UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[transam]

4 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

 

I guess it depends on the meaning of "serious". Some of these computer systems are already in operation (these need a capacity upgrade), some have been in development since prior to the referendum. Our non EU trade requires customs systems, and naturally these are already in place and operational.

 

I think it was Raab who made the statement, but politicans have been known to say things for effect! The National Audit Office has been reviewing the systems readiness for a while - it's part of their Audit remit of course; last June they reported that the core Customs Declaration Service (CDS) would be ready by March 2019.

 

I don't believe May has been planning not to leave (I have no evidence for this, other than her "statements"), and her actions show clearly that she is pursuing something, but nobody seems to know what: some bizarre combination of leaving and staying it seems.

Does a poker player show the bystanders their hand...????

[SheungWan]

Taxi!

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

 

 

 

Yeh, at least he's good for a laugh...if nothing else. ????

 

Talking about laughing, can’t complain about not having enough of a good laugh every day since two years or so when reading the latest Brexit news ???? 

 

SMMT now reported domestic car sales in September went down 19%, exports 16%. Good news every day since your stroke of genius. 

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

17 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

The EU doesn’t have to persuade anyone to return. The majority of UK wants to stay in the EU. They are  being forced against their will to leave by undemocratic Brexiteers and their accomplices in politics who deny them a referendum based on the truth and facts and rather go ahead implementing a referendum result that was based on lying to the people. That’s true totalitarianism. 

 

What will happen is easy to predict:

 

Every politician who isn’t completely out of his mind understands by now that campaigning to remain in or rejoin the EU will be a guaranteed victory in the next elections. That means either existing politicians and parties would have to turnaround 180 degrees and stop their “respect the referendum result” nonsense (which in fact means to ignore the people and implement the will of a radical minority). Or we might see new politicians or even a new party emerge who will leverage this opportunity. 

 

Either way, the UK will remain or rejoin the EU, then obviously on different terms and in an even closer membership than before. We might even see the Euro in the Uk. 

 

This will be good for everyone obviously. Only the grumpy old men somewhere in Whatsoeverbury and Pattaya will keep raging but eventually  will have died. In the end, we will have to say thank you to Boris & Co for bringing the EU and the UK and the EU itself closer together than before. 

 

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Talking about laughing, can’t complain about not having enough of a good laugh every day since two years or so when reading the latest Brexit news ???? 

 

SMMT now reported domestic car sales in September went down 19%, exports 16%. Good news every day since your stroke of genius. 

 

 

17 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

 

'your stroke of genius' - oh my, judging from the above it would seem your sanity is unraveling in front of the whole of the TVF community. ????

Edited October 25, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[vinny41]

38 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Talking about laughing, can’t complain about not having enough of a good laugh every day since two years or so when reading the latest Brexit news ???? 

 

SMMT now reported domestic car sales in September went down 19%, exports 16%. Good news every day since your stroke of genius. 

Car sales down 20% because of DieselGate(VW) and loss of sales in China

 

[My Thai Life]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

This has been made even more clear if MTL is correct in saying that May or Raab have said that 'serious planning will start in November'.....

Dick, I should have said implementation rather than planning; ie to put into place plans that have already been made. This is a quote from the article

 

"Theresa May has set a date for Whitehall to trigger a series of no-deal Brexit preparations as her government faces up to the possibility that there will be no agreement with the EU about Britain’s departure."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/24/may-sets-november-date-to-trigger-no-deal-brexit-preparations

 

 

 

[My Thai Life]

"Michael Gove has unveiled legislation giving Scottish ministers "significant" new powers over the fishing industry after Brexit.

 

The Environment Secretary said the Fisheries Bill will enable the UK to control who fishes in its waters and create a "sustainable, profitable" industry.

He said leaving the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) will give the UK Government and devolved administrations the power to manage fisheries more effectively and sustainably.

Fishing leaders said the Bill was necessary to set up frameworks outside the "universally detested" CFP and urged Scottish and UK ministers to work together in "harmony" to achieve this."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/michael-gove-unveils-brexit-fisheries-bill-giving-scottish-ministers/

Edited October 25, 2018 by My Thai Life

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

 

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'your stroke of genius' - oh my, judging from the above it would seem your sanity is unraveling in front of the whole of the TVF community. ????

I find my English quite ok for not being a native speaker. And definitely less funny than Brexit ???? 

 

46 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Car sales down 20% because of DieselGate(VW) and loss of sales in China

 

...and Brexit, says the SMMT. 

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I find my English quite ok for not being a native speaker. And definitely less funny than Brexit ???? 

 

...and Brexit, says the SMMT. 

