Wild dogs: Seven year old fighting for life after savage attack on Thai beach

[jak2002003]

18 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

My dog protects what she thinks belongs to her.  Me, the house and anything on our property.  She don't care how big you are or how you act.  She barks to warn you.  Then she growls. And then she attacks.  We had a prowler who learned a hard lesson about that.  She got his boxer shorts.  The cops found him in the jungle with only a shirt on.  The bear came on the property of the little dog.  Same thing.  My dog is not dumb.  She is loyal and brave - don't mess with her.  She may die protecting what is hers.  She is very strong willed. 

So when some little kids pass by your open gate, or step onto your property to get their ball or toy.. your dog attacks them or kills them....or someone comes to deliver the post, water bottles, or knock on your door for some legitimate reason, that is OK with you as you dog is being brave and loyal.  Owing an aggressive dog that will actually attack and wound people is not something to be proud of... and its dog owners like you that give dogs a bad name.

Edited January 31, 2019 by jak2002003

[bowerboy]

35 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You could say you were not accurate. 

News

Bangkok’s 640,000 Street Dogs To Be Sterilised In 7 Year Programme

 

https://whatsonsukhumvit.com/bangkoks-640000-street-dogs-to-be-sterilised-in-7-year-programme/

 

“The foundation has seen significant success with their ongoing sterilisation programme in Phuket. Hopefully, this success will be emulated in Bangkok”

 

The recent attack was in Phuket. What success are they talking about?

 

 

[jak2002003]

8 minutes ago, bowerboy said:

SDF funding comes almost exclusively from overseas....they know they can tap into the emotions of people in the U.K. etc to get money to provide their meal ticket to be here. They know those overseas people look at this through the lens of a western perspective on pet dogs ( not the Rabied Vermin they are).

 

How much funding do you think they would get if they told that same demographic that they wanted money to kill dogs??

 

Ironically then SDF is arguably a big part of the problem for spreading misinformation.

The SDF is a great success.... for getting money for itself and helping dog lovers have a nice life in Thailand.

 

While it may help a few individual dogs... it has not helped at all with Thailand's street dog population... as even government figures show the dog population rocketing.  

 

 

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

Stray dogs still 'significant' problem in UK, says Dogs Trust

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34413490

 

Stray dogs fall to lowest level in 20 years after compulsory microchipping is introduced.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34413490

 

You will notice the improvement was not by killing buy microchipping. 

 

Costs a lot less to microchip than murder helpless animals.  Perhaps Thailand could learn something from the UK.

Micro chipping every dog in Thailand will not reduce dog attacks, road accidents, mangy disease ridden dogs, or dog sh1t everywhere you walk. The only effective method in reducing the ever expanding street dog population is continual culling. 

 

But, but, but, the SDF is going to sterilised maybe 20% of the current dog population over the next X number of years - a bit like pissing in the sea for all the difference it will make. 

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by Artisi

[canthai55]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

You could say you were not accurate. 

News

Bangkok’s 640,000 Street Dogs To Be Sterilised In 7 Year Programme

 

https://whatsonsukhumvit.com/bangkoks-640000-street-dogs-to-be-sterilised-in-7-year-programme/

So, in the 7 year plan, while 640,000 dogs will be sterilized, how many more will breed ?

More than 640,000 I would hazard a guess.

 

[marcusarelus]

53 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

So when some little kids pass by your open gate, or step onto your property to get their ball or toy.. your dog attacks them or kills them....or someone comes to deliver the post, water bottles, or knock on your door for some legitimate reason, that is OK with you as you dog is being brave and loyal.  Owing an aggressive dog that will actually attack and wound people is not something to be proud of... and its dog owners like you that give dogs a bad name.

My property gate is always locked.  It locks when it is closed.  The dog barks first to warn anyone not to trespass.  Sign up in Thai not to trespass because of dog. 

 

Across the street two Bangkaews - same deal.  Up one house two Labs same deal.  One house away from that 2 Bangkaews and one pitt bull same deal (lady was robbed last year and got dogs).  7 guard dogs in the Soi. 

