3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you notice that soon there will be elections for the EU? They do that every couple of years. It's part of democracy.

Just as respecting the result of a referendum is!

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you notice that soon there will be elections for the EU? They do that every couple of years. It's part of democracy.

The only real elections are for the EU Parliament, which is too underpowered for effective representation and happen only every 5 years.

1 hour ago, Disaantri said:

Let's have a military coup then?!

Can't be done in the next few months old chap.

 

Far too many long weekends coming up.

 

Easter, May bank holiday, Whitsun, summer block leave - out of the question.

 

 

58 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I will take Brexitism over EUism any day.

Yep, Brexitisms beats EUphemisms.

3 hours ago, Lucius verus said:

DUMBASTHEYCOME

 

Melbourne USA? Sounds like one of those places in USA named after others. Ie. Sparta USA ,Carthage USA ,Athens USA.

What's the history of Melbourne in USA? How old is it.

It is very easy to do a Google search.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne,_Florida

 

After the Civil War, pioneer families arrived, and Melbourne was founded in 1867.

The first settlers arrived after 1877. They included Richard W. Goode, his father John Goode, Cornthwaite John Hector, Captain Peter Wright, Balaam Allen, Wright Brothers, and Thomas Mason.[12] Three of these men, Wright, Allen, and Brothers were black freedmen.[13]

The city, formerly called "Crane Creek",[14] was named Melbourne in honor of its first postmaster, Cornthwaite John Hector, an Englishman who had spent much of his life in Melbourne, Australia.[15] He is buried in the Melbourne Cemetery, along with many early residents in the area. The first school in Melbourne was built in 1883 and is on permanent exhibit on the campus of Florida Institute of Technology. By 1885, the town had 70 people.[16] The Greater Allen Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church was founded in 1885 and is still active.[17]

34 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Significantly more than anyone in the WTO or the UK‘s head of state and commander-in-chief. 

Top response there.

What defines you and your pathetic incompetent shambles of a government, you gurning popinjay, is that despite a referendum result in favour of leaving the EU, a general election in which the manifestos of both the government party and the opposition party declared that they would honour and enact that referendum (you were elected on that manifesto - remember?) and passing an act of parliament (The EU Withdrawal Act of 2018) in which an overwhelming number of MPs voted to leave, you and your mates have failed utterly to do so, and seem more than content to continue failing to do so. That is either deceit writ large, or pathetic incompetence, Choose whichever you want, they both define you.

Total Tory sxxxshow that is showing no sign of abating.

 

The only mitigation is that just about every other institution of power has shunned responsibility for Brexit, including the main perpetrators.

 

There are numerous ways forward, eg, the judiciary could render the vote void, since the public were not in a position to make an informed decision.  This has actually happened in Switzerland recently without democracy collapsing.  

 

Politicians of all hues have let us down badly. 

 

Edit: There is another consolation: sooner or later the Tories are going to suffer a massive, humiliating backlash which ill see them out of office for decades.  Brexit could even spell the end of the party.....and rightly so.

 

 

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Top response there.

Thanks. Glad to expose the hypocrisy and ill-informedness of Brexiteers again. 

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Thanks. Glad to expose the hypocrisy and ill-informedness of Brexiteers again. 

Only exposure there is your difficulty in answering questions directly.

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

With the exception of Ted Heath's lies to us about the EEC, most of the wrecking was done by the New Liebour governments of Princess Tony B.Liar and the one eyed Scottish idiot Brown between 1997 and 2010. They are responsible for most of the UK's decline and the numerous imported problems.

The hostile environment was another of May's smoke and mirror tricks. That one failed because it was not hostile enough and the PC brigade bled their hearts all over London.
Brexit, it may have escaped your notice but only half of the party are supporting it, while the fifth columnist Remainers in the party are voting with Liebour to prevent Brexit. Hence the cross party mess. 

You are such a bad loser.

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Only exposure there is your difficulty in answering questions directly.

A question that has been answered dozen times already yet there still pops up another Brexiteer who likes to show the whole world his low level of knowledge about the subject. 

10 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Total Tory sxxxshow that is showing no sign of abating.

 

The only mitigation is that just about every other institution of power has shunned responsibility for Brexit, including the main perpetrators.

