Typical dual pricing jerks

[toofarnorth]

19 hours ago, madmen said:

Your joking. You have any idea how many poor pensioners here barley existing month to month

No , but I would like to know , a topic up here with a few mates. Barely 42B - quid , May 3 years ago 51B.  Sorry going off topic.

[unamazedloso]

I don't go to any Thai places no more. The license has never worked for me. It's out and out racism so to hell with all stupid places until things change. 

[tifino]

Did/does it ever occur to them, that Johhny Falang is there is standing at the counter next to a Thai woman...

never thinking that she's his wife... and that she is now opening translating it all to hubby, and the Falang is now openly smirking at them...    and make sure the Conter staff is made aware that the numbering hidden behind Thai text does not work?

[richard_smith237]

19 hours ago, XenZen said:

i don't see the problem.  odds are the farang does have more disposable income.  don't you want to help Thailand???  Don't you feel bad they are poor?  Don't you appreciate the capitalism?  Don't you feel you were born into a better place with more options and more money?

 

200 baht.....  i've given away thousands for nothing in return.   maybe 15,000.   is it a lot?  no.  ok, there you go.

 

 

Highly flawed arguments.. 

 

Half of the Thai’s I know are wealthier than I. 

 

Whats ‘helping Thailand’ got to do with xenophobic practices of double pricing?

 

Some very strange arguments presented in the post above... 

[Gecko123]

Again... (see earlier post #35 )

 

OP is comparing pricing in English for admission which includes a special live dance performance on Sat-Sun with Thai language pricing for everyday admission (not including the special weekend live dance performance). Pricing in English for general admission that matches the admission pricing in Thai which the OP cited can be found on-line: https://www.trazy.com/experience/detail/teddy-bear-museum-pattaya-discount-ticket 

 

I believe the OP has unfairly criticized this business for dual pricing because he failed to do an apples-to-apples price comparison. If true, the OP has unfairly damaged this business (which by-the-way appears to be a franchisee of a Korean-owned chain), and should admit he was wrong.

[CharlieH]

10 minutes ago, Kim J said:

Years back Nong Nooch was great. Went a couple of years ago with Mrs Kim and our daughter and what was once indeed a nice and pleasant day out has simply morphed into the usual overcrowded, cheap and tacky Thai tourist trap. The gardens have been ruined with the addition of all those ugly plastic animals and dinosaurs etc.

The small zoo area they have is nothing short of a disgrace the manner in which animals are treated and the conditions they are kept in. That was about my fourth or fifth visit to Nong Nooch and I can say without qualification will be my last.

Oh and to add that we all have our own requirements on a day out, but personally I did not consider the noise and spectacle of a ladyboy show in the middle of a tropical garden to be appropriate family entertainment.

This just proves how experiences vary.My visit a few weeks ago, I went early morning, the parking area was empty when we arrived, not over run etc by Chinese coach loads, no ladyboy show that I was aware of. We didnt see nor look for a zoo as I dont agree with them. 

 

The Dinosaurs were for the kids who have never seen them before, and they thoroughly enjoyed them.

We enjoyed our visit overall.

[Psimbo]

I feel your pain- do you need counselling (said in a Merkin accent) or a hug to get over this traumatic experience?

[skippybangkok]

Again... (see earlier post #35 )
 
OP is comparing pricing in English for admission which includes a special live dance performance on Sat-Sun with Thai language pricing for everyday admission (not including the special weekend live dance performance). Pricing in English for general admission that matches the admission pricing in Thai which the OP cited can be found on-line: https://www.trazy.com/experience/detail/teddy-bear-museum-pattaya-discount-ticket 
 
I believe the OP has unfairly criticized this business for dual pricing because he failed to do an apples-to-apples price comparison. If true, the OP has unfairly damaged this business (which by-the-way appears to be a franchisee of a Korean-owned chain), and should admit he was wrong.

You really should pass up that extra bowl of stupid in the morning. Using this logic, then farang price should then be the same except for that one hour a week. How also they separate the tickets of show and no show would be interesting.

