Video: Who's in the wrong? Not the tractor driver!

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Video: Who's in the wrong? Not the tractor driver!

 

 

Video from Surin showed an accident at an intersection in Ban Khot Takhian district on Sunday.

 

A farmer was thrown from his tractor cab after he was collided head on by a pick-up.

 

Moments earlier the pick-up swerved to avoid another pick-up coming out of a side road.

 

Thai media asked who was to blame?

 

They said it was negligence with both pick-up drivers in an unnecessary hurry.

 

Source: Sportringside

 

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[keith101]

The white pickup is mainly to blame by waiting so long before exiting the side road , pulling out in front of oncoming traffic causing the other vehicle to swerve to avoid that accident but creating another with the tractor . I see this all the time its like their brain is on standby until another vehicle is almost there and then their brain reactivates to move off and bang an accident happens .

[KhunBENQ]

15 minutes ago, keith101 said:

The white pickup is mainly to blame

No question.

A STOP sign, a flashing warning light, a solid white line.

What more can you ignore?

How blind and brain dead must one be to pull out in front of the other pickup?

Can you require that the vehicles on the principal road slow down for every T-junction or crossing?

 

A commonplace accident.

Good that seemingly no one was seriously hurt.

Could well have ended fatally.

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by KhunBENQ

[4MyEgo]

6 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

No question.

A STOP sign, a flashing warning light, a solid white line.

What more can you ignore?

How blind and brain dead must one be to pull out in front of the other pickup?

I don't wish to disagree with the above two posts, however if you watch the white ute going in the opposite direction until you can no longer see it, you will notice that the ute that swerved to avoid the car coming out of the stop sign was moving at what seems to be twice the speed of the ute going in the opposite direction, so once the guy has looked to the right, then left, then right again and started moving forward, it's oh sheeet, a bit of a blinder at that speed in my opinion.

 

I would say, yes the guy at the stop sign is negligent, but not without also saying the ute driver speeding was also negligent because if he was travelling at a normal speed he would have been able to stop without swerving, and to back up my theory of speeding, just measure those skid marks, you can actually see the tractor guy reversing as to say, oh sheeet this guy is going to hit me, although he should have just jumped to avoid breaking some ribs, getting his spleen removed, or at least having the wind taken out of him.

 

Couldn't believe the ute driver first walking towards the back of his ute as if to say what the fark to the other driver and then to walk with the other two guys towards the injured tractor driver, but not to see if he was ok, but to just stand there and blame the other driver at the stop sign.

 

Book the speeding driver, let the guy at the stop sign go, as he did stop, and he did proceed with caution at the broken lines, and he did stop as soon as he saw speedy gozales at the last second, but as we saw, the speeding ute had no chance in stopping as he locked it up and swerved ending up on the other side of the road and into the tractor, luckily enough not killing anyone.

[thaiguzzi]

Wow!

The front of that D Max will be a mess.

A pick up truck or car will never win a fight with a plough on the front of a tractor....

[thaibear]

25 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

you can actually see the tractor guy reversing as to say, oh sheeet this guy is going to hit me, although he should have just jumped to avoid breaking some ribs, getting his spleen removed, or at least having the wind taken out of him.

The guy in the tractor is clearly working clearing the road edge and was reversing back after completing that part, first he knew of it was probably hearing the skid. But as usual in Thailand none or insufficient hazard warning that works are ongoing. The stop line, like many I see in Thailand, is in a position where it is impossible to see the road you are joining, who  has a Stop line immediately followed by Give Way lines?? Nothing knew for poor and incomprehensible road markings in Thailand. Blame? Does it matter Thai logic will prevail, at least no one was killed this time!

[4MyEgo]

8 minutes ago, thaibear said:

The guy in the tractor is clearly working clearing the road edge and was reversing back after completing that part, first he knew of it was probably hearing the skid. But as usual in Thailand none or insufficient hazard warning that works are ongoing. The stop line, like many I see in Thailand, is in a position where it is impossible to see the road you are joining, who  has a Stop line immediately followed by Give Way lines?? Nothing knew for poor and incomprehensible road markings in Thailand. Blame? Does it matter Thai logic will prevail, at least no one was killed this time!

At the end of the day, if the guy wasn't speeding, no accident would have happened in my opinion, although I do understand what you are referring too.

[NE1]

Road markings , flashing lights , signs ,  they think they are there for decoration.

[zaphod reborn]

100% on the tractor.  The tractor is reversing and has the highest duty of care to ensure that the movement of the vehicle can be made safely.  As the tractor was encroaching on a lane of traffic, it was also being operated in the improper lane, even if its reversing action was in same direction as the flow of traffic.

