Damaged roof

[cmsally]

You mention the landlord and the owner. Is it a possibility the "landlord" is not communicating with the owner (assuming they are 2 different people).

[worgeordie]

On 12/14/2018 at 4:14 PM, KevinboyCM said:

I have spent 40k in upgrading the house as well as at least a 1000 man hours the last year in fixing up the house

I wish I could find tenants like you,I was brought up in business where

the customer was always right,even if they weren't,where keeping your 

customers happy was a priority,without them you would have no business,

so as soon as my tenants have a problem I fix it,as it's going to need doing 

anyway,if they are happy I am happy,that does not seem to be the Thai way

of running a business,where the mantra seems to be take it or leave it.

 

Send the landlord a letter by EMS,saying that you are pruning HER tree

as its damaging HER house and YOUR belongings and you will be deducting

the cost from your rent,  Good luck     Don't do it without advising her as you could be sued for damaging

regards Worgeordie                             her tree.

                                                         

[robblok]

12 hours ago, KevinboyCM said:

 

Some folks have principles and some don't. And just because I am fortunate enough to have retired at 50 doesn't mean I like getting ripped off or cheated. Some people are losers and they have to accept getting flucked over here. I signed a lease. I have honored it. I expect to honor it. I have invested a lot of money to upgrade the place. I did it yes for my enjoyment but any astute owner would surely appreciate a renter who pays his rent on time and makes an investment with his own money and keeps the place looking nice one would think.  If Thais are so worried about saving 'face' why do they rip off the foreigners so much?  I am not a newbie. Been here over 15 yrs but never rented a house.  I get the nickle dime crap. I get they never show up on time or even at all. I get they overcharge you. I get all that. I don't get not wanting to protect your house. Beyond my comprehension.  

 

So if the tree falls on the house and destroys the whole roof I am expected to repair it?  And if I moved out wouldn't I be breaking the lease?  Gee, do you think they would give me my deposit back?  Anyway, like I said nothing to do tonight. So wasting my time here. Why, I don't know. I wish everyone would stop responding. lol But it is just my nature to respond to witless posts. 

 

Yeah and as stated have taken many logic classes and done a lot of debating. I doubt any universities here have a debate club as logic does not appear to be anywhere in sight in the Land of S.

I think your enjoying to stir things up every time you get close to accepting how it is you slur out some insults and make up some things about Thais to get others to post again.

 

Have fun reading your own posts your not worth it. 

 

You go all over the place from being rich to finding 40k baht a lot of money.. your not believable anymore. 

[KevinboyCM]

14 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

I wish I could find tenants like you,I was brought up in business where

the customer was always right,even if they weren't,where keeping your 

customers happy was a priority,without them you would have no business,

so as soon as my tenants have a problem I fix it,as it's going to need doing 

anyway,if they are happy I am happy,that does not seem to be the Thai way

of running a business,where the mantra seems to be take it or leave it.

 

Send the landlord a letter by EMS,saying that you are pruning HER tree

as its damaging HER house and YOUR belongings and you will be deducting

the cost from your rent,  Good luck     Don't do it without advising her as you could be sued for damaging

regards Worgeordie                             her tree.

                                                         

Well, at least one person here gets it. Yeah, if I had tenants like me I would have bought an apt complex.  The before me did nothing to fix the house.  I spent three days just hosing down and scrubbing the whole inside of the damn house.  So anyway, the tree is pruned. 1500 baht. The roof guy just left. Gonna be 3000 more to fix the roof. Could have been worse.  And of course that assumes the guy who fixes it know <deleted> he is doing. Wouldn't surprise me a week later after next rain it leaks somewhere else. Craftsmanship here is not the best.  So who knows. I'm probably gonna have him throw a tarp over the whole roof after he adds the slabs. Another 3k for a huge tarp so now up to 7500 baht. So 4500 and all the stress. Some genius' here will say 4500 a drop in the bucket. Not the point at all.  So clearly no lawsuit over 4500.

[Rimmer]

Some troll/baiting/flame posts have been removed, more of the same will get that person a holiday.

[KevinboyCM]

13 hours ago, robblok said:

I have had a Thai friend go through court she is highly educated and the time it consumed and in the end the outcome was not desirable while it looked good at the onset. You will also have to have a translator and such and English speaking lawyers are not cheap. What can happen is the owner wont show, they can do that multiple days and that just means you lose time and lawyer cost. 