For me not an issue anymore generally as have Thai ID, but even that has been rejected in Pattaya at a tourist trap as I am a white Thai





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[Fex Bluse]

21 hours ago, Pilotman said:

If you don't like it, don't go.   Most Thai 'attractions' are not even worth the Thai price. let alone anything more. 

Exactly. There's hardly a well-kept, well-planned attraction anywhere in the country. Even the temples are not very nice here. 

 

One gets the distinct feeling his admission is being stuffed directly into some corrupt local's pocket to finance his next Merc while we get to enjoy the attraction that is operated on 10% of what it should be. 

[GalaxyMan]

2 hours ago, KittenKong said:

Now that I may try some day. I like the drive to Pai though I find the town itself very boring and overrated.

 

How much do the springs actually cost? And do they have dual-pricing?

There are 2 hot springs that I found in Pai, Sai Ngam Hot Spring,  15km N of Pai, which I found to be luke-warm at best. Nice setting, but I like my hot springs to be, well, hot. Then there's Tha Pai Hot Spring/Pong Nam Ron Thapai in Huai Nam Dang National Park, about 8km S of Pai. Incredible hot springs with water temperatures in various pools to suit all, including one that had a sign warning not to boil eggs in the pool! They both had dual pricing and I can't remember how much it was, but my Thai driver's license seemed to do the trick. I remember remarking about how inexpensive it was, even for the farang pricing.

 

PS. Pai is a nice town, but I found it far too commercial and everyone seemed to be speaking Hebrew. It was a very strange experience.

[toenail]

Every day this Teddy Bear museum ( Beach Rd & Soi 1) is visited by loud, cigarette smoking Chinese bus tour groups. I can almost bet they don’t pay the full price . ( Before that they stop at the Gem Gallery on Pattaya Nua which is free.)  I cannot see how 500 baht entrance fee  for a farang is a fair price. It is totally a rip off. 

[Pilotman]

14 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Exactly. There's hardly a well-kept, well-planned attraction anywhere in the country. Even the temples are not very nice here. 

 

One gets the distinct feeling his admission is being stuffed directly into some corrupt local's pocket to finance his next Merc while we get to enjoy the attraction that is operated on 10% of what it should be. 

Indeed so.  I have stopped going to the temples with Mrs P.  They are as big a rip off as any 'attraction' in Thailand . The Monks do damn all to help the community and just sit there taking goods and money for so called 'merit'.  I am done with all that mumbo jumbo. 

[manchega]

I like to swear in Thai at the people and when they ask me what I am saying I pretend not to understand

[tifino]

12 minutes ago, toenail said:

Every day this Teddy Bear museum ( Beach Rd & Soi 1) is visited by loud, cigarette smoking Chinese bus tour groups. I can almost bet they don’t pay the full price . ( Before that they stop at the Gem Gallery on Pattaya Nua which is free.)  I cannot see how 500 baht entrance fee  for a farang is a fair price. It is totally a rip off. 

would you Bet 500 that they don't pay full price?

[toenail]

21 hours ago, XenZen said:

i don't see the problem.  odds are the farang does have more disposable income.  don't you want to help Thailand???  Don't you feel bad they are poor?  Don't you appreciate the capitalism?  Don't you feel you were born into a better place with more options and more money?

 

200 baht.....  i've given away thousands for nothing in return.   maybe 15,000.   is it a lot?  no.  ok, there you go.

 

 

Answer: I want prices to be affordable to ordinary Thais so I do understand them getting a discount. ( It is like being a senior citizen in my country and receiving a reduced rate.) But!!! The price for farangs at these places are usually 3-4 times the price and it is not worth the inflated entrance fee. And the tourist attractions for kids. the management knows the parents have to be with them. This extra cash these rich Thai owners make goes into their pocket, not into helping the needy. 

[Greenhill]

15 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Most of the thai tax base is the VAT. Every thai pays vat one way or another.

And so does every Expat or tourist!

[connda]

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It is in face illegal for a private enterprise to use dual pricing policies in Thailand - but that doesn't stop the greed. 