 

There are numerous ways forward, eg, the judiciary could render the vote void, since the public were not in a position to make an informed decision.  This has actually happened in Switzerland recently without democracy collapsing.  

 

Politicians of all hues have let us down badly. 

 

Edit: There is another consolation: sooner or later the Tories are going to suffer a massive, humiliating backlash which ill see them out of office for decades.  Brexit could even spell the end of the party.....and rightly so.

 

 

Yes plenty of polls suggest that the Tories are in trouble both in the EU elections and also in any GE at the moment. The racists in UKIP, and the looney fringe in the new "Get Nigel on telly" party will get a few seats in the EU, but under FPTP in a GE they will be lucky to win any seats, but will damage the Tories even more. Non brexiteers may end up being grateful to Fromage for splitting the Brexiteer  vote. Corbyn is way too stubborn and thick to take a significant advantage from this situation, but could end up with the largest party. It has to be remembered that Corbyn's puppet masters in the Politburo, Trotsky toffs Murray and Milne are real leavers.

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Top response there.

 

40 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Thanks. Glad to expose the hypocrisy and ill-informedness of Brexiteers again. 

 

37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Only exposure there is your difficulty in answering questions directly.

This one is always still spaced out on Mondays. Another Johnny Foreigner who does not understand British sarcasm. They're not famed for a sense of humour over there. Always better to leave an emoji for them.

Are you going to tell us how many then?

40 minutes ago, adammike said:

You are such a bad loser.

Yep, sore as XXXX about it when actually we were the winners. Then the cheating barstewards nicked our ball and ran off with it.

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

Well he would say that wouldn't he. He's a Remainer who has been working against a real Brexit. The party has far too many of those for it to be defined as the Brexit party, which is why they have got themselves into the mess. Of course they were assisted into the mess by the Liebour Remainers and the other Remainers in Parliament overall.

The trouble with the Conservative Party is that it is not conservative enough and hasn't been for sometime. There's only a few good men in the ERG who are saving CON from imploding, but if it does that's OK too.

Whether one is for Leave or Remain is irrelevant. The point is that the Con party are entirely responsible for this mess and no-one else. Feel free to punish them at the ballot box (or quit complaining).

6 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

the strengthening EU-scepticism

Where you got that nonsence from ? ?At least for Netherlands... just a 18% willing to commit economical suicide… propbqly the same as many Brits... do not have an idea what that means as too lazy and too stupid to read about all advantages of the EU. ...

 

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

Well he would say that wouldn't he. He's a Remainer who has been working against a real Brexit. The party has far too many of those for it to be defined as the Brexit party, which is why they have got themselves into the mess. Of course they were assisted into the mess by the Liebour Remainers and the other Remainers in Parliament overall.

The trouble with the Conservative Party is that it is not conservative enough and hasn't been for sometime. There's only a few good men in the ERG who are saving CON from imploding, but if it does that's OK too.

did you have a real Brexit party on March 29?

6 minutes ago, baboon said:

Whether on is for Leave or Remain is irrelevant. The point is that the Con party are entirely responsible for this mess and no-one else. Feel free to punish them at the ballot box (or quit complaining).

And what was the little issue that led to the Labour Party MPs calling and securing a vote of No Confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Please do remind us.

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

And what was the little issue that led to the Labour Party MPs calling and securing a vote of No Confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Please do remind us.

Don't care. The Tories own this one and no amount of spinning alters the fact.

13 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

And what was the little issue that led to the Labour Party MPs calling and securing a vote of No Confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Please do remind us.

The Brexit wing of the Tory's had a vote of confidence on the PM they lost, now they are looking to find ways to have another one but they scream " traitors" when remainers want another referendum.

7 minutes ago, adammike said:

The Brexit wing of the Tory's had a vote of confidence on the PM they lost, now they are looking to find ways to have another one but they scream " traitors" when remainers want another referendum.

...because their 'no confidence' vote failed and is time-barred for a year whereas the 2016 vote to leave the EU was a resounding win as all of you know.

6 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

You do not know much about the European institutions an the law making process do you?

There's the EU-Parliament to be elected. It has close no rights an can simply be overruled. The "European Commission" has the power. None of these people is elected. The democratic EU is a fairytale

As usual, Brits do not have the slightest idea about how the EU works, and Brexiteers... believe Boris The Liar above all.

