Must Read Shock as Trump backs Putin on election meddling at summit

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Wow,brilliant!

You're buying the Putin propaganda also?

[johnnybangkok]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. He has given them the lowest unemployment in a long while and a booming economy, plus extra money in their pocket, but many still hate him, even before Russia summit.

Typical Trumper deflection; I cannot argue the actual point that everyone is discussing because it actually came out of Trumps mouth so I'm going to deflect to another topic and talk about unemployment and the economy.

I know it's difficult for you guys to do but please try and stick to the topic.  

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Wow,brilliant!

You Trumpers should build the wall out of Hilary's emails as no one seems to be able to get over it.

[Nigel Garvie]

14 minutes ago, smotherb said:

Have you totally missed the point? The fact that all countries meddle is not the issue at all.  We have a president who may very well have been placed in office by Russian meddling. What is with this FAKE, there is nothing fake about Trump backing Putin against his own country's intelligence agencies.

This is true.

"The CIA, the National Security Agency, the F.B.I. and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, all determined that Russia interfered in the election. Their work was compiled into a report, and a declassified version was released on Jan. 6 by the director of national intelligence. It said that all four agencies had “high confidence” that Russian spies had tried to interfere in the election on the orders of President Vladimir V. Putin."  How many of his own largely honest, hardworking and decent public servants does he have to attack, to satisfy a foreign despot, before his supporters finally realise that he, and by association they, are betraying  their own country.

Far be it from me as a Scot, to take pleasure in the discomfort and embarrassment of the looney right in another country. However I will say that we saw through the eejit radge orange bampot years before he stood for office.

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Nigel Garvie

[AlexRich]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear, oh dear ( shakes head in wonder ).

 

except this time he’s going to bankrupt the nation.

LOL, Obama already did that with his 17 trillion or whatever debt.

 

Obama inherited the financial crisis of 2007 from George W ... he didn’t create it. And the strong economy that Trump constantly boasts about was inherited, from Obama. The next step is tax cuts, unsustainable deficit then bankruptcy. Trump has the reverse Midas touch.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Are you taking about the Obama recovery again?  The "money in their pocket" is borrowed from overseas, mostly China.  They are the ones funding his trillion dollar deficits.

and Trump is the only one trying to level the playing field with his tariffs on China. However, many US politicians think they should allow China to continue to rip off the US. Also many non politicians by the looks of it.

Trump is the one calling out Germany for giving Russia loadsacash while expecting the US to protect Germany for free, or nearly free from Russia.

[johnnybangkok]

14 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

EU's view is that the US is a cash cow and is cannon fodder for any war with Russia.  US then asserts sovereignty and calls the EU on its bullshit.  These shit countries can't even be bothered to meet 2% defense spending.

 

Then we get labeled: "You're a Nazi/fascist/racist"  Pick any three.  Sit and spin, EU.

Not necessarily just 'nazi/fascist/racist' as there are predominately only two types of Trump supporters; billionaires and idiots.

Check your bank account to see which one you are.

[bristolboy]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. He has given them the lowest unemployment in a long while and a booming economy, plus extra money in their pocket, but many still hate him, even before Russia summit.

He gave it to them? He was responsible? Ever heard of post hoc ergo propter hoc. It's Latin for a logical fallacy. Literal meaning is "after this therefore because of this."

[bristolboy]

54 minutes ago, tropo said:

How do you sleep at night with all this pent-up hatred? "Treasonous traitor" - what a load of claptrap.

The right seemed to survive the Obama years despite spewing their vitriol about him. Of course in their case it was about him not being born in the USA and being a secret muslim. Fantasy.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Typical Trumper deflection; I cannot argue the actual point that everyone is discussing because it actually came out of Trumps mouth so I'm going to deflect to another topic and talk about unemployment and the economy.

I know it's difficult for you guys to do but please try and stick to the topic.  

That was a response to a different poster. Try and keep up.

 

You complaining about being off topic 5555555555555.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

Usa-ian,  is the U S A the only country that doesn't have a word for their people.  This was stated to me by a person from the USA. American is not technically correct. 

Words are defined by usage. As far as I'm aware there is no Academy for the English language that dictates what is correct and what is not. 

[smotherb]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear, oh dear ( shakes head in wonder ).

“ . . . on March 9, 2009, during the depths of the Great Recession. That day, the Dow closed at 6,547. Between then and Jan. 5 — a 10-month period — the Dow rose by a stunning 61 percent. That’s more than three times faster than Trump’s rise over the same period in his term.” http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jan/08/how-trump-obama-compare-stock-market/

 

“When it comes to job creation, the economy has been adding jobs for 78 months in a row. Saying Trump is responsible for the current economy is completely disingenuous—his main efforts have been to undo Obama's legacy, many of which are directly responsible for the economic gains the U.S. is seeing.” https://thetylt.com/politics/unemployment-down-obama-trump-responsible

 

You have to remember, Obama took over in a recession and Trump took over in growing economy. True, Trump’s deregulation of the market, pro-business policies and tax reform have helped sustain the growth, but to say Trump is totally responsible is naive at best.