Yes but Mostly Dieselgate and China have caused the largest drop of sales all over Europe including the UK

[mommysboy]

A rain check is needed!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/25/asia-pacific-australia-us-stocks-freefall-fears-ftse-markets-global-economy-intensifies

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, transam said:

YOU have set/planned your future life up in another EU country and well before Brexit.  Yet you keep going on and on about those here who are for Brexit, but it was great you posted your Danish stuff....

Actually, I had planned to retire to Edinburgh.

 

However, the whole Brexit debate has horrified me. Awful.

 

So I intend to have a variable existence between Denmark, Thailand, Macao where my son lives, Aragon where my sister lives and Edinburgh where my roots are 

 

You can guess the itinerary by the seasons!

 

You still got a V8?

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

Well as usual you haven't adressed the question. I guess you are just trying to make your 10,001st "crap" (your words) post.

If Armalites are so desirable north of the "border" there would surely be a smuggling operation already.

 

You really don't get it do you

 

For the last 20 years there has been peace and tranquility. Brexit is going to screw that up.

 

The armalite comment was a quip, a bon mot, which took a ballistic trajectory right over your head!

 

Those sort of comments confirm you as a brexiter what ever your opinions on Brexit!

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Yes but Mostly Dieselgate and China have caused the largest drop of sales all over Europe including the UK

If when UK vehicles are subject to import duty in the EU, then there will be no point for Honda, Nissan and Toyota to remain in UK.

ALL Other major car manufacturers have indicated they will have to follow suite.......... even Dyson is building his new car in Singapore.

To maintain parts flow into the UK, they will have to allow car parts in duty free or the price of home sales will rocket.

BMW, (Mini is on a 3 day week till Christmas) Mercedes, Land rover, Nissan have all shelved UK projects because of Brexit. Ford have warned of dire consequences and GM are pulling out.....So where is the good news?

This will be mirrored in all aspects of UK commerce, finance, food, science,drugs will all shrink as a result of Brexit.

The only expanding industries will be fascism and thuggery

Edited October 25, 2018 by kwilco

[kwilco]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You really don't get it do you

 

For the last 20 years there has been peace and tranquility. Brexit is going to screw that up.

 

The armalite comment was a quip, a bon mot, which took a ballistic trajectory right over your head!

 

Those sort of comments confirm you as a brexiter what ever your opinions on Brexit!

No point in hyperbole or metaphor on a BrexIteer, all figures of speach go over their heads.....(You can almost hear the patter of tiny BrexIteer feet to Google!)

Edited October 25, 2018 by kwilco

[melvinmelvin]

11 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Actually, I had planned to retire to Edinburgh.

 

However, the whole Brexit debate has horrified me. Awful.

 

So I intend to have a variable existence between Denmark, Thailand, Macao where my son lives, Aragon where my sister lives and Edinburgh where my roots are 

 

You can guess the itinerary by the seasons!

 

You still got a V8?

 

 

 

 

no grouse

no gammel dansk

no belhaven

no red aalborg

 

in aragona

 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

 

16 minutes ago, kwilco said:

If when UK vehicles are subject to import duty in the EU, then there will be no point for Honda, Nissan and Toyota to remain in UK.

ALL Other major car manufacturers have indicated they will have to follow suite.......... even Dyson is building his new car in Singapore.

To maintain parts flow into the UK, they will have to allow car parts in duty free or the price of home sales will rocket.

BMW, (Mini is on a 3 day week till Christmas) Mercedes, Land rover, Nissan have all shelved UK projects because of Brexit. Ford have warned of dire consequences and GM are pulling out.....So where is the good news?

This will be mirrored in all aspects of UK commerce, finance, food, science,drugs will all shrink as a result of Brexit.

The only expanding industries will be fascism and thuggery

You should do well then.

Edited October 25, 2018 by nauseus
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[kwilco]

It really is beyond belief that so many people have become so collectively dimwitted that they have no idea how the UK will be strangled by Brexit.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-hauliers/with-brexit-talks-in-gridlock-british-truckers-plan-for-the-worst-idUKKCN1MZ0KZ?fbclid=IwAR02zds7BcgFUE17joq1MV56D7T1XfoumO9IoH7toDt61J0jksUxOLYspXk

[vinny41]

22 minutes ago, kwilco said:

If when UK vehicles are subject to import duty in the EU, then there will be no point for Honda, Nissan and Toyota to remain in UK.

ALL Other major car manufacturers have indicated they will have to follow suite.......... even Dyson is building his new car in Singapore.

To maintain parts flow into the UK, they will have to allow car parts in duty free or the price of home sales will rocket.

BMW, (Mini is on a 3 day week till Christmas) Mercedes, Land rover, Nissan have all shelved UK projects because of Brexit. Ford have warned of dire consequences and GM are pulling out.....So where is the good news?

