........ or she infected him, how could you possibly tell which person came first?

Good point. Presumably that was his first blood test (or first in a long time). I don't know what blood tests were being made upon pregnant women/new Mother's in Thailand in 1993 and whether they would include HIV testing?

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26 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Good point. Presumably that was his first blood test (or first in a long time). I don't know what blood tests were being made upon pregnant women/new Mother's in Thailand in 1993 and whether they would include HIV testing?

HIV test for both parents is standard for pregnancy in 2012, but who can tell what was tested back then. 

16 hours ago, Kenny202 said:

The Thais simply do not get tested, same as they never service their vehicles. If it's not broken. There is no way your average Thai will pay 500-1000 baht for a HIV test

Here's a laugh if it wasn't so serious

 

I was in a bar in Pattaya there were a couple of people there in white medical type uniforms handing out medical certs to bargirls - they tested absolutely nothing and all the girls got a nice official looking cert showing they passed a medical check

 

Over the years here I have a close circle of friends here of say about 10 people - I know 3 of them have HIV - they are people who boasted routinely about all their unprotected antics and refused to get tested, it was no surprise to me when I learned of their diagnosis - their HIV diagnosis was discovered by chance during routine medical procedures or other situations were they wound up in hospital, there is no telling how long they were infected or how many others they infected - it is likely they don't know either - I believe HIV testing should be mandatory or at least those in high risk groups should take responsibility for themselves and others and get tested - I believe there are many out there right now that are HIV positive and don't know - they are the highest risk group spreading HIV

 

As I said above the most dangerous people are those that take part in risky sexual behavior and don't get routinely tested - they are the people that will spread HIV and risk their own health and the lives of others, based on what I know from these infected friends HIV must be rampant in bars around Pattaya 

 

Responsible people who get tested often and if found to be infected and get effective treatment are actually the lowest or no risk group - on effective treatment they not only live a mostly normal life but also cannot infect others, they protect themselves and others 

 

and for those out there that routinely participate with bar girls - here is food for thought

 

IMO a bar with say 10 girls - at least one of them will be HIV positive possibly more over time as they service their customers in rotation - something to think about as you scan round your favorite drinking spot for your next overnight session or ST  

A much older friend in 2000s who lived in BKK and another Asia country, I think he had it, self-medicated with booze and croaked in Indonesia. Saw him with his shirt off once, he was an emaciated rake. Great, great guy RIP.

 

Picking up the cancerous HPV and infecting a future female partner can be worse these days...easier to treat HIV now that STD cervical etc cancers. Younger generation get the 3 jabs now in many developed countries....usually femal but also male in some places. 

There is no way your average Thai will pay 500-1000 baht for a HIV test

Just as well the test is as low as 200 baht at Bangkok Red Cross, probably similar at govt hospitals

A much older friend in 2000s who lived in BKK and another Asia country, I think he had it, self-medicated with booze and croaked in Indonesia. Saw him with his shirt off once, he was an emaciated rake. Great, great guy RIP.
 
Picking up the cancerous HPV and infecting a future female partner can be worse these days...easier to treat HIV now that STD cervical etc cancers. Younger generation get the 3 jabs now in many developed countries....usually femal but also male in some places. 

If i was younger I'd get the HPV jabs. Problem in Thailand is the girls don't get it so puts them and us at risk

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

 

 

If i was younger I'd get the HPV jabs. Problem in Thailand is the girls don't get it so puts them and us at risk

 

they likely have absolutely no idea what it is or even the risks involved 

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Just as well the test is as low as 200 baht at Bangkok Red Cross, probably similar at govt hospitals

 

Free if you donate blood.

i knew 1 farang lived in Pattaya had HIV died a horrible death as i saw him waste away, he liked to play around with lady boys. knew of a couple of bar girls went back to their villages to die and i know an old lady, ex school director, retired, speak little English in her 60s try to ask her how she got the virus but it was like taking to a child, she has no idea how she got it.

On 5/15/2019 at 11:15 AM, Antonymous said:

I always like a story with a happy ending.

Excuse me while I wrench ....????

On 5/14/2019 at 9:56 PM, Kenny202 said:

I know someone who contracted it. Its much more prevalent than what you realise here, paricularly in the villages. Really though there is no reason to die from it anymore. The meds they have now practically reduce symptoms to zero and a normal life can be led. Thais get free meds, although often they dont adhere to them. They feel good right? Theyre not sick. Costs a farang I beleive around 10k thb a month for meds

Do those HIV tests at clinic actually test people accurately or is it another scam? 

 

2% of people in thai have it is high

lived in thailand full time since 1997, not one of my regular acquaintance has been diagnosed HIV positive that i can recall. 

few drug overdoses, few have gone off the rails, but i cant think of a single one with HIV.

 

 

On 5/19/2019 at 7:58 AM, ScotBkk said:

Excuse me while I wrench ....????

err, i suspect you mean retch.

15 minutes ago, DingDongLing said:

Do those HIV tests at clinic actually test people accurately or is it another scam? 