Even if you win who says they will have to pay your cost too or that the owner cant kick you out as the judge sees the situation as unlivable ? 

 

Are you willing to risk all the adverse outcomes and costs just to get your feeling of justice ? If so by all means do so but it will be stressful.

 

Personally I would fix the roof but you have to understand the more money you sink in here the more you can't go back later. (as you sunk in more money). You could also look for a new home and find yourself in the same situation. There are no guarantees here and that just sucks but that is the way how it is.

 

I have given up expecting justice here (even back home courts take forever and justice is not guaranteed). I just roll with it and not stress too much about stuff. 

 

Thai courts are not worthless you can win but in this case i doubt it is worth it.

Ok, so yeah I get it.  No point in going to court over this matter with amount involved. Trust me, I didn't need all the posters to point any of that out to me. lol.   I may not be as bright as all the posters here but an idiot I am not. So, the ONLY left to decide is whether or not to deduct the cost from my rent. A well respected poster (W) suggests I do just that. So what happens if I do it? What are the legal ramifications. I know the owner will not be happy if I do it although the first time I did it I did deduct the cost with no problem.  What does the law say? Can she lock me out? Can she steal my stuff? Can she hire a hitman? I was hoping to hear from someone who had the same type problem but so far have not.

[rvaviator]

After 7 pages. I am starting to think his 'roof' is the underside of a bridge.

Maybe one to far ?


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[Lacessit]

The OP signed a three year lease. That says it all.

[KevinboyCM]

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The OP signed a three year lease. That says it all.

Yes, I signed a 3 year lease that was requested of me. I would have signed a five year lease. I like the area and I am a wildlife photog so I was fine with it. Your point is what?

 

As someone else mentioned a lease here is meaningless which I already knew. I can walk whenever I like. 

[KevinboyCM]

Ok so bottom line:  12 pieces of roofing needed in 12 different areas. Size is about 2.5 ft by 4 ft.  The entire crown of the house as well as the entire crown of the kitchen needed to be fixed.  After that they suggested tarping the roof

 

Costs:

 

Tree cutting: 2000 baht

Roofing      : 2200 baht

Tarps          :3000 baht

 

So total 7200 baht

 

And I just want to say to the genius who said it was not an emergency you were 100% correct. Another hard rain and maybe major flooding in 12 different (maybe more) area of the house. No big deal at all. lol And of course as he suggested just move everything to another spot. Yeah like the king bed would be easy to move.  So for 7200 definitely will make a phone call to an attorney. Probably useless but getting ripped for 7200 plus the stress I'm kinda pissed.  If this is what Thai culture is all about they can keep it. Not my house.  

 

Totally negligent and stupid on her part. The landlord was worthless. Didn't bother to contact me for 4 days and no help at all. Amazing Thailand.

Edited December 17, 2018 by KevinboyCM

[Bill97]

Reads like you settled in the wrong country mon ami...[emoji848]...

+1


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[NancyL]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm having fun with this thread.  I can't believe someone getting so cranked about 7200 baht for roof repair.  Heck, we redid the roof on our heritage barn in the U.S. for a mere $60,000.  We did get a nice plaque from National Geographic when it was featured in their "Barns Alive" story, however.

[KevinboyCM]

How about this.  For those of you who know what a lease agreement is and what it means let me ask you this logically.  My lease agreement states I am responsible for monthly fees of water and electric, wifi and TV. NOTHING ELSE.  Nowhere does it say I am responsible for any repairs.  So why is it I am the bad here for not wanting to pay for the flucking roof repair?  
As previously stated I invested 40K of my own money to upgrade the house. I did not bitch about it. Even after I offered to paint the house for free is she supplied the paint and she said no I did it anyway. Didn't ask for a penny.

 

If I am responsible for repairs why is it not stated in the lease agreement? The rental amount is stated. The duration is stated. So?

 

So, maybe someone here with a brain can explain to me how it is with nothing in the lease (which for those clueless folks a lease stipulates what I am responsible for) why it is I am expected to rebuild her house?  Try answering the question and stay on point if anyone can.  

Edited December 17, 2018 by KevinboyCM

[CharlieH]

21 minutes ago, KevinboyCM said:

How about this.  For those of you who know what a lease agreement is and what it means let me ask you this logically.  My lease agreement states I am responsible for monthly fees of water and electric, wifi and TV. NOTHING ELSE.  Nowhere does it say I am responsible for any repairs.  So why is it I am the bad here for not wanting to pay for the flucking roof repair?  
As previously stated I invested 40K of my own money to upgrade the house. I did not bitch about it. Even after I offered to paint the house for free is she supplied the paint and she said no I did it anyway. Didn't ask for a penny.