 

Guard dogs guard.  Provocation of a dog includes teasing, hitting, slapping, attacking, or throwing things at a dog.   A trespasser who forcibly enters a property which is known to be guarded by canines will most likely get bitten. My lawyer told me that I will avoid any problems because everyone is aware of the guard dogs. 

 

My dog can tell the difference between children playing and robbers because I live next to a teacher who tutors 20 kids on the weekends and they play with my dog.  No one gets bitten as the dog is not a dummy.  The dog has been socialized with children since a puppy.  Same house same teacher and children since the dog was born. 

 

So, why don't you like dogs?  

[canthai55]

To all the naysayers to culling, to the detriment of 4-5-6-7 year old children ...

How people sleep at night with this going on beggars belief, while preaching and accepting money for doing nothing practical at all.

Shame Shame Shame.

"Better to be a dog in a peaceful time, than to be a human in a chaotic (warring) period." The expression originates from Volume 3 of the 1627 short story collection by Feng Menglong, Stories to Awaken the World.

[marcusarelus]

7 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Micro chipping every dog in Thailand will not reduce dog attacks, road accidents, mangy disease ridden dogs, or dog sh1t everywhere you walk. The only effective method in reducing the ever expanding street dog population is continual culling. 

 

But, but, but, the SDF is going to sterilised maybe 20% of the current dog population over the next X number of years - a bit like pissing in the sea for all the difference it will make.

Yes it will.  The owner is responsible for the dog and ownership is established by microchip and

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/pets/news-features/10-facts-microchips-dogs/

[marcusarelus]

7 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

So, in the 7 year plan, while 640,000 dogs will be sterilized, how many more will breed ?

More than 640,000 I would hazard a guess.

 

No one has said sterilization is the complete answer.  Neuter, responsible owners, stop puppy farms, adopt dogs instead of breeding.  Vaccinate.   Euthanize very sick dogs.  I'm sure other ideas as well. 

[Jai Dee]

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[canthai55]

29 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No one has said sterilization is the complete answer.  Neuter, responsible owners, stop puppy farms, adopt dogs instead of breeding.  Vaccinate.   Euthanize very sick dogs.  I'm sure other ideas as well. 

And until that happy day, what do you suggest be done regarding all the Soi dogs ? Injured children I am sure would like to know.

[canthai55]

And just to be clear, we have 4. None roam free. None are Soi dogs.

If one even thought of injuring a human being, we would have 3.

The topic is Wild Dogs - as per the OP

[jvs]

58 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

My property gate is always locked.  It locks when it is closed.  The dog barks first to warn anyone not to trespass.  Sign up in Thai not to trespass because of dog. 

 

Across the street two Bangkaews - same deal.  Up one house two Labs same deal.  One house away from that 2 Bangkaews and one pitt bull same deal (lady was robbed last year and got dogs).  7 guard dogs in the Soi. 

 

Guard dogs guard.  Provocation of a dog includes teasing, hitting, slapping, attacking, or throwing things at a dog.   A trespasser who forcibly enters a property which is known to be guarded by canines will most likely get bitten. My lawyer told me that I will avoid any problems because everyone is aware of the guard dogs. 

 

My dog can tell the difference between children playing and robbers because I live next to a teacher who tutors 20 kids on the weekends and they play with my dog.  No one gets bitten as the dog is not a dummy.  The dog has been socialized with children since a puppy.  Same house same teacher and children since the dog was born. 

 

So, why don't you like dogs?  

Hard to believe!

[stud858]

I think the authority is only collecting dogs that look like trouble makers. The lounging around one looking like he's not harming anyone is left alone.

I guess the odd death is not a concern enough. Just have to accept it and be aware of the odd dog especially if you've got young kids.

Arm your children with sticks and pepper spray. I've heard dogs die if they eat chocolate , but I wouldn't advise you smother your kid in chocolate.

 

 

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Hard to believe!

What is hard to believe?

