thailand, the guy stated that the cops put some dope into his car and tried to extort couple million bahts which he refused to pay followed by a transfer to Hilton.

 

These things happen, especially in tourist areas. Just think of how many ways there are to make money, and hiring a guy selling dope to a foreigner and then arrest him to get money is one of many things in their repertoire of scams.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, IsaanFam said:

 

I read a book about a prison escape in Thailand, the guy stated that the cops put some dope into his car and tried to extort couple million bahts which he refused to pay followed by a transfer to Hilton.

 

These things happen, especially in tourist areas. Just think of how many ways there are to make money, and hiring a guy selling dope to a foreigner and then arrest him to get money is one of many things in their repertoire of scams.

 

An oldie but a goldie....  of course, you have to be in the market for buying dope to get caught out by this one. 

 

I imagine it has happened to someone at some point... but this is different from saying 'it happens'...  or 'these things happen' which implies a greater frequency and that we are at a far greater risk than we imagine. 

 

Are we really at risk of having drugs planted on us or having our urine samples tampered with on the streets of Bangkok?

 

I for one still believe the police are just not interested in catching honest folk, but they won't blink at extorting someone who has failed a test. 

[timendres]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Thats interesting to learn...  would you go into a little more detail? how did the BiB (in Thailand?) rig the test?

 

Its good advice to have any test followed up at a hospital in the event of a false positive. 

The event happened in a well known central Bangkok police station. The person was collected on a sidewalk, and escorted to the station for the testing. That phase of the operation appeared to have been well coordinated. At the station, they were faced by eight police sitting around the table to intimidate them. The rigging could only have been done in one way - the bottle that was used to collect the sample must have been tainted. I say this because the person being tested had never used any form of ice (or it's derivatives) in their life, the test kit was new and sealed (the police made a big show of this fact), and the test showed positive for ice. Simply not possible. The police then suggested that a payment of 30,000 baht could "make it go away". By repeatedly, but politely, insisting on a blood test at the hospital, the police reluctantly let him go, but only after a further 2 hours of pressure to "just pay the fine".

 

From what I witnessed, I would never pee into a sample bottle. I would insist on peeing directly onto the test strip, and I would insist it come from a sealed package from the manufacturer. Even then, I would first request a blood test at a reputable hospital. If this was refused and a pee test required, which then showed positive, I would then demand the blood test.

[timendres]

52 minutes ago, Shaksey said:

Yes, same checkpoint, Thonglor police.

Notorious.

[Shaksey]

20 minutes ago, timendres said:

The event happened in a well known central Bangkok police station. The person was collected on a sidewalk, and escorted to the station for the testing. That phase of the operation appeared to have been well coordinated. At the station, they were faced by eight police sitting around the table to intimidate them. The rigging could only have been done in one way - the bottle that was used to collect the sample must have been tainted. I say this because the person being tested had never used any form of ice (or it's derivatives) in their life, the test kit was new and sealed (the police made a big show of this fact), and the test showed positive for ice. Simply not possible. The police then suggested that a payment of 30,000 baht could "make it go away". By repeatedly, but politely, insisting on a blood test at the hospital, the police reluctantly let him go, but only after a further 2 hours of pressure to "just pay the fine".

 

From what I witnessed, I would never pee into a sample bottle. I would insist on peeing directly onto the test strip, and I would insist it come from a sealed package from the manufacturer. Even then, I would first request a blood test at a reputable hospital. If this was refused and a pee test required, which then showed positive, I would then demand the blood test.

When I was at the station I refused to do the pee test on their crappy basic kit for a couple of hours. There was no intimidation, no hard pressure. They just kept politely asking me to take the test. Eventually I realised I was not going anywhere until I did this and so agreed. This was all in their air conditioned squad room, it was all very pleasant atmosphere really.

 

You can't pee directly onto the test strip. A very small amount is transferred onto the strip with a pipette. I was escorted to the head and an officer let me pee about 20-30ml into a test bottle from a sealed package while I was standing at urinal while he observed but at a respectful distance. I carried the bottle back, it could not have been tampered with at any time.

