Pattaya is Dead - Lowest Foreigner Visits This Winter

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, JayBird said:

19 hours ago, Leaver said:

Pattaya isn't going to move anywhere.  Pattaya will always be here, but it will change, has changed, and will continue to change. 
 
Eventually, Pattaya will not be the Pattaya that we knew in the past, and the Pattaya that we know today. 
 
As I have said before, check out the Cambodia Forum and see how the Chinese changed Sihanoukville.  Granted, it's an extreme example, and whilst there will not be casinos here anytime soon, Pattaya will change to cater for the new demographic of tourists.

More Indian restaurants?

More customers!!!

[SteveK]

Just looking around the usual hotel booking websites, there are some phenomenal discounts available for Pattaya accommodations. They must really be in trouble, on Agoda there are plenty of places offering over 70% discount.

Edited September 27, 2019 by SteveK

[madmen]

24 minutes ago, SteveK said:

Just looking around the usual hotel booking websites, there are some phenomenal discounts available for Pattaya accommodations. They must really be in trouble, on Agoda there are plenty of places offering over 70% discount.

link? I'm due to go there as a break from Bangkok right now and don't see no 70% discounts!!!

[Olmate]

6 minutes ago, madmen said:

link? I'm due to go there as a break from Bangkok right now and don't see no 70% discounts!!!

Anything decent 1k per nite still,how long you looking for

[ChipButty]

52 minutes ago, SteveK said:

Just looking around the usual hotel booking websites, there are some phenomenal discounts available for Pattaya accommodations. They must really be in trouble, on Agoda there are plenty of places offering over 70% discount.

My mate paid 400 Baht a night in Patong hotel and with a pool that was on agoda

[ChipButty]

27 minutes ago, madmen said:

link? I'm due to go there as a break from Bangkok right now and don't see no 70% discounts!!!

Get an apartment on agoda homes and look on Booking.com same company bye the way

[SteveK]

31 minutes ago, madmen said:

link? I'm due to go there as a break from Bangkok right now and don't see no 70% discounts!!!

Just go to Agoda.com and see for yourself, here are a few:

 

https://www.agoda.com/deeprom-pattaya-hotel/hotel/pattaya-th.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=-218&searchrequestid=e3e2bb50-5e10-4e3d-991a-eed90d842c1c&travellerType=1&tabbed=true

 

https://www.agoda.com/centre-point-hotel-pattaya/hotel/pattaya-th.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=-218&searchrequestid=896c80cc-25c0-4520-a439-c0c2657e3bbe&travellerType=1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

https://www.agoda.com/rooms-republic-pattaya/hotel/pattaya-th.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=-218&searchrequestid=89356e18-722a-4a01-b373-eccb59301d9c&travellerType=1&tabbed=true

[Olmate]

17 minutes ago, SteveK said:

Just go to Agoda.com and see for yourself, here are a few:

 

https://www.agoda.com/deeprom-pattaya-hotel/hotel/pattaya-th.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=-218&searchrequestid=e3e2bb50-5e10-4e3d-991a-eed90d842c1c&travellerType=1&tabbed=true

 

https://www.agoda.com/centre-point-hotel-pattaya/hotel/pattaya-th.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=-218&searchrequestid=896c80cc-25c0-4520-a439-c0c2657e3bbe&travellerType=1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

https://www.agoda.com/rooms-republic-pattaya/hotel/pattaya-th.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=-218&searchrequestid=89356e18-722a-4a01-b373-eccb59301d9c&travellerType=1&tabbed=true

Despite the  BS discount feature your still looking 1k per nite! That’s rack rate they are discounting ,not real and a come on from Agoda.

[brucec64]

Yes packed.
As is the Terminal 21 food court had to wait for a seat the other day.

All the restaurants serving dishes more than 39bht are empty.

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[shdmn]

3 hours ago, SteveK said:

Just looking around the usual hotel booking websites, there are some phenomenal discounts available for Pattaya accommodations. They must really be in trouble, on Agoda there are plenty of places offering over 70% discount.

Discounts during low season.  Yea, quite unprecedented...