 

2% of people in thai have it is high

Nah, they take a blood sample , then throw it in the bin , make you wait an hour and then say that you are OK .

On 5/15/2019 at 9:56 AM, Kenny202 said:

I know someone who contracted it. Its much more prevalent than what you realise here, paricularly in the villages. Really though there is no reason to die from it anymore. The meds they have now practically reduce symptoms to zero and a normal life can be led. Thais get free meds, although often they dont adhere to them. They feel good right? Theyre not sick. Costs a farang I beleive around 10k thb a month for meds

My former GF's village in Khon Kaen alone has six HIV+ residents including a close relative of former GF.  Every month, a van picks them all up, takes them to a regional treatment center where they get a physical and their monthly supply of meds.  Every person in this group of six has been HIV+ for more than 10 years and yet all are clear of AIDS symptoms and lead relatively normal lives.   In this, the government is certainly doing something right.

 

12 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Nah, they take a blood sample , then throw it in the bin , make you wait an hour and then say that you are OK .

That is not even funny. The services are efficient and professional and provided easily and at a very low cost. The very idea that a medical professional would do that is incredibly insulting.

2 minutes ago, SoNowWhat said:

That is not even funny. The services are efficient and professional and provided easily and at a very low cost. The very idea that a medical professional would do that is incredibly insulting.

It was a sarcastic reply to dingdongs question 

On 5/16/2019 at 11:21 AM, smedly said:

Here's a laugh if it wasn't so serious

 

I was in a bar in Pattaya there were a couple of people there in white medical type uniforms handing out medical certs to bargirls - they tested absolutely nothing and all the girls got a nice official looking cert showing they passed a medical check

 

Over the years here I have a close circle of friends here of say about 10 people - I know 3 of them have HIV - they are people who boasted routinely about all their unprotected antics and refused to get tested, it was no surprise to me when I learned of their diagnosis - their HIV diagnosis was discovered by chance during routine medical procedures or other situations were they wound up in hospital, there is no telling how long they were infected or how many others they infected - it is likely they don't know either - I believe HIV testing should be mandatory or at least those in high risk groups should take responsibility for themselves and others and get tested - I believe there are many out there right now that are HIV positive and don't know - they are the highest risk group spreading HIV

 

As I said above the most dangerous people are those that take part in risky sexual behavior and don't get routinely tested - they are the people that will spread HIV and risk their own health and the lives of others, based on what I know from these infected friends HIV must be rampant in bars around Pattaya 

 

Responsible people who get tested often and if found to be infected and get effective treatment are actually the lowest or no risk group - on effective treatment they not only live a mostly normal life but also cannot infect others, they protect themselves and others 

 

and for those out there that routinely participate with bar girls - here is food for thought

 

IMO a bar with say 10 girls - at least one of them will be HIV positive possibly more over time as they service their customers in rotation - something to think about as you scan round your favorite drinking spot for your next overnight session or ST  

 

According to what I have read from Dr Hunter Handsfield, who is probably the world's oldest expert (40 plus years in the STD business), HIV prevalence is around 1 in 1000 in the average industrialized country for the average person and there actually isn't a higher prevalence found in the average sex worker than the average women.  By average sex worker, I mean escort, stripper, massage therapist (i.e. a relatively stable, employable person)  

 

The only documented prevalence increase is among sex workers who are working off the street.  It is 1 in 100 for them.  This is because they are often unstable in general, often drug addicts, and condoms are the last thing on their minds.

 

Not sure exactly how this translates to Thailand, although I have read text where he evaluates a person's risk after commercial sex in Thailand and he quotes the same figures regarding risk.  Perhaps there is not enough data to prove otherwise.  

 

Example, someone asks him about their risk after having unprotected vagina sex with a hooker.  He says, "This was a low risk exposure.  The odds she had HIV are probably 1 in a 1000. Multiply that by the odds of you getting infected from a single episode of vaginal sex, which is 1 in 1000 as well, and your overall risk is 1 in 1,000,000 (or 0.0000001%)." 

 

Even if he used the 1 in 100 prevalence for the riskiest hookers, it would bring the overall all risk to 1 in 100,000 for a single episode of vaginal sex.

 

He answers questions on an "ask an expert forum" so you can check that out.  Very credible.  He won an award for his work in HIV prevention. And being in the business 40 plus years, much of what we know now came from his life's work.

 

I am pretty sure your 1 in 10 figure is very inaccurate for a Thai bargirl, maybe in some parts of Africa possibly. 

 

There really is no need to scare monger.  You should really check out what the experts say to avoid unnecessary fear.

Unfortunately, I did see quite a few who were brought back to the village to die.

 

  One girl's mom didn't even touch, wash, or do anything for her daughter because she thought it was contagious.  

 

 Another girl, married to a Japanese guy, had to suffer a long, long time before the death took her pain.

 

These days there's medication and free for all Thais. No idea how foreigners are treated. 

