Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

It really wasnt , some people were offended/outraged , some others were not offended/outraged .

As there has been no survey of peoples opinions , no one can say what the opinion of the majority is .

It was an impression underscored by foreign outrage about an Australian cartoonist's depiction of a fat-lipped and masculine Williams, and the collective shrug it prompted Down Under.

 

After the drawing was published, a CNN opinion piece described Australia as "the nicest racist country you will ever see" and the New York Times thundered that "Australia has never fully confronted its own history of racism." Many Australians admit there is a problem.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/serena-cartoon-fuels-debate-about-racist-australia

 

I think you can safely assume that outside of Australia in the non racist community the cartoon was deemed horrible. 

[AboutThaim]

12 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The overwhelming response to the racist cartoon was one of outrage.  You can google that. 

I can almost guarantee that the overwhelming response is "couldn't care less" but then what tabloid is going to print that? How can we find out for sure? The same people would look at a survey and couldn't be bothered answering.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I was expecting you to give an explanation .

Not my fault your education system failed. 

[marcusarelus]

Just now, AboutThaim said:

I can almost guarantee that the overwhelming response is "couldn't care less" but then what tabloid is going to print that? How can we find out for sure? The same people would look at a survey and couldn't be bothered answering.

The problem was not so much the cartoon but the defense of the cartoon that tripped everyone trigger outside of Australia. 

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

Not my fault your education system failed. 

Elitist bigot. And believe me, your education system has failed you badly. I could quote many examples but I'm not a spelling/grammar Nazi.

[DrTuner]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

The problem was not so much the cartoon but the defense of the cartoon that tripped everyone trigger outside of Australia. 

Yeah I noticed that

 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

It was an impression underscored by foreign outrage about an Australian cartoonist's depiction of a fat-lipped and masculine Williams, and the collective shrug it prompted Down Under.

After the drawing was published, a CNN opinion piece described Australia as "the nicest racist country you will ever see" and the New York Times thundered that "Australia has never fully confronted its own history of racism." Many Australians admit there is a problem.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/serena-cartoon-fuels-debate-about-racist-australia

I think you can safely assume that outside of Australia in the non racist community the cartoon was deemed horrible. 

You are stating that anyone who didnt find the cartoon to be racist , IS a racist .

I do think that everyone should be treated the same .

I think that ALL people should either have caricatures made of them or ALL of them shouldnt .

You are saying that people should be treated differently according to their race .

Some people should have caricatures made of them and some shouldnt , depending on their race .

Treating people differently depending on their race , IS the definition of racism .

   Your opinion is racist , although some will call it "positive racism"

[AboutThaim]

7 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The problem was not so much the cartoon but the defense of the cartoon that tripped everyone trigger outside of Australia. 

Everyone outside of Australia?

You have been busy, you polled the world!! Except Australia?

I tried to get into Mrs Bergman's grade 7 class but was rejected because ........ Who cares!!

[marcusarelus]

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Elitist bigot. And believe me, your education system has failed you badly. I could quote many examples but I'm not a spelling/grammar Nazi.

The question was, " Who are a "protected minority" and why are they "protected" and in which way"  Do you honestly think that is a question any person with more than an 8th grade education would not know the answer to?

[marcusarelus]

3 minutes ago, AboutThaim said:

Everyone outside of Australia?

You have been busy, you polled the world!! Except Australia?

The media I have been linking did many times.  The big question they were trying to answer is why does Australia have a different opinion about this than the rest of the world. 

[marcusarelus]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You are stating that anyone who didn't find the cartoon to be racist , IS a racist .

I do think that everyone should be treated the same .

I think that ALL people should either have caricatures made of them or ALL of them shouldnt .

You are saying that people should be treated differently according to their race .

Some people should have caricatures made of them and some shouldnt , depending on their race .

Treating people differently depending on their race , IS the definition of racism .

   Your opinion is racist , although some will call it "positive racism"

No, not positive racism.   It is called Affirmative action, also known as reservation in India and Nepal, positive action in the UK, and employment equity (in a narrower context) in Canada and South Africa, is the policy of promoting the education and employment of members of groups that are known to have previously suffered from discrimination. Historically and internationally, support for affirmative action has sought to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, promoting diversity, and redressing apparent past wrongs, harms, or hindrances.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

 

This is stuff that most schools cover in early grades.

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

The question was, " Who are a "protected minority" and why are they "protected" and in which way"  Do you honestly think that is a question any person with more than an 8th grade education would not know the answer to?

The concept of "protected minority" didn't exist in my school days. Doubt that it does now, in the UK.

Wholly inappropriate to belittle someone for not being aware of a concept that isn't universally recognised.

[billd766]

18 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The problem was not so much the cartoon but the defense of the cartoon that tripped everyone trigger outside of Australia. 

 

I wish you could understand and comprehend the English language.

 

Everyone's trigger was NOT tripped outside of Australia.

