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Badrabbit

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Badrabbit Gold Member

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All of a sudden the front break stopped working, Yamaha says over 20,000bht for replacement break pump thingy, nice mechanic says "do you need ABS on front as can by pass the pump cost 1000bht" awesome let's do that!! never ever used ABS so that is a good cheap fix.
 
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tlandtday Silver Member

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nmax 20000... i have been reluctant on yamaha aerox and nmax i like the bikes but some of the build quality looks cheap to me and higher tech items like abs expensive to repair... it isn't under warranty?  how many km?

Kwasaki Star Member

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52 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

by pass the pump cost 1000bht" awesome let's do that!! never ever used ABS so that is a good cheap fix.

Sounds expensive to me but if your happy go for it.

I always thought ABS braking stood for Always Being Stupid.

Farangwithaplan Advanced Member

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20k THB seems expensive even if you were to actually replace physically broken master cylinder (thing on the handlebar), brake disc (round thing at the wheel), and brake caliper (thing that goes around the brake disc).

 

Unless there are phsical cracks in the parts or you physically hit something at force to break the parts, you will usually put a seal kit in the master cyclinder and the caliper. The brake dic can be machined if warped or replaced if bent or undersized.

 

ABS has bracketry and sensors. If the electronics fail on the ABS, the probably will just not work under brake lock conditions.

 

I'd be getting a second opinion. Or better still, post up the written quote here so we can see what the mechanic intends to do.

 

 

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thaiguzzi Gold Member

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2 hours ago, Badrabbit said:

"do you need ABS on front as can by pass the pump cost 1000bht"

May be even cheaper...

Remove the ABS fuse?

Total cost - nada. Zilch.

Badrabbit Gold Member

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20k THB seems expensive even if you were to actually replace physically broken master cylinder (thing on the handlebar), brake disc (round thing at the wheel), and brake caliper (thing that goes around the brake disc).
 
Unless there are phsical cracks in the parts or you physically hit something at force to break the parts, you will usually put a seal kit in the master cyclinder and the caliper. The brake dic can be machined if warped or replaced if bent or undersized.
 
ABS has bracketry and sensors. If the electronics fail on the ABS, the probably will just not work under brake lock conditions.
 
I'd be getting a second opinion. Or better still, post up the written quote here so we can see what the mechanic intends to do.
 
 
Awesome and where do you think all this will be done in a 4th world country where hitting the tire with a big spanner indicates a good tire pressure?

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canthai55 Platinum Member

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If you do not cycle the ABS the brake fluid never gets replaced with fresh.

50K km and you have never flushed the system ? Not surprised that it failed.

Every 2 years complete flush, bleed is required.

And the ABS on my bikes gets cycled every ride to avoid this problem.

Brake fluid is hygroscopic - it pulls water right out of the air.

Probably what the problem is - corrosion in the system from the water in it.

 

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guzzi850m2 Platinum Member

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ABS on the front wheel is very nice to have.

 

On my wife's Finalo, I specif got the top model that have ABS on the front disk, can perhaps save her from a crash one day, making it worth the extra money to me.

 

OP find another shop.

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Kwasaki Star Member

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2 hours ago, Badrabbit said:

Yep if the ABS does come on you are driving like a lunatic unless someone pulls out in front of you then maybe just maybe its justified!

No you should be aware of someone pulling out in front of you instead of looking at the massage ladies shops.

ballpoint Star Member

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11 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

No you should be aware of someone pulling out in front of you instead of looking at the massage ladies shops.

If you see a massage shop lady pulling one out in front of you then you're looking too hard.

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Farangwithaplan Advanced Member

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On 3/20/2019 at 6:58 PM, Badrabbit said:

Awesome and where do you think all this will be done in a 4th world country where hitting the tire with a big spanner indicates a good tire pressure?

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Any particular professional service centre. These things shouldn't be handles by the soi mechanic. Go to the local dealer.

 

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thaiguzzi Gold Member

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9 minutes ago, Farangwithaplan said:

Any particular professional service centre. These things shouldn't be handles by the soi mechanic. Go to the local dealer.

 

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

Every town has an independent motorcycle "soi" shop/mechanic that has loads more ability and talent than any "trained pro service centre".

I would not trust my car or scooter/moped to any brand name dealership,

(big bike shops are a different kettle of fish).

1. Prices are a rip off.

2. Advice is generally wrong and expensive.

3. Training/skill is non existent.

You are funny.

Hilarious even.

:cheesy::cheesy:

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papa al Platinum Member

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15 hours ago, Badrabbit said:

No idea but going by the bill it was a matter of cleaning out the brake line and adding new fluid.

 

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'Dirt in the fuel line.

Just blowed it away.'

C.W. Moss,

Bonnie & Clyde associate 1967 flick.

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Farangwithaplan Advanced Member

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On 3/21/2019 at 9:05 PM, thaiguzzi said:

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

Every town has an independent motorcycle "soi" shop/mechanic that has loads more ability and talent than any "trained pro service centre".

I would not trust my car or scooter/moped to any brand name dealership,

(big bike shops are a different kettle of fish).

1. Prices are a rip off.

2. Advice is generally wrong and expensive.

3. Training/skill is non existent.

You are funny.

Hilarious even.

:cheesy::cheesy:

So you have actually investigated and checked the service centres have you? What was the outcome of this intensive audit? Just because you have had bad experiences in your region, does not mean that to be the case in all areas.

 

If you are going to attempt to undermine my posts, can you please at least use a little tact and forethought. Try to counter my statements with actual fact as opposed to generalistic, sweeping claims.

 

1. I find the prices fair and reasonable. Examples of this are things like brake pad replacement, cynrifical clutch repairs as well as electrical / CDI fault diagnostics. In watching them problems solve the electrical issues at two locations, I was impressed with the way they attacked the issue and the speed in finding the faults. That requires training.

2. Not my experience at all in the 5 or so service centres I have visited to help friends with their scooters. I had already diagnosed the issues on 3 of the cases and the service centres were spot on in assessing and identifying the issue on all occasions

3. You base this on what? How could you possibly know this? I find it very hard to believe that Honda AP or their equivalents would be allowed to trade under company monikers of the Japanese parent company if there was "non existent' training. But if you have any proof of this no training - and by that I mean real proof and not just your hearsay - it would be interesting to see it.

 

I'm a barrel of laughs, I'm just not the kind to scrape the bottom of the barrel for my humour. I just find it worrying when people use wild generalised statements and try to pass them off as fact. Just because they try to shout the loudest does not make them right.

 

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Badrabbit Gold Member

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Just to make it clear I think the 20k number was for the ABS controller which did look complicated and dare say expensive, the mechanic ask me if I needed ABS as if not the ABS could be bypassed if the pump was the problem, they could not work on the bike as very busy, the 2nd shop was where I purchased the bike, they worked on the bike for over 3 hrs and hit me with a bill for 80bht now that is incredible, never had a problem with main dealers, Big wing by far the most professional I have come across ref big bikes.

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Farangwithaplan Advanced Member

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59 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Just to make it clear I think the 20k number was for the ABS controller which did look complicated and dare say expensive, the mechanic ask me if I needed ABS as if not the ABS could be bypassed if the pump was the problem, they could not work on the bike as very busy, the 2nd shop was where I purchased the bike, they worked on the bike for over 3 hrs and hit me with a bill for 80bht now that is incredible, never had a problem with main dealers, Big wing by far the most professional I have come across ref big bikes.

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Then you could bypass the ABS unit as they mentioned and disregard it. Or you could source a second hand unit, or buy new. 20k still seems very steep for a replacement unit.

 

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