This will be mirrored in all aspects of UK commerce, finance, food, science,drugs will all shrink as a result of Brexit.

The only expanding industries will be fascism and thuggery

Suggest you do a search on this topic for mini you will find the mini factory is not on a 3 day week until xmas its a jaguar landrover plant and that is due to lack of demand for diesel engine cars and drop off of orders from China

As for Ford do you know how many vehicles Ford builds in the UK  its ZERO

[RuamRudy]

38 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Actually, I had planned to retire to Edinburgh.

 

However, the whole Brexit debate has horrified me. Awful.

 

So I intend to have a variable existence between Denmark, Thailand, Macao where my son lives, Aragon where my sister lives and Edinburgh where my roots are 

 

You can guess the itinerary by the seasons!

 

You still got a V8?

Don't give up on an independent Scotland - it is closer than ever. 

[Stupooey]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As for Ford do you know how many vehicles Ford builds in the UK  its ZERO

 

How about Ford engines? Soon to be ZERO. Unless....

 

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

 

How about Ford engines? Soon to be ZERO. Unless....

 

Ford engines are built here but no cars since 2002 import duties are a 2 way thing if EU slaps 10% import duty on the UK the UK will slap a 10% import duty of the EU 

the EU countries represent 82% of the UK’s motor vehicle import volume, worth €38 billion. 

The Green Party will be happy

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Ford engines are built here but no cars since 2002 import duties are a 2 way thing if EU slaps 10% import duty on the UK the UK will slap a 10% import duty of the EU 

the EU countries represent 82% of the UK’s motor vehicle import volume, worth €38 billion. 

The Green Party will be happy

According to WTO rules, if the UK slaps a 10% tariff on autos manufactured in the EU, then it's obliged to do the same for all autos except those from nations or trade blocs with which it has a trade agreement or treaty.

[damascase]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

According to WTO rules, if the UK slaps a 10% tariff on autos manufactured in the EU, then it's obliged to do the same for all autos except those from nations or trade blocs with which it has a trade agreement or treaty.

Indeed, this is governed by the so-called Most Favoured Nation clause regarding trade between WTO Members.

Edited October 25, 2018 by damascase

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

According to WTO rules, if the UK slaps a 10% tariff on autos manufactured in the EU, then it's obliged to do the same for all autos except those from nations or trade blocs with which it has a trade agreement or treaty.

Interesting that some EU autotomotive  manufacturers with no  current British operations may to forced to move some if their production plants to  the UK to avoid tariffs

The best solution is no tariffs on both sides but no hidden requirements UK exports car to the EU and the EU exports cars to the UK 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

 

 

 

no grouse

no gammel dansk

no belhaven

no red aalborg

 

in aragona

 

 

 

 

You are clearly a man of great taste and sophistication!

[melvinmelvin]

52 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Don't give up on an independent Scotland - it is closer than ever. 

yes,

and Scotland would be back in EU swifty - would suit Grouse

 

[bristolboy]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Interesting that some EU autotomotive  manufacturers with no  current British operations may to forced to move some if their production plants to  the UK to avoid tariffs

The best solution is no tariffs on both sides but no hidden requirements UK exports car to the EU and the EU exports cars to the UK 

The problem is that it's not that sample. Integrated supply lines means that parts are made all over the EU. I doubt it would make economic sense for all or most of an automobile to be made from scratch in the UK and sold only or primarily in the UK.

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Taxi!

Where have you been? We missed your sardonic wit and incisive comments

[Grouse]

23 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

yes,

and Scotland would be back in EU swifty - would suit Grouse

 

It would indeed!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

If when UK vehicles are subject to import duty in the EU, then there will be no point for Honda, Nissan and Toyota to remain in UK.

ALL Other major car manufacturers have indicated they will have to follow suite.......... even Dyson is building his new car in Singapore.

To maintain parts flow into the UK, they will have to allow car parts in duty free or the price of home sales will rocket.

BMW, (Mini is on a 3 day week till Christmas) Mercedes, Land rover, Nissan have all shelved UK projects because of Brexit. Ford have warned of dire consequences and GM are pulling out.....So where is the good news?

This will be mirrored in all aspects of UK commerce, finance, food, science,drugs will all shrink as a result of Brexit.

The only expanding industries will be fascism and thuggery

The good news depends on one's viewpoint. Finland just got a deal for one lithium battery factories. We also have history of car manufacturing. 

 

I think the good news is that as EU members, we can save a lot of car manufacturing within the EU borders and don't let it all slide away to Asia.

 

Good news for UK? Well, sorry for you folks.