 

Does your comment mean every single person in the world including the billions in China and India and the hundreds of millions of people in the other 1xx countries of the world?

 

Or just a few thousands of people who think like you?

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/everyone

 

pronoun

every person; everybody.

 

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/everyone

 

When everyone is a subject, it is used with a singular verb.

In formal writing, a pronoun or possessive adjective that refers to everyone is usually singular:

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The question was, " Who are a "protected minority" and why are they "protected" and in which way"  Do you honestly think that is a question any person with more than an 8th grade education would not know the answer to?

I was asking for your personal opinion , rather than what you learnt in school .

Your "personal opinion" seems to be based on what others think and say

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

positive action in the UK, 

Positive discrimination, in the UK. A not universally popular concept.

[marcusarelus]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I was asking for your personal opinion , rather than what you learnt in school .

Your "personal opinion" seems to be based on what others think and say

No you weren't.  You asked " Who are a "protected minority" and why are they "protected" and in which way"  

 

What I think about is irrelevant.  The law determines whom a protected minority is and why and how they are protected not my opinion.

[marcusarelus]

5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Positive discrimination, in the UK. A not universally popular concept.

My point is you know what it is.  I know what it is.  My children who were educated in 4 different countries know what it is. 

 

Are you really asking me to believe there are people in the world who don't know what a protected minority is and why?

 

My ex wife is an ignorant, redneck, racist from Arkansas who flies a Confederate flag from her porch and refers to black people by the N word.   Even she knows what a protected minority is and why. 

 

How could anyone in this day and age not know?

 

 

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No you weren't.  You asked " Who are a "protected minority" and why are they "protected" and in which way"  

 

What I think about is irrelevant.  The law determines whom a protected minority is and why and how they are protected not my opinion.

There are different laws for different races ?

Could you state those laws that protect one group and not another ?

Caucasians are a minority in the World

[marcusarelus]

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

There are different laws for different races ?

Could you state those laws that protect one group and not another ?

Caucasians are a minority in the World

No. Gee I hope you didn't go to school in Australia.  If you did it throws a whole new light on this thread and our discussion. 

 

I did give you a link before.  Apparently you can't google or read. 

 

Google laws for protected minority. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

 

 

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

My point is you know what it is.  I know what it is.  My children who were educated in 4 different countries know what it is. 

 

Are you really asking me to believe there are people in the world who don't know what a protected minority is and why?

 

My ex wife is an ignorant, redneck, racist from Arkansas who flies a Confederate flag from her porch and refers to black people by the N word.   Even she knows what a protected minority is and why. 

 

How could anyone in this day and age not know?

 

 

I can only assume that it's a term exclusive to the States. Minority, as in ethnic minority, religious minority etc. yes, protected minority, not in my experience and I too have lived in several countries and travelled to many more.

 

Which is why most people don't know what a "protected minority" is.

[HAKAPALITA]

Many of these posts are from Teachers by the times n tone of them.

[HAKAPALITA]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

I can only assume that it's a term exclusive to the States. Minority, as in ethnic minority, religious minority etc. yes, protected minority, not in my experience and I too have lived in several countries and travelled to many more.

 

Which is why most people don't know what a "protected minority" is.

Politicians and Whales seem to be the prime example, i guess, never heard either

[sanemax]

8 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

My point is you know what it is.  I know what it is.  My children who were educated in 4 different countries know what it is. 

Are you really asking me to believe there are people in the world who don't know what a protected minority is and why?

My ex wife is an ignorant, redneck, racist from Arkansas who flies a Confederate flag from her porch and refers to black people by the N word.   Even she knows what a protected minority is and why. 

How could anyone in this day and age not know?

There are laws and rules to protect from discrimination .

But those rules and laws do not extend to tennis players and cartoons about them .

[Spidey]

9 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

My ex wife is an ignorant, redneck, racist from Arkansas who flies a Confederate flag from her porch and refers to black people by the N word.

Well if she's black and living in the USA, it's not a problem for her to refer to black people by the "N" word.

 

Another example of the ridiculously skewed concept of racism in the USA.

[marcusarelus]

Just now, sanemax said:

There are laws and rules to protect from discrimination .

But those rules and laws do not extend to tennis players and cartoons about them .

Who said they did?

[sanemax]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

Who said they did?

That is what this topic is about .

If you are not suggesting that Serena should be/is protected , then thats off topic and irrelevant to the subject of the O.P.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Well if she's black and living in the USA, it's not a problem for her to refer to black people by the "N" word.

 

Another example of the ridiculously skewed concept of racism in the USA.

Who said she was black?

[marcusarelus]

Just now, sanemax said:

That is what this topic is about .

If you are not suggesting that Serena should be/is protected , then thats off topic and irrelevant to the subject of the O.P.

No I didn't. I don't think anyone is. 

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

Who said she was black?

I said "if". Your educational system letting your reading ability down again?

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

No I didn't. I don't think anyone is. 

Do get back on topic then .

Read the OP and start again