UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 I was only 15 and so obviously didn't vote.

 

And quite rightly.  Those with no experience of life (other than at school/college/university) know nothing about 'real life'.

Indeed wise words.

[Guest]

Brexit is just a fanfare of the Ruskies who celebrate of the dismantlement of the western unity.

 

Nothing more, nothing less than a Putin quickie. 

[Patriot1066]

1 minute ago, oilinki said:

Brexit is just a fanfare of the Ruskies who celebrate of the dismantlement of the western unity.

 

Nothing more, nothing less than a Putin quickie. 

Nope not really we have NATO for that, to tackle Russia, the EU doesn’t have an effective fighting force only the UK and France have with Poland and the Baltic states doing their best on limited budgets.

 

We were told the EU had no intention of forming an army by our political elite sadly lies! 

 

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/news/71123/nick-clegg-eu-army-dangerous-fantasy

 

Now they wonder why we don’t trust them. They lie!!

 

[mommysboy]

24 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

 

Interesting Robinson was never a member of the BNP you can check as their website was illegally hacked and the member list is still on the Internet He’s not on it.

 

The EDL has many ethnic minority members including A Jewish section, so hardly a chance of links to the BNP.

 

As to my loyalties your trolly comment I will reiterate the truth below:

 

The EDL were started to give a voice away from the left and politically correct police and establishment who allowed our brave returning troops to be spat on and abused.

 

The same left that condemned anyone patriotic who complained about abuse of young white children calling them racist. The same establishment that allowed 1000s of white girls to be trafficked, raped and abused over years despite knowing. Therefore turning a blind eye to abuse due to cultural sensitivity and good ‘ community relations’

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-45918845

 

So please don’t lecture me on liberal love and kindness then make lies up about Tommy, when he is a hero to much of the working class. The political class ignore the needs of the working class and line their own pockets.

 

Another reason to leave the EU. Your attitude on Tommy that say anyone apposing immigration or supporting our troops is far right just drives our ambition to get out of the EU and control our borders (just I am on topic!)

 

 

I fully support the establishment of a real English Nationalist Party. 

 

Socialists have a mainstream party already that is able to air its beliefs, whereas the English Nationalists can not air their views unless under the skirts of the Tory Party, or in league with thugs.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Patriot1066 said:

Nope not really we have NATO for that, to tackle Russia, the EU doesn’t have an effective fighting force only the UK and France have with Poland and the Baltic states doing their best on limited budgets.

 

We were told the EU had no intention of forming an army by our political elite sadly lies! 

 

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/news/71123/nick-clegg-eu-army-dangerous-fantasy

 

Now they wonder why we don’t trust them. They lie!!

 

Meanwhile there is Trump who is actively dismantling NATO co-operation. 

 

These things don't come accidentally. These are paid actions. Both Brexit and Trump as the president of the main NATO country.

 

I guess it's good to be the one, who can buy few economies with few million dollars. 

[kwilco]

The similarities or even links between Brexitism and Naziism although pretty obvious from the start are getting clearer every day as the hard right bigots are emboldened by the ever increasing racism and nationalism of their leaders

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-prejudice-scientists-link-foreigners-immigrants-racism-xenophobia-leave-eu-a8078586.html?fbclid=IwAR0-_lxaoJpN0925gy3CoAHULy5FuJ9PcUI0L_yjq_NO36FcthaeBIhk47Q

[kwilco]

44 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Interesting Robinson was never a member of the BNP you can check as their website was illegally hacked and the member list is still on the Internet He’s not on it.

That's because he's changed his name!

[mogandave]

Meanwhile there is Trump who is actively dismantling NATO co-operation. 
 
These things don't come accidentally. These are paid actions. Both Brexit and Trump as the president of the main NATO country.
 
I guess it's good to be the one, who can buy few economies with few million dollars. 

Dismantling NATO how?