[Peterw42]

3 hours ago, SteveK said:

Just looking around the usual hotel booking websites, there are some phenomenal discounts available for Pattaya accommodations. They must really be in trouble, on Agoda there are plenty of places offering over 70% discount.

You do realise they are not real discounts right ? The price never was 70% more.

 

Here is a listing for an 80% discount in Singapore, they must be in trouble to.

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/copthorne-king-s-hotel/hotel/singapore-sg.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=61ccf176-fd30-4f07-88de-d70fee52d6c4&travellerType=-1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

Jakarta 80% discount

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/red-planet-jakarta-pasar-baru/hotel/jakarta-id.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=c60aa387-9b16-49d7-adb8-46be9132491c&travellerType=1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

Manila 79% off

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/spaces-by-eco-hotel-makati/hotel/manila-ph.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=45a88886-6190-4039-8154-f8c3b0b5f07c&travellerType=1&tspTypes=9&tabbed=true

Edited September 28, 2019 by Peterw42

[shdmn]

25 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

All the restaurants serving dishes more than 39bht are empty.

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Nonsense!  You must not even be in Thailand or don't go to that mall and are just talking out of certain orifices.  A lot of restaurants are busy for lunch/dinner times and very busy on weekends.  That whole mall can be busy at times.  Even fairly busy early weekdays sometimes.  Tourists and Thais.  Some restaurants are struggling just as you would find in any other mall in Thailand including Central.

 

Speaking of Central, that place is definitely less busy.  Some of that might be because the old food court is closed for renovations and that new Food Park food court is a total rip off.  Most of the Russians seem to be going to T21 now.

 

It's a nice change as traffic doesn't back up around Central as badly as it used to and the mall is not as annoyingly busy.  So everything is more spread out now which makes the town seem less busy which is kind of nice.

Edited September 28, 2019 by shdmn

[Leaver]

13 hours ago, JayBird said:

On 9/27/2019 at 1:32 PM, Leaver said:

Pattaya isn't going to move anywhere.  Pattaya will always be here, but it will change, has changed, and will continue to change. 
 
Eventually, Pattaya will not be the Pattaya that we knew in the past, and the Pattaya that we know today. 
 
As I have said before, check out the Cambodia Forum and see how the Chinese changed Sihanoukville.  Granted, it's an extreme example, and whilst there will not be casinos here anytime soon, Pattaya will change to cater for the new demographic of tourists.

More Indian restaurants?

Who knows, but we can already see a lot of new Indian restaurants here now.

 

Whatever happens, it will not be targeting western tourists and expats. 

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, shdmn said:

Nonsense!  You must not even be in Thailand or don't go to that mall and are just talking out of certain orifices.  A lot of restaurants are busy for lunch/dinner times and very busy on weekends.  That whole mall can be busy at times.  Even fairly busy early weekdays sometimes.  Tourists and Thais.  Some restaurants are struggling just as you would find in any other mall in Thailand including Central.

 

Speaking of Central, that place is definitely less busy.  Some of that might be because the old food court is closed for renovations and that new Food Park food court is a total rip off.  Most of the Russians seem to be going to T21 now.

 

It's a nice change as traffic doesn't back up around Central as badly as it used to and the mall is not as annoyingly busy.  So everything is more spread out now which makes the town seem less busy which is kind of nice.

What rubbish.

 

Ok, so a mall is busy, but who's buying anything????  They are in there having a look around, and buying cheap eats in the food court.

 

It's like Walking Street.  The street itself is busy, but no one is in any bars spending. 

 

 

[Leaver]

5 hours ago, ChipButty said:

My mate paid 400 Baht a night in Patong hotel and with a pool that was on agoda

Like I said, a race to the bottom. 

[madmen]

12 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

You do realise they are not real discounts right ? The price never was 70% more.

 

Here is a listing for an 80% discount in Singapore, they must be in trouble to.