 

Contrary to some of the opinions above, I see absolutely no evidence the tractor operator was engaged in any kind of road maintenance.  There are no governmental work signs, no warning signs, no road work uniforms, and he wasn't doing any roadside work.  He's a farmer operating his vehicle on the wrong side of the road, trying to use the shoulder as it is a slow moving vehicle, and for some unknown reason, reversed his tractor.

 

I wish when I litigated auto collision cases, they had video of the accidents so that we didn't have to rely upon witness statements, vehicular damage photographs, and accident reconstruction analysis.

[colinneil]

1 minute ago, zaphod reborn said:

100% on the tractor.  The tractor is reversing and has the highest duty of care to ensure that the movement of the vehicle can be made safely.  As the tractor was encroaching on a lane of traffic, it was also being operated in the improper lane, even if its reversing action was in same direction as the flow of traffic.

 

Contrary to some of the opinions above, I see absolutely no evidence the tractor operator was engaged in any kind of road maintenance.  There are no governmental work signs, no warning signs, no road work uniforms, 

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You surely are not serious with that comment!!

If you are serious, you have no idea.

Around the country they use tractors with front blades to clear back vegetation growing out onto the road.

That is exactly what the tractor driver was doing.

Also this is Thailand, forget about safety signs etc, it just does not happen.

Pickup entering from the side road was 100% to blame for the accident, nobody else.

[metisdead]

A troll post has been removed. 

[zaphod reborn]

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

You surely are not serious with that comment!!

If you are serious, you have no idea.

Around the country they use tractors with front blades to clear back vegetation growing out onto the road.

That is exactly what the tractor driver was doing.

Also this is Thailand, forget about safety signs etc, it just does not happen.

Pickup entering from the side road was 100% to blame for the accident, nobody else.

Article says he's a farmer.  I don't see any vegetation that needs to be removed from the shoulder of the road.  FAIL!

[colinneil]

3 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said:

Article says he's a farmer.  I don't see any vegetation that needs to be removed from the shoulder of the road.  FAIL!

Watch the video again, his blade is on the ground scraping vegetation.

If you cannot see that, then i hope you are not driving on the roads.

[akirasan]

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

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Pickup entering from the side road was 100% to blame for the accident, nobody else.

Completely agree. He's done the standard Surin move at intersections which is to wait until the car on the main road is almost at the intersection then pull out right in front of them.

I see this exact same thing maneuver every time I go out on the roads.

[akirasan]

1 hour ago, NE1 said:

Road markings , flashing lights , signs ,  they think they are there for decoration.

Merely a suggestion in Thailand..

[zaphod reborn]

7 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Watch the video again, his blade is on the ground scraping vegetation.

If you cannot see that, then i hope you are not driving on the roads.

It doesn't matter.  Unless he's been engaged by the province's DLT to clear the shoulders, he enjoys no protection from his own negligence.  A freelancer do-gooder cannot be expected to follow any DLT road maintenance standards regarding road safety.

[Darkside Gray]

Tractor driver clearly in the wrong, Tractors are supposed to be in fields and farms not roads.

[colinneil]

53 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said:

It doesn't matter.  Unless he's been engaged by the province's DLT to clear the shoulders, he enjoys no protection from his own negligence.  A freelancer do-gooder cannot be expected to follow any DLT road maintenance standards regarding road safety.

 It is clear you have no idea, most orbotors hire tractors every year around this time to do exactly what that tractor driver was doing.

 The roads around our village were done 2 weeks ago.

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by colinneil

[HAKAPALITA]

Tractor driver clearly in the wrong, Tractors are supposed to be in fields and farms not roads.

Along with those other Lycra Bike Clowns ,another bunch of Me Me sod you pansies.


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[nahkit]

2 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

100% on the tractor.  The tractor is reversing and has the highest duty of care to ensure that the movement of the vehicle can be made safely.  As the tractor was encroaching on a lane of traffic, it was also being operated in the improper lane, even if its reversing action was in same direction as the flow of traffic.

 

Contrary to some of the opinions above, I see absolutely no evidence the tractor operator was engaged in any kind of road maintenance.  There are no governmental work signs, no warning signs, no road work uniforms, and he wasn't doing any roadside work.  He's a farmer operating his vehicle on the wrong side of the road, trying to use the shoulder as it is a slow moving vehicle, and for some unknown reason, reversed his tractor.

 

I wish when I litigated auto collision cases, they had video of the accidents so that we didn't have to rely upon witness statements, vehicular damage photographs, and accident reconstruction analysis.

"As the tractor was encroaching on a lane of traffic, it was also being operated in the improper lane,"

 

You don't think that the truck that hit it was in the "improper" lane then?

 

And they say two heads are better than one.