 

1.  My property gate is always locked.  It locks when it is closed.  The dog barks first to warn anyone not to trespass.  Sign up in Thai not to trespass because of dog. 

 

2.  Across the street two Bangkaews - same deal.  Up one house two Labs same deal.  One house away from that 2 Bangkaews and one pitt bull same deal (lady was robbed last year and got dogs).  7 guard dogs in the Soi. 

 

3.  Guard dogs guard.  Provocation of a dog includes teasing, hitting, slapping, attacking, or throwing things at a dog.   A trespasser who forcibly enters a property which is known to be guarded by canines will most likely get bitten. My lawyer told me that I will avoid any problems because everyone is aware of the guard dogs. 

 

4.  My dog can tell the difference between children playing and robbers because I live next to a teacher who tutors 20 kids on the weekends and they play with my dog.  No one gets bitten as the dog is not a dummy.  The dog has been socialized with children since a puppy.  Same house same teacher and children since the dog was born. 

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

And until that happy day, what do you suggest be done regarding all the Soi dogs ? Injured children I am sure would like to know.

Do the research.  Ask the Soi Dog Foundation as they are trying to help.  For me?  I adopt soi dogs and neuter and vaccinate them and donate to the Soi Dog Foundation.  If everyone was like me there would be no problem.  So, be like me. 

[Andrew Dwyer]

So, be like me. 

Yes everyone, come on be like Marcus !!

You know you want to !! [emoji51]

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

I think the authority is only collecting dogs that look like trouble makers. The lounging around one looking like he's not harming anyone is left alone.

I guess the odd death is not a concern enough. Just have to accept it and be aware of the odd dog especially if you've got young kids.

Arm your children with sticks and pepper spray. I've heard dogs die if they eat chocolate , but I wouldn't advise you smother your kid in chocolate.

 

 

They die if they bite my kids or family, it won't be chocolate they die from it will be lead with copper jacket

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

They die if they bite my kids or family, it won't be chocolate they die from it will be lead with copper jacket

40,000 baht fine 2 years in jail and charged with firing and carrying a gun in a public place another 20,000 baht fine.  More info than that I'd have to start charging you for my services.  

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

They die if they bite my kids or family, it won't be chocolate they die from it will be lead with copper jacket

Yeah right ????

[stanleycoin]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

They die if they bite my kids or family, it won't be chocolate they die from it will be lead with copper jacket

Take up Golf,  a 9 iron could come in handy, whilst looking for that lost ball in the Soi. 

 

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Yes it will.  The owner is responsible for the dog and ownership is established by microchip and

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/pets/news-features/10-facts-microchips-dogs/

Well that's absolutely marvellous that the owner is responsible and can be established by microchip, so what you are saying because the dog is chipped and the owner is responsible, there will be no more dog attack, road accidents, or mangy diseased dogs roaming the streets of Thailand. 

Certainly solved that problem  haven't you?

[marcusarelus]

8 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Well that's absolutely marvellous that the owner is responsible and can be established by microchip, so what you are saying because the dog is chipped and the owner is responsible, there will be no more dog attack, road accidents, or mangy diseased dogs roaming the streets of Thailand. 

Certainly solved that problem  haven't you?

All dogs in England, Scotland and Wales are legally required to have been chipped by the time they are eight weeks old.  UK has the law Thailand does not.  Perhaps Thailand knows more than the UK about dogs as you imply. 

[marcusarelus]

16 minutes ago, stanleycoin said:

Take up Golf,  a 9 iron could come in handy, whilst looking for that lost ball in the Soi. 

 

Police arrest man in connection with golf club attack on dog.  https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/2178677/police-search-hong-kong-man-who-attacked-dog-golf-club

 

Do you ever wonder why doctors say cruelty to animals is abnormal or deviant behavior? 

The link between animal cruelty and antisocial personality disorders

The-link-between-animal-cruelty-and-antisocial-personality-disorders.  https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/129343/the-link-between-animal-cruelty-and-antisocial-personality-disorders/

 

Defending yourself or kin is a natural behavior but seems to me on here the obsessive talk about killing dogs is not really linked to defense and goes to all dogs which I'd worry about. 