     

It is a lot worse here than is commonly known. Very high rate amongst gays and LB. Reasonably easy for a woman to contract from a man if unprotected. Reasonably difficult for a man to contract from a woman. Very high likely hood in an infected person has anal sex with either man or woman. I have found nearly everyone here including sex workers very willing to have unprotected sex. Normal women in Thailand I think only ever been asked if I had a condom on a few occasions. Usually they're not even on contraception, just doesn't cross their minds. It's more than likely everyday you would bump into someone who is infected, whether they know it or not. Even friends. It's not something many people talk about. A real stigma amongst Thais, even some medical workers don't really have a clue. 

 

It's not a nice feeling seeing your pregnant Thai GF coming out of an uncomfortably long consultation at the local clinic, after three month mandatory HIV check ...in tears. 

5 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

It is a lot worse here than is commonly known. Very high rate amongst gays and LB. Reasonably easy for a woman to contract from a man if unprotected. Reasonably difficult for a man to contract from a woman. Very high likely hood in an infected person has anal sex with either man or woman. I have found nearly everyone here including sex workers very willing to have unprotected sex. Normal women in Thailand I think only ever been asked if I had a condom on a few occasions. Usually they're not even on contraception, just doesn't cross their minds.

 

It's not a nice feeling seeing your pregnant Thai GF coming out of an uncomfortably long consultation at the local clinic, after three month mandatory HIV check ...in tears. 

What about dads mandatory HIV check?

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What about dads mandatory HIV check?

Do you know if your wife or GF is infected, she is under no obligation to tell you? Medical staff will even hide it from you? You would think if you were the father of the child in the interest of everyone you would be notified

5 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Do you know if your wife or GF is infected, she is under no obligation to tell you? Medical staff will even hide it from you

I always take em and test em before I move them in, me too.

And when we had the baby, hospital tested us both.

You get a printed letter with the results, collect them together, I read them both, she reads them both.
 

Trust is neither offered nor required.

3 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

Not sure exactly how this translates to Thailand, although I have read text where he evaluates a person's risk after commercial sex in Thailand and he quotes the same figures regarding risk.  Perhaps there is not enough data to prove otherwise.  

sorry but unless he has done an in depth detailed study of the bar scene in somewhere like pattaya then he is not in a position to comment

 

I do have a problem with someone underestimating the risks especially without a solid foundation of evidence to back it up

 

I don't have an issue with someone overstating the risks 

On 5/15/2019 at 11:40 AM, scorecard said:

 I'm aware of a gay expat from OZ, got the HIV virus during his long stay working here. insisted on unprotected sex. Gave the HIV virus to his new naive totally inexperienced to his new very young lover, not a barboy, the young boy was a shop assistant in Central Silom, farang said I'll buy the toaster and more if you come home with me.  The young boy progressed to full blown aids quickly and the farang threw him out.  The boys work friends rented a small old pick up truck to take him home to Chiang Rai from Bkk (old pick up was the cheapest vehicle they could rent). Their work supervisor gave them money for gasoline. Boy died on the dirt floor of family house outside CR city within a few days.

 

Farang then progressed to full blown aids and continued to pick up boys on street corners etc. Bought a ticket to go home to OZ, evening before the flight he took another young street boy to his room, next morning sold everything in his room to other tenants then went to the airport with enough cash for the taxi fare, all he had in the world. He gave the proceeds of the clean-out sale to the street boy. Farang arrived in Brisbane, ambulance ordered by the airline waiting, dead within a few days. 

Some story that. 

24 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

Some story that. 

It is, an example of how fact is often more involved / more complex / more juicy than fiction.

 

That's not all, the farang flew to Townsville to his older sister who was living under total police protection / new name & identity etc., for supplying the names of mastermind drug traffickers in Melbourne to the federal police in Australia.

 

The next twist, she negotiated a supply of AIDS cocktails for the brother working in Bkk (at that time the cocktail was a new concept, available but incredibly expensive and not available on national health etc. The cocktail tabs were transported to Bkk by an unnamed source every month.

 

It all fell apart when the guy (now deceased) in Bkk tred to change the pick up point in Bkk, the address, contact details became confused and the monthly supply of cocktail went back to Australia which is why full blown AIDS quickly took over. 

 

Yep stranger than fiction. 

 

 

I know a guy who claim s he got HIV from a LB.

But, he also was active with BR street workers no condom so who knows.

He moved back to his home country after diagnosis.

Nice guy unfortunately  used very poor judgement.

 

My personal opinion is that there should be mandatory testing for everyone.  Get an ID card, license, Visa, arrested by cops, get insurance,whatever they should test.  But, I bet liberals would hate the concept.

I know a guy who claim s he got HIV from a LB.
But, he also was active with BR street workers no condom so who knows.
He moved back to his home country after diagnosis.
Nice guy unfortunately  used very poor judgement.

Probably was getting up the backside from the LB which is a massive risk

14 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

Unfortunately, I did see quite a few who were brought back to the village to die.

 

  One girl's mom didn't even touch, wash, or do anything for her daughter because she thought it was contagious.  

 

 Another girl, married to a Japanese guy, had to suffer a long, long time before the death took her pain.

 

These days there's medication and free for all Thais. No idea how foreigners are treated. 

     

No idea how foreigners are treated. 

 

ill give you one guess ?