See https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies_en

European parliament, inclusive 75 elected British members.

Role: Directly-elected EU body with legislative, supervisory, and budgetary responsibilities

Members: 751 MEPs (Members of the European Parliament)

President: Antonio Tajani

European Council

 

Members: Heads of state or government of EU countries, European Commission President, High Representative for Foreign Affairs & Security Policy. For the U.K.: May.President: Donald Tusk, elected by the heads of state of the EU members.

The Council of the European Union

 

Role: Voice of EU member governments, adopting EU laws and coordinating EU policies

Members: Government ministers from each EU country, according to the policy area to be discussed

President: Each EU country holds the presidency on a 6-month rotating basis

European Commission

Role: Promotes the general interest of the EU by proposing and enforcing legislation as well as by implementing policies and the EU budget

Members: A team or 'College' of Commissioners, 1 from each EU country. For the U.K.: Julian King, nominated by David Cameron to succeed Jonathan Hill as the British European Commissioner

President: Jean-Claude Juncker

 

 

Civil servants are appointed by the EU, for instance Barrier, because of skills and knowledge. The U.K. negotiator was appointed because of ? ? see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_negotiations

 

Of course, the British system, for the House of Commons of England, coming out of the 14th century, is far and far more democratic.????.  The Reform Act 1832 reduced the number of parliamentary boroughs in England and Wales. The Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 equalised the population of constituencies. Nothing really evaluated since then.

As 'the winner takes it all" per constituency, you must be crazy NOT to vote for the two main parties, unless a regional effect can be harvested. 

Lib Dem, with  2,371,910  votes = 7,4% of all, a mare 12 seats are won, while DUP with 292,316 votes = 0,9% got 10 seats. This is democracy ?

The House of Lords... all appointed: Life peers (about 680 of Members are appointed for their lifetime, Archbishops and bishops ( 26), Elected hereditary Members (15 officeholders elected by the House; 75 party and Crossbench Members (elected by their own party or group); and two who hold royal appointments ).

So, like the French Assemblée before the French Revolution, 1789. Nothing improved since then.

Happily soon we will get rid of the British, who were frustrating a further Union since Heath, and sabotaged under Thatcher. Charles de Gaulle was right. Pity two chances are already missed.

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

...because their 'no confidence' vote failed and is time-barred for a year whereas the 2016 vote to leave the EU was a resounding win as all of you know.

4% in a referendum mired with electoral fraud is not a 'resounding win'.

 

Farage himself said 'in a 48/52......' but you know the already, hence your fear of a second referendum. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

4% in a referendum mired with electoral fraud is not a 'resounding win'.

 

Farage himself said 'in a 48/52......' but you know the already, hence your fear of a second referendum. 

Fancy you recycling that again Chomper, AND failing to recall my own well documented views on your fabled 2nd Neverendum;

"Bring it on!"

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

With the exception of Ted Heath's lies to us about the EEC, most of the wrecking was done by the New Liebour governments of Princess Tony B.Liar and the one eyed Scottish idiot Brown between 1997 and 2010. They are responsible for most of the UK's decline and the numerous imported problems.

The hostile environment was another of May's smoke and mirror tricks. That one failed because it was not hostile enough and the PC brigade bled their hearts all over London.
Brexit, it may have escaped your notice but only half of the party are supporting it, while the fifth columnist Remainers in the party are voting with Liebour to prevent Brexit. Hence the cross party mess. 

A worthwhile argument would not require the juvenile name calling.

4 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

A worthwhile argument would not require the juvenile name calling.

Agreed but it happens all too often in the other direction ????

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Yep, sore as XXXX about it when actually we were the winners. Then the cheating barstewards nicked our ball and ran off with it.

And you are not getting it back.

23 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

And you are not getting it back.

No problem. Replace the ball. Only a one stroke penalty. Continue play.

Whether one is for Leave or Remain is irrelevant. The point is that the Con party are entirely responsible for this mess and no-one else. Feel free to punish them at the ballot box (or quit complaining).

Are the Liebour MPs not responsible because they all voted for motions to actually Leave, as promised in their manifesto too?