 

All packages were sealed in my experience and the procedure explained well in English.

 

Plenty of reasons why you could pee a false positive for ice. Lots of over the counter and everyday products you may consume can make you do this, especially with the very basic test the Thai police use.

 

If you failed and didn't want to pay up then if you wanted hospital or blood tests then you would be put in the system. You'd get exonerated eventually but you would be spending a few days in the cells before this happened. If you have the time and nothing else to do or have no money then this is an option if you really are clean. For most people paying up and walking away is the better option.

 

 

[Shaksey]

40 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

An oldie but a goldie....  of course, you have to be in the market for buying dope to get caught out by this one. 

 

I imagine it has happened to someone at some point... but this is different from saying 'it happens'...  or 'these things happen' which implies a greater frequency and that we are at a far greater risk than we imagine. 

 

Are we really at risk of having drugs planted on us or having our urine samples tampered with on the streets of Bangkok?

 

I for one still believe the police are just not interested in catching honest folk, but they won't blink at extorting someone who has failed a test. 

You are more at risk of peeing a false positive due to other completely legal things you have consumed.

[Shaksey]

Oh, and FWIW, Thonglor police at Asoke don't make you take a pee test on the street anymore. They will initially take you to the Asoke junction police box/mini station.

 

I think one way to avoid a pee test that I have actually tried and it worked is to suggest it and offer to do it before they ask you to. Then if you were to pass it's all a bit of a face loss for them and it puts you on the front foot. Who's going to suggest/ask to do a pee test if they've been taking drugs? I suppose there is a risk they will think you're playing the reverse psychology game and make you do it anyway. I did this when stopped and pocket/bag searched on Soi16 outside Exchange Tower a few months back and they let me go on my way.

[atyclb]

9 hours ago, Mansell said:

If you read what he wrote they took his phone away and deleted the video he had taken. They hold all the aces and you are the Joker.

 

he likely gave it them rather than refuse and stand his ground not to say i might not do the same also. recently i was stopped and did video the cop trying to shake me down but speaking reasonable thai he backed off.  just dont have a lot of love for them nor do thai people

[xtrnuno41]

On 5/30/2018 at 2:58 PM, pr0fik said:

Thanks for your reply.

As I understood, it is Legal for Thai police to perform urine tests on the street. 

No you probably already red once, insist going to buro for test !! OK takes more time or maybe not and they ll let you go. Hence no money for them from you and going to station for test ? uh uh

[NetJunkie]

18 hours ago, kannot said:

Im not interested in his sexual practices??

 

 

18 hours ago, kannot said:

So your two puffs were what?

 

I think it you need to learn the difference between puffs and poofs.

[Humid]

Also pee into the toilet first then do your sample mid stream.

[holy cow cm]

Happened to 4 of my US visitors last night coming from State Tower for dinner and drinks. Searched wallets, pockets, but no pee test. Said was 4-5 other taxi cars with foreigners in them. 

[atyclb]

14 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Happened to 4 of my US visitors last night coming from State Tower for dinner and drinks. Searched wallets, pockets, but no pee test. Said was 4-5 other taxi cars with foreigners in them. 

 

the funniest thing is at the slightest bit of rain (drizzle) all of this important law enforcement becomes irrelevant and they run away.  

[holy cow cm]

35 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

the funniest thing is at the slightest bit of rain (drizzle) all of this important law enforcement becomes irrelevant and they run away.  

Wasn’t raining unfortunately. But you are correct, as even for Chiang Mai, rain they run. 

[pr0fik]

Yeah its confirmed, foreigners are  target in Asoke. Friend got also searched today. 

[Andyfrancis]

I would refuse to do a urine test on the street even if I hadn't had a few puffs and go from there. Call a friend or the hotel if you're staying in might also be a good idea.

[buick]

13 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Happened to 4 of my US visitors last night coming from State Tower for dinner and drinks. Searched wallets, pockets, but no pee test. Said was 4-5 other taxi cars with foreigners in them. 

glad to hear they made it through okay. 