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/copthorne-king-s-hotel/hotel/singapore-sg.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=61ccf176-fd30-4f07-88de-d70fee52d6c4&travellerType=-1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

Jakarta 80% discount

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/red-planet-jakarta-pasar-baru/hotel/jakarta-id.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=c60aa387-9b16-49d7-adb8-46be9132491c&travellerType=1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

Manila 79% off

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/spaces-by-eco-hotel-makati/hotel/manila-ph.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=45a88886-6190-4039-8154-f8c3b0b5f07c&travellerType=1&tspTypes=9&tabbed=true

How nieve ,hotels selling for$100 a night and that's after a 80 % discount a sucker born every minute !!!

Edited September 28, 2019 by madmen

[Olmate]

9 hours ago, madmen said:

How nieve ,hotels selling for$100 a night and that's after a 80 % discount a sucker born every minute !!!

Try for 80% off in Perth, super expensive rooms there.

[Leaver]

23 hours ago, shdmn said:

Discounts during low season.  Yea, quite unprecedented...

Due to the decline of western tourists coming here now, the steady, and year round, of Chinese and Indians will "smooth out" the traditional high / low season numbers. 

 

Over time, there will be no low or high season, just the steady and constant flow of cheap Chinese and Indian package holiday tourists. 

 

High season will become a blip on the revenue graph here in the future.

[EricTh]

 

We have another similar thread for Chiang Mai. Do compare Pattaya with Chiang Mai

 

 

[morrobay]

17 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Due to the decline of western tourists coming here now, the steady, and year round, of Chinese and Indians will "smooth out" the traditional high / low season numbers. 

 

Over time, there will be no low or high season, just the steady and constant flow of cheap Chinese and Indian package holiday tourists. 

 

High season will become a blip on the revenue graph here in the future.

Indeed, I would only alter the last paragraph : This "high season " will be a blip on the revenue graph. And for so many reasons besides the Pattaya beach construction work/disaster through the winter months. 

[Leaver]

24 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Indeed, I would only alter the last paragraph : This "high season " will be a blip on the revenue graph. And for so many reasons besides the Pattaya beach construction work/disaster through the winter months. 

In my opinion, the "blip" with last more than one high season.  

[Leaver]

30 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

We have another similar thread for Chiang Mai. Do compare Pattaya with Chiang Mai

 

 

The packaged dried fruit section does well in the supermarkets here.  ????

[shdmn]

On 9/27/2019 at 7:47 PM, Peterw42 said:

You do realise they are not real discounts right ? The price never was 70% more.

 

Here is a listing for an 80% discount in Singapore, they must be in trouble to.

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/copthorne-king-s-hotel/hotel/singapore-sg.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=61ccf176-fd30-4f07-88de-d70fee52d6c4&travellerType=-1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

Jakarta 80% discount

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/red-planet-jakarta-pasar-baru/hotel/jakarta-id.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=c60aa387-9b16-49d7-adb8-46be9132491c&travellerType=1&tspTypes=7&tabbed=true

 

Manila 79% off

 

https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/spaces-by-eco-hotel-makati/hotel/manila-ph.html?checkin=2019-12-19&los=1&adults=2&rooms=1&cid=1826369&tag=80a899de-4ab0-ee18-2d94-a5e2208d85eb&searchrequestid=45a88886-6190-4039-8154-f8c3b0b5f07c&travellerType=1&tspTypes=9&tabbed=true

BREAKING:  Singapore, Jakarta, and Manila are doomed!  Doomed I tell ya!!!

Edited September 29, 2019 by shdmn

[shdmn]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Due to the decline of western tourists coming here now, the steady, and year round, of Chinese and Indians will "smooth out" the traditional high / low season numbers. 

 

Over time, there will be no low or high season, just the steady and constant flow of cheap Chinese and Indian package holiday tourists. 

 

High season will become a blip on the revenue graph here in the future.

You heard it here first folks.  Leaver the prophet has spoken.  

[Leaver]

15 minutes ago, shdmn said:

You heard it here first folks.  Leaver the prophet has spoken.  

This will be the second time I ask you.  What's your prediction for Pattaya, say 5 years from now?

 

Perhaps you have been in Thailand too long, and do as most Thai's, can only think for today.  ????

[shdmn]

25 minutes ago, Leaver said:

This will be the second time I ask you.  What's your prediction for Pattaya, say 5 years from now?