[Timebandit]

White truck driver sat there starting a very important phone call. He looked maybe 15 seconds ago and it was all clear. Equal blame on trucks. White truck for pulling infant of traffic and the covered truck for speeding.

[TGIR]

The tractor driver is the only one of the three not at least partially negligent.  He is inside the proper lane whether going backward or forward.

 

The car that hit him looks like it was speeding, but none the less, he left his lane and in doing so hit the tractor.  

 

The car entering the road from a stopped position is 100% in the wrong for driving into moving traffic, forcing the car that hit the tractor out of his lane. 

 

Finally, I am guessing so this is only a comment on regular Thai traffic, the covered truck that hit the tractor didn't seem to even slow down as he neared the intersection.  I see this on multiple occasions nearly every day.  Drivers in Thailand seem to never hit their brakes even when they can clearly see a dangerous situation in front of them......sometimes I think they speed up on purpose.

 

 

 

 

[rebo]

2 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

A freelancer do-gooder

In Thailand? Cleaning the shoulder from vegetation?
Never!!!

 

[JAZZDOG]

It took the combined 150 IQ of all three to pull off this perfectly timed brain fart. Moron #1 at the stop sign times his pull out perfectly to put the calamity in motion, 50% blame. Then instead of taking a left as intended he pulls off a runner to the right and apparently disappears. Moron #2 the young kid is going maybe 15km to fast but actually reacts pretty good and would have made it if , Moron #3, Grandpa wasn't cooning around taking up a third of the lane oblivious to what's going on around him. I give the kid 15% blame and the gramps 35%. Basically you have three people that have no business driving.

[DepDavid]

4 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

100% on the tractor.  The tractor is reversing and has the highest duty of care to ensure that the movement of the vehicle can be made safely.  As the tractor was encroaching on a lane of traffic, it was also being operated in the improper lane, even if its reversing action was in same direction as the flow of traffic.

 

Contrary to some of the opinions above, I see absolutely no evidence the tractor operator was engaged in any kind of road maintenance.  There are no governmental work signs, no warning signs, no road work uniforms, and he wasn't doing any roadside work.  He's a farmer operating his vehicle on the wrong side of the road, trying to use the shoulder as it is a slow moving vehicle, and for some unknown reason, reversed his tractor.

 

I wish when I litigated auto collision cases, they had video of the accidents so that we didn't have to rely upon witness statements, vehicular damage photographs, and accident reconstruction analysis.

Wrong. Regardless if the tractor driver decided to stand naked and do a dance on it clearly and without question the idiot in the white truck is at fault. If the silver truck was speeding and it could be proven then excessive speed would be a contributing factor not the cause. Don’t go into traffic law. 

[Kasset Tak]

4 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

100% on the tractor.  The tractor is reversing and has the highest duty of care to ensure that the movement of the vehicle can be made safely.  As the tractor was encroaching on a lane of traffic, it was also being operated in the improper lane, even if its reversing action was in same direction as the flow of traffic.

 

Contrary to some of the opinions above, I see absolutely no evidence the tractor operator was engaged in any kind of road maintenance.  There are no governmental work signs, no warning signs, no road work uniforms, and he wasn't doing any roadside work.  He's a farmer operating his vehicle on the wrong side of the road, trying to use the shoulder as it is a slow moving vehicle, and for some unknown reason, reversed his tractor.

 

I wish when I litigated auto collision cases, they had video of the accidents so that we didn't have to rely upon witness statements, vehicular damage photographs, and accident reconstruction analysis.

The pickup was CLEARLY on the WRONG SIDE of the road! If you can't see that, then I hope for all of our sake that you don't get out driving driving as you would be as bad or maybe even worse than many Thai drivers as you have so clearly stated that you don't even know on which side of the road to drive in Thailand!!!
 

[peperobi]

6 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

A STOP sign, a flashing warning light, a solid white line.

What more can you ignore?

How blind and brain dead must one be to pull out in front of the other pickup?

What is a STOP SIGN???

What is a FLASHING WARNING LIGHT???

And for what is THE SOLID WHITE LINE????

Solly??? I'm not blind...what is a BRAIN???

[bdenner]

What a lot of you have missed here is the Thai road rules stipulate one must give way to the left. Ever sat through the ever boring 1 hour video when renewing your license? Last year (my 3rd renewal) I was in a room of about 30 and the only one awake! 55555

 

Anyway if I were a judge watching this clip I'd call it "ha sip - ha sip" between the pickups. The tractor has full legal rights to be on the road, during daylight hours, no matter what he is doing (within reason --- Of course)!

Edited July 24, 2018 by bdenner

[metisdead]

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[canuckamuck]

If the oncoming truck was speeding it's his fault. If not it is the guy entering the intersections fault. The tractor is not at fault.