(I’ll hold my breath waiting for your response)

[mogandave]

The similarities or even links between Brexitism and Naziism although pretty obvious from the start are getting clearer every day as the hard right bigots are emboldened by the ever increasing racism and nationalism of their leaders
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-prejudice-scientists-link-foreigners-immigrants-racism-xenophobia-leave-eu-a8078586.html?fbclid=IwAR0-_lxaoJpN0925gy3CoAHULy5FuJ9PcUI0L_yjq_NO36FcthaeBIhk47Q

Yes, if you don’t want your own culture and lifestyle destroyed in the name of love and tolerance you’re a xenophobe.

Should not people immigrating to Briton become Britons?

[mommysboy]

52 minutes ago, kwilco said:

That's because he's changed his name!

Robinson has used numerous names. Difficult to describe this character as anything other than a troubled, young man. He's had numerous run ins with law for violent offences, sometimes nothing to do with politics, and was found guilty of serious fraud. He's a celebrity villain really with a social conscience.  Having come from a working class housing estate myself, I understand the appeal of this man to others who have not had the 'privileged' background I had.

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

That's because he's changed his name!

Nope no names used are on the list.

 

 

[Patriot1066]

58 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Yes, if you don’t want your own culture and lifestyle destroyed in the name of love and tolerance you’re a xenophobe.

Should not people immigrating to Briton become Britons?

 

Many 'new Britain's' despise our country, its past, democracy and tolerance for gender and sexuality. However the liberal elite seem to reduce at this cultural change even though it is against all their supposed values?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5796747/David-Jones-goes-inside-Britains-secretive-sharia-courts-special-report.html

 

We need to control better who comes in and are unable to do under the Stalinist EU

[Patriot1066]

12 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Robinson has used numerous names. Difficult to describe this character as anything other than a troubled, young man. He's had numerous run ins with law for violent offences, sometimes nothing to do with politics, and was found guilty of serious fraud. He's a celebrity villain really with a social conscience.  Having come from a working class housing estate myself, I understand the appeal of this man to others who have not had the 'privileged' background I had.

The authorities have ruthlessly persecuted him making him a bigger hero every time!

 

But this is about Brexit not the hero Tommy Robinson!

 

So I am on the thread I best mention Brexit.

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

Dismantling NATO how?

(I’ll hold my breath waiting for your response)

 

No he was strengthening NATO by asking all members to cough up their fair share?

 

Interesting how the left try to batter Trump, but expect America to protect them.

 

The EU does not have an effective fighting force and god forbid they actually get one as it will be effectively run by the EU commission (EU Government). We may as well all each get a white flag ready to wave as soon as they need to act (Or cant decide how to react).

 

In fact it is the EU who want to be a world military power that are weakening NATO that has kept the peace since the Germans last tried to take over (O they are now aren't they as control much of what the EU does?)

[Orac]

Nope no names used are on the list.
 
 

So why did he admit being in the BNP to Andrew Neil when he interviewed him on Sunday Politics a few years back - mind you he could have been lying about that as well.


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[damascase]

51 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

No he was strengthening NATO by asking all members to cough up their fair share?

 

Interesting how the left try to batter Trump, but expect America to protect them.

 

The EU does not have an effective fighting force and god forbid they actually get one as it will be effectively run by the EU commission (EU Government). We may as well all each get a white flag ready to wave as soon as they need to act (Or cant decide how to react).

 

In fact it is the EU who want to be a world military power that are weakening NATO that has kept the peace since the Germans last tried to take over (O they are now aren't they as control much of what the EU does?)

You still have no clue about the EU - or you are consistently and consciously spreading misinformation about it. You want to get out? No problem, but don’t continue to spread lies. 

Edited November 12, 2018 by damascase

[3NUMBAS]

best of 5 refs till they get the right result that suits em ,,under no circumstances will there be another ref says may

[Grouse]

10 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

best of 5 refs till they get the right result that suits em ,,under no circumstances will there be another ref says may

If there is a referendum result to remain, that will be the end of it. No government will ever ask the opinion of the masses again. Ever.