Did the government make a law that makes it illegal for private enterprises to 'dual price?'  Then you go to a government run attraction like a national park and then you get the Thai price in Thai and the foreigner price in English and the foreigner price is multiples of the Thai price?  ????

[bbko]

This would stop overnight if the western governments gave travelling Thai elites a dose of their own medicine but anyone with half a brain should realize by now that their governments don't represent their interests anymore. 

Here in the USA, if a foreigner wants to go to a college/university, they pay waayyyy more than a US citizen, isn't that double pricing?

[MikeN]

3 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

If its Ramayana Water park you are referring to there are 2 prices, resident (including expats) and tourist. A thai drivers license or a long stay visa etc, Thais and expats pay the same.

 

 

 

Ok, my mistake as when the “resident “ was highlighted and tourist greyed out I thought (logically) that was the resident price, but it’s the other way around.

BUT.... looking at the Thai language page for discounted online booking where it just says “chao Thai” get in for 790 baht but “chao taang chaat “ (foreigners) pay 1440 baht. No mention of any exceptions.

 So don’t get a Thai family member to book for you on the Thai language page !

[mickyr55]

22 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

I thought that was the point - Western governments don't do it to show their moral superiority

No Western governments don't do it because it's racism which is illegal 

[Caine]

22 hours ago, XenZen said:

i don't see the problem.  odds are the farang does have more disposable income.  don't you want to help Thailand???  Don't you feel bad they are poor?  Don't you appreciate the capitalism?  Don't you feel you were born into a better place with more options and more money?

 

200 baht.....  i've given away thousands for nothing in return.   maybe 15,000.   is it a lot?  no.  ok, there you go.

 

 

Hey big spender, 15000 wow.

[connda]

33 minutes ago, bbko said:

22 hours ago, losworld said:

This would stop overnight if the western governments gave travelling Thai elites a dose of their own medicine but anyone with half a brain should realize by now that their governments don't represent their interests anymore. 

Here in the USA, if a foreigner wants to go to a college/university, they pay waayyyy more than a US citizen, isn't that double pricing?

There in the USA, if an a out-of-state non-resident wishes to go to a college/university, they pay waayyyy more than in-state tuition.  Oh, and the foreigners?  They pay out-of-state non-resident tuition too.  If the colleges/universities specifically charged foreigners more than US citizens, it would end up in front of the US District Court and possible the Supreme Court as it is discriminatory.  The ACLU would be all over it.

[losworld]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

There in the USA, if an a out-of-state non-resident wishes to go to a college/university, they pay waayyyy more than in-state tuition.  Oh, and the foreigners?  They pay out-of-state non-resident tuition too.  If the colleges/universities specifically charged foreigners more than US citizens, it would end up in front of the US District Court and possible the Supreme Court as it is discriminatory.  The ACLU would be all over it.

College tuition is not double pricing.  State colleges such as ucla etc are subsidizing students why should they subsidize foreign students.  I know many Chinese are laughing to the bank taking advantage of low tuitions and expenses and in Canada getting subsidized healthcare to boot while their kids go out and buy new houses with millions in cash.  

[StevieAus]

22 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Its not only attractions How about hospital double pricing?

My friend had to negotiate his open heart operation on the operation table with his surgeon before he would start.

I had a medical procedure carried out at a private hospital in Chiang Mai recently involving a specialist and anesthetist I paid exactly the same as the Thais.

My Thai wife checked the fee beforehand excellent service as well.

[StevieAus]

Have just visited Melaka in Malaysia everywhere we visited if you didn’t have a Malaysia ID card you paid a higher price so it’s not only Thailand.

[Destiny1990]

30 minutes ago, StevieAus said:

I had a medical procedure carried out at a private hospital in Chiang Mai recently involving a specialist and anesthetist I paid exactly the same as the Thais.

My Thai wife checked the fee beforehand excellent service as well.

Are u try to claim double and triple pricing in hospitals here doesn’t happen? 

Btw ur partner is Thai u be treated more fairly cause ur wife. How about a Russian couple?

its just stupid coming here saying u haven’t been ripped of therefor claiming it doesn’t happen!!!

all based on ur one time positive personal experience. 