 

I'm all for removing strays and taking any humane steps to protect humans from harmful animals. 

 

Humane is the keyword and separates rational acts from deviant action. 

[jvs]

2 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

What is hard to believe?

 

1.  My property gate is always locked.  It locks when it is closed.  The dog barks first to warn anyone not to trespass.  Sign up in Thai not to trespass because of dog. 

 

2.  Across the street two Bangkaews - same deal.  Up one house two Labs same deal.  One house away from that 2 Bangkaews and one pitt bull same deal (lady was robbed last year and got dogs).  7 guard dogs in the Soi. 

 

3.  Guard dogs guard.  Provocation of a dog includes teasing, hitting, slapping, attacking, or throwing things at a dog.   A trespasser who forcibly enters a property which is known to be guarded by canines will most likely get bitten. My lawyer told me that I will avoid any problems because everyone is aware of the guard dogs. 

 

4.  My dog can tell the difference between children playing and robbers because I live next to a teacher who tutors 20 kids on the weekends and they play with my dog.  No one gets bitten as the dog is not a dummy.  The dog has been socialized with children since a puppy.  Same house same teacher and children since the dog was born. 

So your dogs are going to be really confused when a child steals something?This is all very off topic but unless id dog is trained to bite it will most likely not attack and intruder.This has been proven many times

[Patriot]

My 7 year old son was bitten by a mutt down the street while riding his bike. I marched with him down to re-address the issue and was met with similar aggression until my size 11 left foot connected smartly with the soft, dangly collection of objects between its back legs. Since then he acts as a guard dog and escorts my nippers up and down the street. 

Strange mentality

[Artisi]

24 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

All dogs in England, Scotland and Wales are legally required to have been chipped by the time they are eight weeks old.  UK has the law Thailand does not.  Perhaps Thailand knows more than the UK about dogs as you imply. 

Thought we were in Thailand with something like 1 mil. (conservative) estimate of stray dogs roaming around not the 150,000 or so reported as being taken off the streets in the UK in a full year, half returned to owners and the balance destroyed.

 

However, can you please explain why the UK has about 150,000 dogs on the street over a full year, while Thailand with a similar population of people as the UK have maybe 1,000,000 dogs on the streets everyday of the year, is it because they aren't microchiped?

[marcusarelus]

43 minutes ago, jvs said:

So your dogs are going to be really confused when a child steals something?This is all very off topic but unless id dog is trained to bite it will most likely not attack and intruder.This has been proven many times

No, dog is brighter than you.  Dog can tell the difference between a child playing and one breaking into house.  By the way list your biting source because the information is in error.  Do you really think we are that dumb?  "This has been proven many times."  Who is going to believe that?

 

There are two Bangkaews across the street.  A robber tried a 2nd story job.  The dogs got his shoes and part of his foot as he tried to run away.  They were not trained to do anything.  I've seen them since pups.  Instinctive behavior.  Owner is a ranking military officer who carries a sidearm as part of his job. 

Edited January 31, 2019 by marcusarelus

[marcusarelus]

5 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Thought we were in Thailand with something like 1 mil. (conservative) estimate of stray dogs roaming around not the 150,000 or so reported as being taken off the streets in the UK in a full year, half returned to owners and the balance destroyed.

 

However, can you please explain why the UK has about 150,000 dogs on the street over a full year, while Thailand with a similar population of people as the UK have maybe 1,000,000 dogs on the streets everyday of the year, is it because they aren't microchiped?

Stray dogs fall to lowest level in 20 years after compulsory microchipping is introduced.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/stray-dogs-fall-lowest-level-20-years-compulsory-microchipping/

[Artisi]

16 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Stray dogs fall to lowest level in 20 years after compulsory microchipping is introduced.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/stray-dogs-fall-lowest-level-20-years-compulsory-microchipping/

Oh! Thank you, that explains why the difference-- I should start reading the Telegraph and save you the problem of posting it in all your posts.

Edited January 31, 2019 by Artisi