 

Perhaps you have been in Thailand too long, and do as most Thai's, can only think for today.  ????

Not that you will listen but Pattaya will keep growing and the tourists will keep coming.  For every restaurant, bar, hotel that goes out of business, 2 more will go up to take their place.  The same as has been happening since the 1970's.  About as long as people have been making these doom and gloom predictions which never come true. 

 

Things do go up and down in the short term.  There was the 1997 Asian crash which hit Thailand pretty hard.  But obviously it has recovered.  If/when there is another crash it will eventually recover again, but that's a whole other discussion.

 

And no, Pattaya is not getting more low end.  I already pointed out why but you just tried to move the goal posts. That's just what people like you do to try 'win' your silly arguments based on facts you just pull out your sphincter.

 

That's my prediction.  You happy now?  Rhetorical.  Of course you're not.  You will not be happy unless everyone else is miserable, presumably just like you.  

Edited September 29, 2019 by shdmn

[RoadWarrior371]

31 minutes ago, shdmn said:

BREAKING:  Singapore, Jakarta, and Manila are doomed!  Doomed I tell ya!!!

LOL.  I am sure they have their own forums, and their own bar stool economists predicting the end of the world at every economic downturn. 

[WaveHunter]

I thought it was just my imagination!  I visited Pattaya (Jomtien) last year during Chiang Mai's smoky season and everything was very lively and there was a real nice vibe; lots of people on the beaches, friendly Thai merchants and restaurants, etc... .  So I came back this year to spend Smoky Season here and the place just seems dead, noticeably more expensive and unfriendly (like I'm just a walking ATM machine). 

 

I'm living in Pratumnak this year because it was much more laid back than Jomtien, quiet and less touristy but now everywhere I look I see massive new high rise condos being built.  Three of them within a 5 minute walk of where I live , off Soi 5 near Sugar Beach, and are going to be over 20 stories high!  Pretty soon Pratumnak is going to be indistinguishable from downtown Pattaya.  Prices are climbing higher and higher for everything.

 

And I totally agree with the poster who said that Thai Immigration has taken a new stance that's making it very difficult for all to even be here (tourists and long stay included). They've always been difficult to deal with but now they have taken a decidedly worse turn

 

All kind of sad really.  

Edited September 29, 2019 by WaveHunter

[Leaver]

3 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Not that you will listen but Pattaya will keep growing and the tourists will keep coming.  The same as has been happening since the 1970's.  About as long as people have been making these ridiculous doom and gloom predictions which never come true.

 

That's my prediction.  You happy now?  Rhetorical.  Of course you're not.  You will not be happy unless everyone else is miserable, presumably just like you.  

You can ease off the personal attacks on me, they are wasted.  Water off a ducks back.

 

I have never said Pattaya will disappear into a hole in the ground. 

 

I have said, with the majority of tourists to Pattaya now being Chinese and Indians, if this continues, Pattaya will change to cater for them, rather than to continue to cater for western tourists, who are in decline.   

 

So, will Pattaya keep growing, probably. 

 

Will Pattaya make the same amount of revenue with this tourist demographic, probably not. 

 

Will some / many businesses catering for westerners close in the future, I think yes.

 

The growth you talk about isn't coming from those with money to spend.  It's coming for "zero baht tourism." 

[Leaver]

3 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

I thought it was just my imagination!  I visited Pattaya (Jomtien) last year during Chiang Mai's smoky season and everything was very lively and there was a real nice vibe; lots of people on the beaches, friendly Thai merchants and restaurants, etc... .  So I came back this year to spend Smoky Season here and the place just seems dead, noticeably more expensive and unfriendly (like I'm just a walking ATM machine) and yet everywhere I look I see massive new high rise condos being built.  Prices are climbing higher and higher for everything.  I totally agree with the poster who said that Thai Immigration has taken a new stance that's making it very difficult for all to even be here (tourists and long stay included).  Kind of sad.  

I have no problem with Thai immigration getting rid of younger people living here on tourist visas, but working illegally.

 

However, to get rid of oil and gas rotation workers, as well as the miners, and snowbirds from Europe, who want 4 month here, not 3 months, without having to tie up their money here, was just crazy.