[soleddy]

Grouse has a good point. If we want to leave in 20 years, it will be far too late and we will have the Euro and straight bananas anyway. BUT we will have slapped the face of democracy, and the "people" are not to be trusted.  Something straight out of Eric Blair.

[welovesundaysatspace]

30 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

best of 5 refs till they get the right result that suits em ,,under no circumstances will there be another ref says may

To be fair, at the moment it’s the Brexiteers who refuse anything but vote until get the right result that suits them. 

[mogandave]

I could go on if you wish

I would like that very much. Please go on.

[bomber]

10 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

To be fair, at the moment it’s the Brexiteers who refuse anything but vote until get the right result that suits them. 

if the EU cannot agree with a remainer like May they wouldnt be able to agree even a time place and destination for talks with the brexiteers

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, damascase said:

You still have no clue about the EU - or you are consistently and consciously spreading misinformation about it. You want to get out? No problem, but don’t continue to spread lies. 

What lies are they?

[adammike]

6 hours ago, mommysboy said:

I fully support the establishment of a real English Nationalist Party. 

 

Socialists have a mainstream party already that is able to air its beliefs, whereas the English Nationalists can not air their views unless under the skirts of the Tory Party, or in league with thugs.

Does that mean you want an English independent party?

[melvinmelvin]

53 minutes ago, adammike said:

Does that mean you want an English independent party?

 

steeplechase, who will be the first to reach independence, SNP or ENP?

 

 

[Patriot1066]

18 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

steeplechase, who will be the first to reach independence, SNP or ENP?

 

 

Hopefully the SNP.

 

With a hard border!

[Patriot1066]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

What lies are they?

None it's a remainer rant, they don't seem to like the truth about their beloved leader citizen Tusk.

[vinny41]

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

The similarities or even links between Brexitism and Naziism although pretty obvious from the start are getting clearer every day as the hard right bigots are emboldened by the ever increasing racism and nationalism of their leaders

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-prejudice-scientists-link-foreigners-immigrants-racism-xenophobia-leave-eu-a8078586.html?fbclid=IwAR0-_lxaoJpN0925gy3CoAHULy5FuJ9PcUI0L_yjq_NO36FcthaeBIhk47Q

'Look for RAMPANT RACIAL war' in Europe, claims ex Human Rights Commission chair

FORMER Human Rights Commission chairman Trevor Phillips trashed claims suggesting Brexit caused hate crime rates to rocket, suggesting supporters of "rampant racial war" theories should turn to Europe.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1039103/Brexit-news-Trevor-Phillips-Human-Rights-Commission-hate-crime-EU-migration-policy-latest

[vinny41]

18 hours ago, kwilco said:

Just as Hitler hoodwinked the German electorate so too with the UK, ultra-right are trying to seize power.

 

This is illustrated by the extremely disturbing posts here extolling the virtues of Enoch Powell etc the publicity for T .Robinson or whatever his name is.....

 

Just as Hitler had to be resisted then, so now does the hard right and Brexit.

It needs to be stamped out before it goes too far.

How are planning to stamped them out

I noticed you are a fan of ThyssenKrupp and no doubt you are aware thay used 75,000 slave labourers 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663635/Revealed-How-Nazis-helped-German-companies-Bosch-Mercedes-Deutsche-Bank-VW-VERY-rich-using-slave-labor.html

And No Doubt for anyone that refuses to take part would be sent to  something like Auschwitz concentration camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

[kwilco]

Here is the current Benn take on Brexit......

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/hilary-benn-on-bbc-politics-live-with-grant-shapps-1-5775667?fbclid=IwAR1PGSHkSuuJ9ZbzhU7LaRH9LVcbFMl4ZjTcfFeB9MfHCGlXgM2OjlnJF2U