 

If I am responsible for repairs why is it not stated in the lease agreement? The rental amount is stated. The duration is stated. So?

 

So, maybe someone here with a brain can explain to me how it is with nothing in the lease (which for those clueless folks a lease stipulates what I am responsible for) why it is I am expected to rebuild her house?  Try answering the question and stay on point if anyone can.  

I havnt read the entire thread.

 

If you are renting, the problem with the roof was not of your making. You are not responsible for it or any repairs to it. The owner is. End of story.

 

However, getting it resolved is often a whole different topic.

[KevinboyCM]

3 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

I havnt read the entire thread.

 

If you are renting, the problem with the roof was not of your making. You are not responsible for it or antmy repairs to ot. The owner is. End of story.

However, getting ot resolved is whole different topic.

Thanks. I agree with you. However, for some nutty reason (Thai culture I hear) most of the posters disagree with both of us. And not only that it was a disaster in the making.  Over twelve areas damaged.  Entire crown redone on both house and kitchen (off the house).  Had to throw tarps on top for extra protection.

Edited December 17, 2018 by KevinboyCM

[NancyL]

6 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

I havnt read the entire thread.

 

If you are renting, the problem with the roof was not of your making. You are not responsible for it or any repairs to it. The owner is. End of story.

However, getting it resolved is often a whole different topic.

Read the entire thread.  It's entertaining.

[Rimmer]

An off topic post about bridges and a reply have been removed,

[KevinboyCM]

I am stunned not one apologists has been able to explain to me where in my lease it says I have to pay for repairs or where in the law it says a renter is responsible to repair the owner's roof. Or for that matter what is this "Thai culture bs".  What book about Thai culture says the foreigner has to pay to rebuild someone's house he is renting?  And to all those genius' out there who said I should just move how do I do that if it kept raining all night or next couple of nights with rain maybe coming in half a dozen or a dozen damaged roof areas?  

 

How can it not be the responsibility of the manager or landlord or owner in an emergency ( clearly there was one) not to even bother to respond or get help?  Doesn't say much for the landlord or the owner or the culture if in fact their culture endorses that attitude.  It's pathetic.

[rumak]

2 hours ago, KevinboyCM said:

2 hours ago, NancyL said:

Read the entire thread.  It's entertaining.

That it is including the irrelevant barn post.

i agree with you Nancy........but those of us that got tired of the show have followed Elvis and left the building.  Once in a while when bored I check in to read the latest form of "stupid, idiotic, haven't a clue,

etc"  being thrown at the posters.  He has already said he is bored and this gives him entertainment.

Keep feeding him if you want ...lol

[KevinboyCM]

51 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

Maybe a silly question- but does it specifically say in the lease agreement that the owner is responsible for structural damage ?


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not a silly question. answer: it does not so where does that leave us?  But how many farongs here would allow their home to be destroyed by water damage if they could stop it? Sounds like none so far. lol Where I come from that is STUPID. 

 

I just don't understand why anyone would condone criminal negligent behavior which is what it is here. The owner may not care about her house but I would think she has a responsibility to protect the renter's possessions. Maybe  not. If Thai culture says they can be irresponsible and negligent and not at all helpful in an emergency so be it I guess.

Edited December 17, 2018 by KevinboyCM

[CharlieH]

Many posts removed for a variety of reasons.

 

Having read through the entire thread, OP you sre assuming the owner should care about the property, BUT from your description of what you have done, the work needed and time you took to rectify it the owner had all but abandoned it !

 

So no, he/she has no interest, has told you straight, "not spending any money" and if you dont want to, LEAVE , thats your "out" on the remaining lease if you choose to take it.

The owner probably couldnt careless eithdr way and may well have plans to demolish and rebuild or sell off the land for all you know, but you came along and gave them around 50k a yr (money for nothing) for a wreck which suited them.

 

Bottom line, fix it yourself and shut up, or move as many here have already advised.

 

Going to a lawyer may be a big mistake, not cost effective, and potentially dangerous to your health.

 

Your choice.

 

This thread is not for your amusement or a place to vent your spleen on people trying to help you.

 

The perpetual flaming and endless circles stop here.

 

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