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Are you taking about the Obama recovery again?  The "money in their pocket" is borrowed from overseas, mostly China.  They are the ones funding his trillion dollar deficits.

 

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and Trump is the only one trying to level the playing field with his tariffs on China. However, many US politicians think they should allow China to continue to rip off the US. Also many non politicians by the looks of it.

Trump is the one calling out Germany for giving Russia loadsacash while expecting the US to protect Germany for free, or nearly free from Russia.

I notice you're trying to not address my post or the topic.  You failed.

 

Trump's trillion dollar deficits are what is fueling the trade deficit.  Countries with surplus US dollars from their trade surplus are using it to buy interest earning treasuries.  End the budget deficit and they'll have to do something else with those dollars, such as buy US goods and end the trade deficit.

[bristolboy]

40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't think Trump's going to win on this one, regardless of what he may have meant by his comments. However, to those that never watch Fox, not every commentator on that channel loves, or even supports Trump. Some even hate him. Bit like the GOP. One party, but filled with people that loathe Trump.

The only thing that really counts though, is if his base is convinced that the propaganda is true, and vote against the GOP because of it, or stay at home. Have to wait till November for the answer to that, and a week in politics is a long time.

I did get the impression watching the tv that Trump was not entirely convinced himself, even if he was saying all the right things.

It will be meaningless to the anti Trumpers, but leaders don't make peace with their allies, they make it with their enemies.

And they don't create ruptures with their allies before they go to negotiate with their enemies. And they certainly don't call their allies any kind of foe. Not even Neville Chamberlain did that. They certainly don't side with their enemy against their own people. But Trump did all those things. Maybe you think peace at any price is worth it?

[bristolboy]

29 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

EU's view is that the US is a cash cow and is cannon fodder for any war with Russia.  US then asserts sovereignty and calls the EU on its bullshit.  These shit countries can't even be bothered to meet 2% defense spending.

 

Then we get labeled: "You're a Nazi/fascist/racist"  Pick any three.  Sit and spin, EU.

They've got until 2024. And Trump abruptly doubled the ante to 4%. A bigger percentage than the US pays for defense.

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I have no hatred. Just cold-eyed objectivity and realism.

 

Trump is, and has been, siding with Russia over the interests and positions of his own country.

 

 

But ask yourself why? Everything he does and says is to pander to his base, except toadying to Russia. His base has traditionally seen Russia as the evil commies, sworn enemy of the US, the number one threat to Western democracy, the Devil incarnate, yet throughout the election campaign he toadied up to Russia and in particular Putin. It makes no sense.

 

On the other side, Putin has freely admitted that he wanted Trump to win the election and, it's now clear, that he did everything in his power to make it so. Why would he want to install such a loose cannon in the Whitehouse? It makes no sense.

 

It makes no sense unless Putin saw Trump as a puppet that could make do his bidding no matter how damaging to Trump and/or the USA.

 

It's plain as a pikestaff that Putin has the goods on Trump and that Trump is terrified of him.

 

Whether those goods be the pee pee tape (I doubt that it could be just that as Trump easily navigated the Hollywood tape and the accusations of more than 20 women of sexual impropriety) or illegal deals with the Russians by Trump Inc. or even helping Russian oligarchs to launder large amounts of money or all three, if Trump is making decisions of national importance on the strength of this then he is guilty of treason.

 

It's still on the statute books, in the UK, that the maximum sentence for treason is death by firing squad. I've no idea what the maximum sentence for treason in the US, butI hope that it's the same as the UK as I along with the majority of US citizens would love to see him put up against a wall.....

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Spidey

[johnnybangkok]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That was a response to a different poster. Try and keep up.

 

You complaining about being off topic 5555555555555.

48 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Since you are not a Yank I can explain it to you. The POTUS serves the people of the US. Not the other way around. Maybe it works differently in your home country.

LOL. He has given them the lowest unemployment in a long while and a booming economy, plus extra money in their pocket, but many still hate him, even before Russia summit.

 

The original poster (Mikebike) was talking about the role of POTUS in the context of this topic and YOU replied with 'unemployment and economy'. So yeah. Deflection.

[bristolboy]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear, oh dear ( shakes head in wonder ).

 

except this time he’s going to bankrupt the nation.

LOL, Obama already did that with his 17 trillion or whatever debt.

 

Obama inherited the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. The USA came out of it faster than any other major economic power with the exception of Canada. And that's because Canada kept its banking industry strictly regulated.  Despite his promises before taking office, Trump is once again deregulating the US banking industry

Now that the economy is strong, what's Trump excusing for massively increasing budget deficits?.

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

Usa-ian,  is the U S A the only country that doesn't have a word for their people.  This was stated to me by a person from the USA. American is not technically correct. 

And why is American not technically correct? Our country's name is the United States of America. America is in our name. The other countries in North and South America do not have the word "America" in their names, do they?