[holy cow cm]

58 minutes ago, buick said:

glad to hear they made it through okay. 

Yeah me too! Makes me think that taxis might be getting a kick back if their foreigner passenger tests positive or they find something. Why else would taxis go that way? 

[buick]

3 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Yeah me too! Makes me think that taxis might be getting a kick back if their foreigner passenger tests positive or they find something. Why else would taxis go that way? 

i have wondered the same thing.  i was part of a 4 day event by the river, near the state tower.  the first 3 nts, the taxis took me home via the expressway.  the 4th night (saturday, typical checkpoint night) the taxi took me through the checkpoint.  that stretch of road is heavily traveled so i know why they take it but you never know.  it is best to tell the taxi driver not to go that way, the alternate routes are longer but less hassle.  although, it is hard for tourists to explain that to the driver.

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, buick said:

i have wondered the same thing.  i was part of a 4 day event by the river, near the state tower.  the first 3 nts, the taxis took me home via the expressway.  the 4th night (saturday, typical checkpoint night) the taxi took me through the checkpoint.  that stretch of road is heavily traveled so i know why they take it but you never know.  it is best to tell the taxi driver not to go that way, the alternate routes are longer but less hassle.  although, it is hard for tourists to explain that to the driver.

It is a normal way to go from Silom but taxi drivers can’t be that stupid or plainly not care. Anyone coming from any weed smoking country is in serious danger. The world should hear about this farce of entrapment and violation of human rights without probable cause. Foreigner profiling to entrap is so uncool 

[jenny2017]

On 5/31/2018 at 6:02 PM, timendres said:

With respect, I have personally witnessed a drug test at a police station being rigged. It does happen. But I think it is rare.

 

For anyone who is clean, and has been dealt a scam, politely request a blood test at a hospital laboratory to verify your results. It may not always work, but it puts the police in a difficult position, and can sometimes extricate you.

A great idea, which should be your right. (At least in more civilized countries) Should anybody think that they're positive on weed, a blood test doesn't show the intake that long as a urine test does. 

 

 Same happened to a friend of mine back home who couldn’t pee when they wanted a urine example to test on drugs.

 

He’d smoked weed the day before, but fortunately, the blood test was negative. In that case very positive for him, his job relied on his driver’s license.

[holy cow cm]

On 6/1/2018 at 7:22 AM, Humid said:

Also pee into the toilet first then do your sample mid stream.

Explain more for why it is relevant 

[Humid]

Since you asked I looked it up and it turns out to be an urban myth.

geez been doing it for ten years

[mogandave]

Yeah me too! Makes me think that taxis might be getting a kick back if their foreigner passenger tests positive or they find something. Why else would taxis go that way? 

Ridiculous.

How would something like that be kept searcher?

[mogandave]

It is a normal way to go from Silom but taxi drivers can’t be that stupid or plainly not care. Anyone coming from any weed smoking country is in serious danger. The world should hear about this farce of entrapment and violation of human rights without probable cause. Foreigner profiling to entrap is so uncool 

Anyone smoking weed is may be in serious danger, but not everyone from a “...weed smoking country...” needs to be concerned.

While it is profiling (they stop people that look like pot-heads), testing positive is not entrapment.

[holy cow cm]

12 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

Ridiculous.

How would something like that be kept searcher?

 

HUH? You mean kept secret? You are a foreigner and not Thai. Taxi's will not cut a way to make money out. Most are from Issan. Your statement is ridiculous. 

[holy cow cm]

12 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

Anyone smoking weed is may be in serious danger, but not everyone from a “...weed smoking country...” needs to be concerned.

While it is profiling (they stop people that look like pot-heads), testing positive is not entrapment.

 

You state the obvious, so what's your point. My sentence should say, everyone who smokes weed coming from a weed smoking country? It is profiling, and it is entrapment. No authentic probable cause, only the quest to make pocket money.