[upu2]

On 5/5/2019 at 2:04 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Western Prices posted in English: Child 300 baht / Adult 500 baht

Thai Prices posted in Thai: Child 150 chat / Adult 250 baht

 

Whenever I see Thai numbers in Thai Script instead of the actual numbers its because of something like this to try and hide double pricing. 

 

Try with your Thai Driving License.

 

Double pricing like this is in poor taste - Its a long ongoing debate, especially regarding parks etc.

It is in face illegal for a private enterprise to use dual pricing policies in Thailand - but that doesn't stop the greed. 

 

This is the filter down from the double pricing policies in parks etc... the government telling the population its ok to charge foreigners more for the same thing. 

 

And before people say its on a few $... its not about the money, and if you can't get that, you never will.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one of many reasons they will be losing tourists

[Gecko123]

 

3 hours ago, skippybangkok said:

 

You really should pass up that extra bowl of stupid in the morning. Using this logic, then farang price should then be the same except for that one hour a week. How also they separate the tickets of show and no show would be interesting.

For me not an issue anymore generally as have Thai ID, but even that has been rejected in Pattaya at a tourist trap as I am a white Thai

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Well, resorting to insults is always a sure fire indication that one's argument is rock solid, isn't it?

 

The mistake your OP made was comparing regular admission pricing (in Thai) to pricing (in English) for regular admission PLUS admission to a one hour LIVE dance show.

 

My post #96 gave you a link to a website selling general admission tickets to the park (in English) at the same price as the general admission pricing offered in Thai which you cited in your OP. Here is the link to the ticket seller website again: https://www.trazy.com/experience/detail/teddy-bear-museum-pattaya-discount-ticket. The general admission charge advertised in Thai (in your OP) is 250 for adults and 150 for children. The general admission charge advertised in English (on the above ticket vendor's website) is 270 for adults and 210 for children. I am assuming that the ticket vendor's slightly higher pricing is because the ticket vendor includes a service charge.

 

The fact that pricing in English is available on line at the same price as in Thai undercuts your argument that dual pricing is occuring here. As I said, the reason I strongly suspect you jumped to the conclusion that dual pricing was occuring was because you mistakenly compared pricing in English (which included the special dance show) with pricing in Thai for general admission (which does not include the special dance show.)

 

Please compare the two examples from your own OP. The caption above the pricing in English says: "Special on Saturday - Sunday the museum will have a dance show led by Captain Teddy Bear and friends with dancers at 2:00, 3:00, and 4:00 PM in Fairytale Zone." The description in Thai of what the ticket includes reads:  "Teddy Bear Museum is open from 9:00 AM to 10 PM. We stop selling tickets at 8:30 PM. Ticket office opens every day except government holidays. In other words, there is every reason to believe this is just general admission pricing, and in any event, absolutely no mention of the special dance show is made.

 

 

[snowgard]

On 5/5/2019 at 3:03 PM, XenZen said:

i don't see the problem.  odds are the farang does have more disposable income.  don't you want to help Thailand???  Don't you feel bad they are poor?  Don't you appreciate the capitalism?  Don't you feel you were born into a better place with more options and more money?

 

200 baht.....  i've given away thousands for nothing in return.   maybe 15,000.   is it a lot?  no.  ok, there you go.

 

 

And the poor Thais visit the places with a Mercedes Benz or BMW because they are so poor!!!!

Poor Thais not have the money to visit this places.

[utalkin2me]

What do you guys say, for example, a wedding photographer gets a call. X services are $5000. He gets a call a few days later, X services (exactly the same services and locations) are now $6000 (let us just assume here because his schedule is booking up for the month and his policy is to raise rates). 

 

This stuff happens every single day. The clients don't get to see the pricing, but that is the only difference. Dual pricing is just a fact of life, and it seems like people just simply do not get it, or maybe fail to admit it. This stuff happens every day, to you, to me, to everyone. When it is based on whether you are Thai or Asian or not, it may be a tougher pill to swallow, but you still need to get over it imo.