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, smotherb said:

“ . . . on March 9, 2009, during the depths of the Great Recession. That day, the Dow closed at 6,547. Between then and Jan. 5 — a 10-month period — the Dow rose by a stunning 61 percent. That’s more than three times faster than Trump’s rise over the same period in his term.” http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jan/08/how-trump-obama-compare-stock-market/

 

 

 

“When it comes to job creation, the economy has been adding jobs for 78 months in a row. Saying Trump is responsible for the current economy is completely disingenuous—his main efforts have been to undo Obama's legacy, many of which are directly responsible for the economic gains the U.S. is seeing.” https://thetylt.com/politics/unemployment-down-obama-trump-responsible

 

 

 

You have to remember, Obama took over in a recession and Trump took over in growing economy. True, Trump’s deregulation of the market, pro-business policies and tax reform have helped sustain the growth, but to say Trump is totally responsible is naive at best.

 

Sad to say, in his case it may not be disengenuous at all. If past form is any indication.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Maybe you think peace at any price is worth it?

Seeing as you brought him into it, Chamberlain certainly did and it ended up with a lot of Britons getting killed ( wasn't great for the European nations either ).

Trump hasn't been half as tough on those "leaders" in the EU as I'd like him to be. Putin is expected to be trying it on with the west, but the Euro nations are just taking the <deleted> with their pathetic militaries.

[riclag]

32 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

When will Americans wake up to the fact that Donald J Trump, whose business is heavily funded by Russian customers, has been seriously compromised by Russian intelligence and is effectively an asset of the Russian state. And that is why he is hell-bent in disrupting NATO and splitting the European Union ... to serve his master Putin.

  We woke up long before DJT came along,in fact the majority of voters for Change used DJT . Is it against the law for American citizens, to do business with Russians? Nothing new about NATO ,it was all discussed during the campaign.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And they don't create ruptures with their allies before they go to negotiate with their enemies. And they certainly don't call their allies any kind of foe. Not even Neville Chamberlain did that. They certainly don't side with their enemy against their own people. But Trump did all those things. Maybe you think peace at any price is worth it?

 

Whatever Trump did yesterday, it certainly wasn't to create "peace" between the U.S. and Russia. That would be a tough job.

 

Instead, what Trump did is unilaterally surrender and abandon U.S. interests to Putin. Pull out the white flag and wave it loud and long -- on election tampering, on Crimea, and who knows on what else. Any fool and imbecile can surrender, that takes no skill or talent at all.

 

Trump abandoned and contradicted the positions of his own nation and his own government to Putin. That's why he is a treasonous traitor giving aid and comfort to one of the U.S.'s enemies.

 

How often in U.S. history do you think you've find a former CIA director expressing the following opinion of a sitting U.S. president?

 

Quote

 

John O. Brennan
(@JohnBrennan)

Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???

 

 

 

 

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seeing as you brought him into it, Chamberlain certainly did and it ended up with a lot of Britons getting killed ( wasn't great for the European nations either ).

Trump hasn't been half as tough on those "leaders" in the EU as I'd like him to be. Putin is expected to be trying it on with the west, but the Euro nations are just taking the <deleted> with their pathetic militaries.

So you're saying that Trump isn't making the same kind of Chamberlain made:  not being tough on Hitler.  By being tough on his allies and conciliatory to Putin?  You have a very special understanding of history.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

 . Is it against the law for American citizens, to do business with Russians?

It depends on the who you're actually doing business with and if the transactions are actually what they're represented to be.

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Is it against the law for American citizens, to do business with Russians?

Sanctions against Russia have been in place against Russia, including doing business with certain individuals a nd certain areas of business. Sanction busting is a serious criminal offence.

[BobBKK]

Just now, bristolboy said:

So you're saying that Trump isn't making the same kind of Chamberlain made:  not being tough on Hitler.  By being tough on his allies and conciliatory to Putin?  You have a very special understanding of history.

I'm afraid your reflections, if they can be called that,  are so off the mark its almost embarrassing. Putin is not a Hitler. Your hatred burns away at your soul and you cannot see anything for the flames. USA is not at war with Russia and Russia is not the enemy even though some US rednecks want to paint it that way.  Both sides spy, meddle and cheat right?  it's all manufactured BS for the masses hoping to get rid of Trump in 2020. Tell us you can see that.

[Ramen087]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

If the prompt removal of the ZTE ban is an appetizer of things to come when Trump gained commercial benefits, I probably will not be holding my breathe too long. 

 

[Ramen087]

5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The people who opposed Putin, what a surprise.

 

[BobBKK]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Whatever Trump did yesterday, it certainly wasn't to create "peace" between the U.S. and Russia. That would be a tough job.

 

Instead, what Trump did is unilaterally surrender and abandon U.S. interests to Putin. Pull out the white flag and wave it loud and long -- on election tampering, on Crimea, and who knows on what else. Any fool and imbecile can surrender, that takes no skill or talent at all.

 

Trump abandoned and contradicted the positions of his own nation and his own government to Putin. That's why he is a treasonous traitor giving aid and comfort to one of the U.S.'s enemies.

 

How often in U.S. history do you think you've find a former CIA director expressing the following opinion of a sitting U.S. president?

 

 

 

 

 

 

He also called on Pompeo, Kelly and Bolton to resign. He was an Obama puppet and you quote him?  that's unbiased right?  nothing partisan in that right?  we believe you